Did you forget to flip the switch or does this DLC have NO story content?

but a great comic!

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Originally Posted by Umfafa

I don't know if I'm buying that Crasher. They knew they had no content to release, but pumped it anyway.

They knew that we were waiting for a sizeable amount of content for DLC3, but copped out with a "DLC4" excuse instead. And only, after we noticed there was no damn content in it.

Reminds me of a distasteful car salesman at a used car lot that hasn't made any sales this month...and it's the 29th. This entire DLC took how much effort?

I'm thinking 2-3 days, for one dev. Tops, 25 hours total. Absolutely unbelievable, even keeping in mind what we've seen as "content" previously.

Honestly, I can't believe I see anyone defending this attempt at a "DLC".

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Come on, Fufu.
If this game tubes, who you gonna find to scrape you off the pavement in the next one?

At this point, I've lost track of enuff fun guys, how would I find half of the rest of you some place else?

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Originally Posted by Littleweasel

i'm thinking that also,...dlc3 will be doable by everyone ....

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No,no, like DLC1 the folks that pay get some cash shop crap, they would never have bought and is basically a joke to sell, instead of the actual story content they thought they were funding.

par for course it seems.

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Originally Posted by crasher

Come on, Fufu.
If this game tubes, who you gonna find to scrape you off the pavement in the next one?

At this point, I've lost track of enuff fun guys, how would I find half of the rest of you some place else?

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Yep....I know. That's why I has a sad now.

This game takes up a huge amount of my computer's day. It's Alt+Tab'bed most of the time, but Defiance is there as a place to burn a half hour while I'm waiting for a customer response....or word from a supplier.

I'm playing DayZ now. The standalone one. My clan has an ARMA server set up, but I've already bought the standalone.

Wouldn't have an issue playing with you there. I've gotten my pants stolen so many times, it's really starting to piss me off. Could use someone in the treeline to help me take care of these pants stealing gangbangers. There's like 5 of them. :P

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Originally Posted by Beck

... openly stated by Trick but I will say thank you none the less because he was open and honest with his statement and that is what we have asked for. We got it, we don't like the answer but let's at least appreciate we got one which is uncharacteristic for these forums...

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Second. Thanks for being honest and straight with us Trick. Holds off far more displeasure over silence.

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Originally Posted by TrickDempsey

Back in September, when this was posted, we were in production on Arkbreaker and in pre-production for 3 more DLCs. At the time, DLC 3 was going to be our first story update, DLC 4 was going to be more mechanically driven, and (no spoilers on DLC 5… yet!) Many of the features of Arkbreaker took longer than expected and required the same resources as our story update. As such, DLC 4, which soon became “7th Legion” moved ahead of DLC 3.

Strangely, this numbering will still be apparent in the audio files for the story update, as all of them will still be tagged for DLC 3. Welcome to game development.

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So how do we get reimbursed for our $10 we paid on this part of the Season passes, not trying to be outright rude here but Game development issues are not the customers fault. If the DLC holds very little Downloaded content what exactly does our money get us?

I defend Trion as much as i can, but this is pretty disgusting to say thats how game development works after we've paid for very little content, and from using other companies i'm sorry to say it's not how game development works, this is just pretty poor.

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Originally Posted by TrickDempsey

There are neither missions nor side missions in the 7th Legion DLC. Incursions occur more frequently with higher populations as high populations complete dynamic events more rapidly. That said, we're looking into increasing their frequency so that more players are certain to encounter them.

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So you are saying you increased content we have already played a bit so we can play it all until DLC3 (DLC4) drops, you do understand its all been played to death over the past year, there is only so much repetitive content a person can deal with.. and again what exactly are we as customers paying for in this Downloadable content addition?

Not trying to be rude, just apprehensive..and a little angry.

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Originally Posted by Nefarious

Nope to both of ya. Its millions.:cool:

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They aren't counting sockpuppet alts ;)
(yes, this is total jest. I think you are nothing more than the optimist you play on TV.)

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Originally Posted by tabularasa

So this being a DLC, what exactly is the PAID portion of this (barely)DLC and what is the FREE portion?

I mean, a chat system, a storyless faction, 4 reskinned weapons, some new virtual clothing, and incursions; all this seems to be more in the Free column. So what exactly is the paid for content or How do you sell a minor patch...sorry, a DLC with no content?

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Pointless cash shop crap none with an ounce (sorry EU folk just read dram) of sense would buy. Just like DLC1.
Do I feel cheated? Not in the slightest. Bought season on faith just like game. Game was worth every penny of the presale I paid. Management, not so much.
DLC, foreknown would have bought 2, not 1 and strongly looking like not 3.

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Originally Posted by Zombie Stark

I did learn a valuable lesson from all this though. I will never again invest in season pass unless I'm absolutely sure that I'm going to get content worth the price I pay. Also, Defiance is my first and last Trion game.

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As have i, i'll be much more careful when i buy season passes from now on..

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Originally Posted by Amack

Dammit! Why did you have to show up Crasher??

I jest. You are right as usual my friend, on pretty much every accord.
I am more worried about baby steps at this point.

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I'd be more worried about the mass exodus of populations when players realize they are getting nothing new in the DLC. Why stay for yet more recycled content we've done over and over and paying $10 for it...

We are a small part of the community on the forum

With over 5,600 views and over 200 replies at the time of me writing this, I am more and more sure that I and others have made the right decision by posting posts such as the following and meaning them:

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Originally Posted by Ixlee

I stopped playing Defiance a while back due to boredom, and a growing lack of faith in Trion. I figured I wouldn't use the word quit until I had seen what they were offering for DLC 3. Well, my faith meter for Trion is below zero now. I am done. I quit. I Hope to see all the people that I enjoyed playing with in much better games in the near future :)

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Once more and more people come to the same conclusion that myself and others already have, maybe Trion will finally better their game. I doubt it, but even if they do I will never know since it is too late for me. In our future gaming experiences hopefully we all learn from our Defiance experience and do not allow other gaming companies to treat us the way Trion has. Happy future gaming to all :)

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Originally Posted by Ixlee

With over 5,600 views and over 200 replies at the time of me writing this, I am more and more sure that I and others have made the right decision by posting posts such as the following and meaning them:



Once more and more people come to the same conclusion that myself and others already have, maybe Trion will finally better their game. I doubt it, but even if they do I will never know since it is too late for me. In our future gaming experiences hopefully we all learn from our Defiance experience and do not allow other gaming companies to treat us the way Trion has. Happy future gaming to all :)

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No they wont "better" it, it will just close down, due to lack of funds and players..

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Originally Posted by DanteYoda

I'd be more worried about the mass exodus of populations when players realize they are getting nothing new in the DLC. Why stay for yet more recycled content we've done over and over and paying $10 for it...

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Nice try Yoda! You are just quoting someone from the past 2 dlcs!

Wow. This thread morphed from a "lack of content dlc" thread into, yet another "Defiance is dying/dead" thread. Wahoo!

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Originally Posted by rebtattoo

Wow. This thread morphed from a "lack of content dlc" thread into, yet another "Defiance is dying/dead" thread. Wahoo!

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really?

I thought it was more a civil discourse on our collective disappointment of the future "content", with a side of extra snarkiness.

hmmmph, maybe you are right....then again....

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

Must be all a part of that "PC Master Race" rhetoric that I keep hearing about. Makes me glad to be in the "Console Peasant Race" for a change. ;)

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Not intentional. My first comp was a game console; back when there was a dozen or so lol. At one time I had both. But it got to the point it just wasn't cost effective for me and I chose comp. I do digital art for fun, and a the time MMOs where strictly on PC.
Don't get me wrong, I do mis Resident evil, silent hill, and most of all Gran Tourismo :(
But I can't use Carrara on a PS3 ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psf880dfa2.jpg

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Originally Posted by rebtattoo

Wow. This thread morphed from a "lack of content dlc" thread into, yet another "Defiance is dying/dead" thread. Wahoo!

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Ya, and there I thought I was going to get a good argument out of Amack :(

I'm of the opinion if someone had come on and explained what was what a week ago when they started to create the void, it would have defused this explosive situation. Yes people would have been upset, but more behind you for coming clean in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Umfafa

Yep....I know. That's why I has a sad now.

This game takes up a huge amount of my computer's day. It's Alt+Tab'bed most of the time, but Defiance is there as a place to burn a half hour while I'm waiting for a customer response....or word from a supplier.

I'm playing DayZ now. The standalone one. My clan has an ARMA server set up, but I've already bought the standalone.

Wouldn't have an issue playing with you there. I've gotten my pants stolen so many times, it's really starting to piss me off. Could use someone in the treeline to help me take care of these pants stealing gangbangers. There's like 5 of them. :P

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Some of the guys on ARF are playing RUST.
I was always an FPS guy, but since playing this TPS game, FPS looks weird.
I have to admit, I'm not too excited about Destiny, yet. Maybe not at all.

I wish the guys that killed STALKER II would get their collective shtako.... uhm... collected.

Until then, I'm hanging in here, waiting on Trick to wow me.
I remain unreasonably reservedly optimistic.

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Originally Posted by crasher

I remain unreasonably reservedly optimistic.

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You have such a way with words... lol.

I think Trick is told when he can have more manpower and not the other way around, but hey I could be wrong.

Wow, I just logged on today after being gone sense month 2. I've been reading your posts and I find them............interesting.

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Originally Posted by TrickDempsey

Back in September, when this was posted, we were in production on Arkbreaker and in pre-production for 3 more DLCs. At the time, DLC 3 was going to be our first story update, DLC 4 was going to be more mechanically driven, and (no spoilers on DLC 5… yet!) Many of the features of Arkbreaker took longer than expected and required the same resources as our story update. As such, DLC 4, which soon became “7th Legion” moved ahead of DLC 3.

Strangely, this numbering will still be apparent in the audio files for the story update, as all of them will still be tagged for DLC 3. Welcome to game development.

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I don't play anymore ,but I love coming here for a good laugh. You guys should all be pissed, being ripped off so brazenly.

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Originally Posted by TrickDempsey

Back in September, when this was posted, we were in production on Arkbreaker and in pre-production for 3 more DLCs. At the time, DLC 3 was going to be our first story update, DLC 4 was going to be more mechanically driven, and (no spoilers on DLC 5… yet!) Many of the features of Arkbreaker took longer than expected and required the same resources as our story update. As such, DLC 4, which soon became “7th Legion” moved ahead of DLC 3.

Strangely, this numbering will still be apparent in the audio files for the story update, as all of them will still be tagged for DLC 3. Welcome to game development.

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So we are still in beta?

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Originally Posted by crasher

I remain unreasonably reservedly optimistic.

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I'm remaining reasonably unreservedly pessimistic for the time being.

I'm just disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

I'm just disappointed.

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Technically, so am I, but that didn't play off of Crasher's post nearly as well. :D

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Originally Posted by TrickDempsey

There are neither missions nor side missions in the 7th Legion DLC. Incursions occur more frequently with higher populations as high populations complete dynamic events more rapidly. That said, we're looking into increasing their frequency so that more players are certain to encounter them.

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so how is this dlc

Edit.....
Never mind

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Originally Posted by crasher

Some of the guys on ARF are playing RUST.
I was always an FPS guy, but since playing this TPS game, FPS looks weird.
I have to admit, I'm not too excited about Destiny, yet. Maybe not at all.

I wish the guys that killed STALKER II would get their collective shtako.... uhm... collected.

Until then, I'm hanging in here, waiting on Trick to wow me.
I remain unreasonably reservedly optimistic.

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I have the same problem as you. I used to dislike TPS games, but after playing Defiance for a while, FPS feel a little off. I keep wishing I could roll and look around walls. There's a F2P TPS called Loadout coming out tomorrow, it's purely PvP but it looks like it could offer some decent fun.

Some people expect too much from DLC....Or I expect too little.

lol
Seriously, some DLC in other games is just a costume set. So actually getting a new "game mode" even if it's a mix of stuff already in the game is more than some DLC I've seen.

Don't get me wrong though, of the 3 DLC for this game, DLC3 is the worst one, which surprised me because I thought DLC1 would be the worst. lol
Unless they ever get co-op arena in the game.
....And let everyone do it (but only DLC owners get the rep)

Promised DLC1 is still broken with no co op arenas. (Like anyone does the arenas anyway).

Promised DLC2 is broken with warmaster loot tables.

Promised DLC3 is broken because DLC2 was too hard and they had to bring out DLC4 instead.

When is enough powschtako? Seriously. (only using game terms because ******** is censored)

I don't get something. Are they saving the story DLC for DLC4?

Edit: Nevermind.

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Originally Posted by Jet1337

I don't get something. Are they saving the story DLC for DLC4?

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Trick was quoted saying that DLC3 was going to be story oriented.
However, when DLC3 when live on the alpha that clearly wasn't the case.
Trick then later today or yesterday stated that DLC3 WAS suppose to be story oriented but it was taking longer than planned and they switched DLC4 with DLC3.
So what we are getting now was suppose to be DLC4.

Some people are upset, so more than others, some reasons valid or not.

I personally am disappointed, but not mad.
Though telling us the DLCs were switched BEFORE the alpha went live would've probably helped a lot.

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Originally Posted by Amack

Nice try Yoda! You are just quoting someone from the past 2 dlcs!

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Those last two DLC's had content, and look how dead the servers are most days, this DLC has really nothing (not even sure its a DLC honestly) so will whats left of the populations continue to rinse repeat for what another 3-4 months?

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Originally Posted by DanteYoda

Those last two DLC's had content, and look how dead the servers are most days, this DLC has really nothing (not even sure its a DLC honestly) so will whats left of the populations continue to rinse repeat for what another 3-4 months?

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I hear ya. I'm just not entirely positive you know what you're talking about.
(Never thought I'd hear myself say that to Yoda)
I stay logged in quite often, sometimes, just to watch my friends list fluctuate from hour to hour.
Population is sustaining itself currently, some people will never leave, no matter how bad the game gets.
There was a drop off recently, and that is most likely what the un-announced weekend boosts were about. Many of those who left are still watching, I know this. Waiting to see how Trion responds in the new year. They may yet return.

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Originally Posted by Amack

I hear ya. I'm just not entirely positive you know what you're talking about.
(Never thought I'd hear myself say that to Yoda)
I stay logged in quite often, sometimes, just to watch my friends list fluctuate from hour to hour.
Population is sustaining itself currently, some people will never leave, no matter how bad the game gets.
There was a drop off recently, and that is most likely what the un-announced weekend boosts were about. Many of those who left are still watching, I know this. Waiting to see how Trion responds in the new year. They may yet return.

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Time will tell.

Even if it's DLC 4, it's still the badest DLC ever made.

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Originally Posted by Zigo Sid

Even if it's DLC 4, it's still the badest DLC ever made.

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Nope horse armor is still worse!

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

Nope horse armor is still worse!

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At least horse armor was something new.

Yeah but this was "only" (it's too much already) 2,39€ and we knew what we were buying.

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

At least horse armor was something new.

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A baconized car would be new as well, but does that really make it right?

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

A baconized car would be new as well, but does that really make it right?

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Sounds like Saints Row 4 DLC...