Disappearing vehicle discussion

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Originally Posted by DSW

if that's the case, then trion should reach out to CCP or Blizzard for help - they know how to handle highload MMOs :)

or they just put a hard limit on amount of data sent to the client. it's ok for consoles with their limited CPU. but hey, what about PC players that not only have a s-load of power to warm up the room but also connected via high-speed-no-lag ethernet/optical channels?

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Bro do you even HED-GP or B-R??

:P cripes those were lagfests.

EVE IS REAL

Okay, they seem to still be having problems locking down the issue. Let's start by listing as many symptoms as we can, and then trying to find the common denominator.

- Vehicles disappear at random.
- This can happen whether you are alone or traveling in a group.
- If you are traveling alone, you will only see your vehicle despawn. However if multiple people are traveling side by side (literally) they all despawn at the same time.
- It can happen seemingly in the middle of nowhere, or just trying to reach the next yellow bubble of an incursion.
- We see a huge jump in the frequency of this right after a DLC is released, and thus many more people becoming active on the servers.
- I can eliminate the problem almost entirely, by playing in a very quiet shard. I rarely see it happen to me in a quiet shard, if at all.
- It happens to us many times by simply driving too close (towards, or alongside) to the colored bubbles of various events.

The current theory is phase shifting. Phases filling up and by shifting players to a new one while driving would cause the problem to happen. I figured by lowering the number of maximum players per phase, they could easily test this by 'forcing' a driving player into a new phase. I could not discount this theory in any way shape or form. It seemed to fit all the symptoms, but yet, according to the live stream might not be the case. If filling up a said phase is not what is causing it, they have other engine problems, and I don't see how we can possibly help.

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Originally Posted by Amack

Okay, they seem to still be having problems locking down the issue. Let's start by listing as many symptoms as we can, and then trying to find the common denominator.

- Vehicles disappear at random.
- This can happen whether you are alone or traveling in a group.
- If you are traveling alone, you will only see your vehicle despawn. However if multiple people are traveling side by side (literally) they all despawn at the same time.
- It can happen seemingly in the middle of nowhere, or just trying to reach the next yellow bubble of an incursion.
- We see a huge jump in the frequency of this right after a DLC is released, and thus many more people becoming active on the servers.
- I can eliminate the problem almost entirely, by playing in a very quiet shard. I rarely see it happen to me in a quiet shard, if at all.
- It happens to us many times by simply driving too close (towards, or alongside) to the colored bubbles of various events.

The current theory is phase shifting. Phases filling up and by shifting players to a new one while driving would cause the problem to happen. I figured by lowering the number of maximum players per phase, they could easily test this by 'forcing' a driving player into a new phase. I could not discount this theory in any way shape or form. It seemed to fit all the symptoms, but yet, according to the live stream might not be the case. If filling up a said phase is not what is causing it, they have other engine problems, and I don't see how we can possibly help.

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Outside of the obvious Incursion spots, I see this happen most often when approaching a Conflict Site. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

It still happens even when an incursion isn't going on just less frequent.

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Originally Posted by hey u

It still happens even when an incursion isn't going on just less frequent.

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Like they said, its been going on since beta, or before... it just becomes much less frequent at times, and much more frequent at other times.

I gave it some thought and I have thought maybe it has something to do when I call down my vehicle you know it blinks and after X amount time it blinks and then will disappear? Well I think it is something wrong with that mechanic and instead of say 25 seconds till the vehicle would disappear well for some reason it is doing it at anytime randomly which is why we get booted off at random times.

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Originally Posted by hey u

I gave it some thought and I have thought maybe it has something to do when I call down my vehicle you know it blinks and after X amount time it blinks and then will disappear? Well I think it is something wrong with that mechanic and instead of say 25 seconds till the vehicle would disappear well for some reason it is doing it at anytime randomly which is why we get booted off at random times.

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If any actual vehicle mechanic was to blame, I would see it regardless of what shard I am in. I do not see it happen in the quiet shards... I can't remember the last time I did.

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Originally Posted by Amack

Okay, they seem to still be having problems locking down the issue. Let's start by listing as many symptoms as we can, and then trying to find the common denominator.

- Vehicles disappear at random.
- This can happen whether you are alone or traveling in a group.
- If you are traveling alone, you will only see your vehicle despawn. However if multiple people are traveling side by side (literally) they all despawn at the same time.
- It can happen seemingly in the middle of nowhere, or just trying to reach the next yellow bubble of an incursion.
- We see a huge jump in the frequency of this right after a DLC is released, and thus many more people becoming active on the servers.
- I can eliminate the problem almost entirely, by playing in a very quiet shard. I rarely see it happen to me in a quiet shard, if at all.
- It happens to us many times by simply driving too close (towards, or alongside) to the colored bubbles of various events.

The current theory is phase shifting. Phases filling up and by shifting players to a new one while driving would cause the problem to happen. I figured by lowering the number of maximum players per phase, they could easily test this by 'forcing' a driving player into a new phase. I could not discount this theory in any way shape or form. It seemed to fit all the symptoms, but yet, according to the live stream might not be the case. If filling up a said phase is not what is causing it, they have other engine problems, and I don't see how we can possibly help.

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About a week ago I pulled out of The Crater, made a left, and had it despawn in the middle of that pack of 9'rs just down the road.
The crowd of people 10-15 seconds behind me zipped right on passed.

Pulled out of IDR and made that left to head ENE this AM and had it despawn twice before I got to the first turn-off.

Pulled out of IDR a few weeks ago, made the left in my Duni, traveled about 100 feet and had the wheels come off.
Right after that the vehicle started floating.
I took a series of screenshots as it got higher/higher.
Passed over a few clusters of hellbugs, archers shooting snotrockets up at me.
Stuck with it for about 10 minutes.
I got bored so I went to a WM break with a different account, told a friend that after the break was over he should port to my 'toon.

He ported to 1st 'toon, saw my Duni, realized he was about a half mile up, and did a Wile E. Coyote fall into the ocean somewhere out east of San Quentin. So I went back to 1st 'toon and waited.
About 3-4 minutes later Duni despawned and I did the W. E. Coyote plunge.

In fact when traveling into a colored area, you may notice your vehicle shimmer, like a shield effect. That is the exact point when the bug occurs.

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Originally Posted by Amack

Trick is on it. First they have to setup a test environment with the right variables just to reproduce the problem. Once that has been completed and the issue can be shown 100% every time repeatedly then they will home in on the code that needs to be modified. Once they find the correct spot in the code, they have to write completely new code to replace it.

Guys, I know its been a long road, and an extremely frustrating one. This is going to take some time now, and there is nothing you can say or do to change that fact. You simply have to trust me once again on this. I told you they would get chat right, and they did. I feel just as strongly about this. It will be resolved.

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Do you work for trion? You getting a commision?