People need to remember that Defiance is TRANSMEDIA

Yes, it is rumored, or confirmed, or misdirectionally confirmed to throw us off, that the DLC has no missions in it. I have seen talk of people complaining about their being no real story behind the DLC, yet these people simply do not remember that Defiance lore is transmedia - we have the show, this site and various others that put out information from the Defiance universe.

Don't get me wrong, it sucks if its true that we get no new mission, of course it does, but complaining about a lack of story is simply wrong.

No, it's my prerogative.

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Originally Posted by Escyos

Yes, it is rumored, or confirmed, or misdirectionally confirmed to throw us off, that the DLC has no missions in it. I have seen talk of people complaining about their being no real story behind the DLC, yet these people simply do not remember that Defiance lore is transmedia - we have the show, this site and various others that put out information from the Defiance universe.

Don't get me wrong, it sucks if its true that we get no new mission, of course it does, but complaining about a lack of story is simply wrong.

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Apologetics (from Greek ἀπολογία, "speaking in defense") is the discipline of defending a position (often religious) through the systematic use of information.

See also: Denialism

Darn you TalynOne...

This was going to be one of the threads I stay out of... but look what you've gone and done now by making me laugh.

Transmedia? You mean they have bewbs and a weener?

I want no part of that.

"Transmedia" is a marketing term.
It literally means nothing.

Also if it was on multiple medias, they could come out with novels, graphic novels and other stuff. It's more bi-media if anything.

If it sounds made up. Assume it is.

Heck, Canada's wonderland is getting a new ride. On their website, they call it "4D" because they do stuff like blow wind at you when watching a 3D thing.
...Unless it travels through time or is multi-dimensional, it's not 4D. Marketing term is marketing.

Transmedia is made up, don't have any expectations when you hear it.

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Originally Posted by hardy83

"Transmedia" is a marketing term.
It literally means nothing.

Also if it was on multiple medias, they could come out with novels, graphic novels and other stuff. It's more bi-media if anything.

If it sounds made up. Assume it is.

Heck, Canada's wonderland is getting a new ride. On their website, they call it "4D" because they do stuff like blow wind at you when watching a 3D thing.
...Unless it travels through time or is multi-dimensional, it's not 4D. Marketing term is marketing.

Transmedia is made up, don't have any expectations when you hear it.

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Technically EVERYTHING is made up. :D

Also it is not bi-media because stuff was released on facebook, twitter, tumblr, this site and various others. There is videos, music, some toys and collectables, books and more.

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Originally Posted by Umfafa

Transmedia? You mean they have bewbs and a weener?

I want no part of that.

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It's okay... they meant Bi-media, not Trans-media.

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Originally Posted by Escyos

Yes, it is rumored, or confirmed, or misdirectionally confirmed to throw us off, that the DLC has no missions in it. I have seen talk of people complaining about their being no real story behind the DLC, yet these people simply do not remember that Defiance lore is transmedia - we have the show, this site and various others that put out information from the Defiance universe.

Don't get me wrong, it sucks if its true that we get no new mission, of course it does, but complaining about a lack of story is simply wrong.

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Mhmm. And how did that PR marketing ploy work out for them so far?

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Originally Posted by Escyos

Yes, it is rumored, or confirmed, or misdirectionally confirmed to throw us off, that the DLC has no missions in it. I have seen talk of people complaining about their being no real story behind the DLC, yet these people simply do not remember that Defiance lore is transmedia - we have the show, this site and various others that put out information from the Defiance universe.

Don't get me wrong, it sucks if its true that we get no new mission, of course it does, but complaining about a lack of story is simply wrong.

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I paid for the DLC (silly me) i didn't pay for the show or the rest..

I honestly don't see what the revelation is here. Of course Defiance is a transmedia property.

DLC 3 is still an embarrassment to Trion, transmedia or no.

And DLC 3 has no story content. Ergo, no story. It doesn't exist until they make it, and a little blurb on the webpage undermines the raison d'etre for the game.

No story, no npc, no data recorders. Only a vendor truck from nowhere.

And how exactly does the young lovebirds in a town miles away story enrich my gaming expierience? Or how does any other part of the TV show?
If anything it has been detrimental: the infected were a great adddition to the game. It could have been handled better in my opinion, but they were fun and build up to something big in the show. And then we got some of the most lackluster episodes - downright disapointing.

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Originally Posted by melkathi

And how exactly does the young lovebirds in a town miles away story enrich my gaming expierience? Or how does any other part of the TV show?
If anything it has been detrimental: the infected were a great adddition to the game. It could have been handled better in my opinion, but they were fun and build up to something big in the show. And then we got some of the most lackluster episodes - downright disapointing.

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Did I say anything about enriching your gaming experience? No I did not.

I was talking about the overall story and how people are expecting the game to put out all of the story, forgetting that Defiance is transmedia. The game can only put out so much story and expecting it to do it all is insane.

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Originally Posted by DanteYoda

I paid for the DLC (silly me) i didn't pay for the show or the rest..

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The show and the game are standalone products, you shouldn't have to watch and play to understand the story. For something the player has paid for the game should contain the story and reason for changes, the blog story doesn't count.

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Originally Posted by Etaew

The show and the game are standalone products, you shouldn't have to watch and play to understand the story. For something the player has paid for the game should contain the story and reason for changes, the blog story doesn't count.

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No one ever said you have to watch the show to get the story. I said that the show, and other sources, provide a lot of story themselves and that the game itself can only do so much. The DLC may set up future events for both the game and the show, we don't know the long term plan.

That's assuming there is a long term plan.
In my little brain, this dlc argues strongly against that idea.
Seems more like a pot under a leaky roof to me.

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

That's assuming there is a long term plan.

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Yes, I'm sure that a game that has almost weekly content during the run of a TV show and DLC's during the breaks doesn't have a long term plan....

Almost weekly content?
What game were you playing?

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

Almost weekly content?
What game were you playing?

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Do you misunderstand the word "almost"?

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

That's assuming there is a long term plan.
In my little brain, this dlc argues strongly against that idea.
Seems more like a colander under a leaky roof to me.

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Fixed that pesky typo for you. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Escyos

Do you misunderstand the word "almost"?

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Almost monthly might work if you were being generous.
Almost weekly seems delusional.

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Originally Posted by Valethar

Fixed that pesky typo for you. :cool:

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Okay that was funny.

I was very satisfied with the episodic content. True, some "content" like Most Wanted kill 100 players in PvP did not truly qualify to be called content, but overal, the frequency and quality were at a level I enjoyed.
What I would have expected of DLC is to give non-purchasers the same quality and quantity of a proper bit of episodic content and those who purchased it something more. Or the other way round.
Arkbreaker is the best way to illustrate it for me:
I would have liked Volge sieges and emergencies to be the free content of a Volge DLC, with a proper storyline (something juat slightly longer than the Arkbreaker mission) for those who own the DLC to tie it all together. I like the parts leading up to the final arkbreaker mission. Now I would have prefered that final mission to have had a length closer to that of the final afflicted instance. Instead of being just an introduction to Volge weapons I would have prefered it to be a sneak peak at the Warmaster: the Arkhunter delves deeper into the Arkbreak on their own, is confronted with the Warmaster and barely manages to escape alive, but will return with back-up (queue the group content).
All the while understanding that allowing palyers who do not own the DLC into Arkbreaks has the benefit of making it easier to fill the isntance and get the necessary numbers to bring the beast down.

I would also have enjoyed it if some of the Echelon or E-rep roadside emergencies, when spawning, checked for proximity of players with the Castithan DLC and had a 1 in 50 or so chance of generating an alternate version with Thorn Liro npcs instead, to make that faction just a tiny bit more than two cut scenes.

Ah well...

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Originally Posted by Umfafa

Transmedia? You mean they have bewbs and a weener?

I want no part of that.

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This is what he's referring to?http://static5.businessinsider.com/i...0-/ny_dn-5.jpg

It was released a few weeks after DEFI.
Maybe it was released way too early in the cycle?

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Originally Posted by TalynOne

Apologetics (from Greek ἀπολογία, "speaking in defense") is the discipline of defending a position (often religious) through the systematic use of information.

See also: Denialism

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You can also see "pathetic"...

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Originally Posted by Escyos

yet these people simply do not remember that Defiance lore is transmedia - we have the show, this site and various others that put out information from the Defiance universe.

Don't get me wrong, it sucks if its true that we get no new mission, of course it does, but complaining about a lack of story is simply wrong.

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When people complain about lack of story, they're talking about missions--in-game content--not lore. We've already established that the lore is meaningless to Trion (as evidenced by ignoring all of it and creating moose-riding Canadian alien samurai.

people are not upset about the story but the fact that buying the dlc only gets you an outfit

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Originally Posted by bigguy

people are not upset about the story but the fact that buying the dlc only gets you an outfit

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Well, yeah. So this post trying to defend Trion just makes no sense to me. Why bother. I don't see Trion defending this DLC 3 in any way, as if they really think they're fooling us into believing it's actually worth $10. We want to play a game that gives us something to do and if all we do is the same stuff over and over again, eventually we'll all go away and do something else! That's it and that's all. The end is inevitable, just a matter of when. I predict around June when Destiny is released, at least for us PS3 players.

People have been predicting the demise of LOTRO as long as I have been playing. It's common for people to predict the gloom and doom of a game; I'm one. This game will run as long as it makes enough money to keep the servers operating.

Now this is the first game I have played that was actually connect to a TV series, and some what backed by the company producing that series. I finished watching season 1 and to tell you the truth it wasn't that good. They ended the series on a cliff hanger while doing their damnedest to wrap up other plots. If the writing and directing of the series doesn't improve drastically in season 2 there wont be a season 3. Which would mean SyFy pulling the plug on this. Or at least dropping the backing of it. I doubt this game makes enough to stay afloat with out syfy's backing.

But that is all theoretical. No one can actually predict what is going to happen in the future, that is why most people are concerned about this games present. We can only guess what is going to happen based on what has happened in the past. And this games past does not bode well for it's future.

Bla bla bla blindly defend Defiance bla bla bla?


thats what i heard

Actually, the title of this thread should read:

"People need to remember that Defiance is a VIDEO GAME."

Honestly people put too much value in "$10.00" today..."im not gonna pay $10.00 for blah blah" what are we talking about here people 2 gallons of gas? a pack of smokes and maybe a twinkie?...I understand the sentiment but jeez.$10.00 isnt a fortune these days people.

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Originally Posted by Smogg

Honestly people put too much value in "$10.00" today..."im not gonna pay $10.00 for blah blah" what are we talking about here people 2 gallons of gas? a pack of smokes and maybe a twinkie?...I understand the sentiment but jeez.$10.00 isnt a fortune these days people.

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Exactly. This reminds me of the new players on Steam who bury a game they've bought for 5 bucks. I always tell them I spent more $$ on a sandwich... But you know, "paying customers" and their sense of entitlement.

It's just a video game - followed by two comments of "It's just 10 dollars."

The defenses of this content-less DLC are getting better and better.

LOL

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Originally Posted by Manstan

...If the writing and directing of the series doesn't improve drastically in season 2 there wont be a season 3...

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The show is one of Syfy's most popular shows irrespective of what you personally think about the quality of the show. Practically the only things that matter regarding the viability of a television show these days is how well it does in the ratings and what the production costs are which is why low quality pseudo reality shows pervade the airways while quality television series often don't survive past their first season and rarely make it beyond few more than that.

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Originally Posted by Manstan

...Now this is the first game I have played that was actually connect to a TV series, and some what backed by the company producing that series...

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The game actually has no direct backing from the producers of the show. They share a common ultimate parent entity but the subsidiary that invests in Trion Worlds (Comcast Ventures) doesn't have a majority stake in the company and hasn't shown any inclination to invest any further money in the company. Like all VC funds its focus is in maximizing ROI and since the transmedia aspect of the show and game apparently hasn't yielded any income producing synergy from a practical point of view they're stand alone products with the failure of either having marginal impact on the viability of the other.

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Originally Posted by Overtkill21

It's just a video game - followed by two comments of "It's just 10 dollars."

The defenses of this content-less DLC are getting better and better.

LOL

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Oh no please. That answer is totally relevant to all the "I don't get enough content for my $$$" reactions. You might disagree, but don't dismiss it.

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Originally Posted by Overtkill21

It's just a video game - followed by two comments of "It's just 10 dollars."

The defenses of this content-less DLC are getting better and better.

LOL

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Hope this isn't directed at me, because I've never "defended content-less DLC" in the past. Point I was trying to make is people sure get their undies in a wad over pretty much nothing these days.

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Originally Posted by Smogg

Honestly people put too much value in "$10.00" today..."im not gonna pay $10.00 for blah blah" what are we talking about here people 2 gallons of gas? a pack of smokes and maybe a twinkie?...I understand the sentiment but jeez.$10.00 isnt a fortune these days people.

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The amount of money isn't the issue. The reasonable expectations for what you get from Season Pass DLC is. It's reasonable to expect to get a large cappucino and some pastries from your local Starbucks for ~$10 and it's reasonable to refuse to pay the same amount for just a small regular coffee from the same place for the same price. While the volume of the content and quality of DLC can vary wildly in the video game industry (my allusion to the Horse Armor DLC for Bethesda's Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion in another thread about DLC 3: The Seventh Legion is an example of one of the worst ones which people are still buying) there are minimal standards and reasonable expectations for Season Pass DLC packs in the industry and generally speaking they've always included storyline missions (e.g. BL2 Season Pass DLC), and when they don't have them they deserve to be harshly criticized as lousy DLC releases.

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Originally Posted by Escyos

Yes, it is rumored, or confirmed, or misdirectionally confirmed to throw us off, that the DLC has no missions in it. I have seen talk of people complaining about their being no real story behind the DLC, yet these people simply do not remember that Defiance lore is transmedia - we have the show, this site and various others that put out information from the Defiance universe.

Don't get me wrong, it sucks if its true that we get no new mission, of course it does, but complaining about a lack of story is simply wrong.

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I don't remember anything about the 7legion in the TV show, and I doubt they will talk about it in the next season.
Also, no matter what, a lockbox and an outfit is not what I call a paying DLC. Having a few emergencies that are not new to complete in a row is not especially "new".

I don't care if there is a story in a DLC or not. Sure I like story, but I like content (story or anything) above everything. This DLC is empty. The background is a joke (yeah! Canadian Samurai), and there is not even a story to explain why Canadian Samurai suddenly decide to move to the Bay. And why my character should care.

And no amount of transmedia will change that.