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  • 02-08-2014, 09:44 PM
    Amack
    It's okay guys, you can save those CPU cycles for something else.
  • 02-08-2014, 09:54 PM
    Fuzzle
    That was the same incursion a lot of my video was of.
    Yours was pretty entertaining though - you barely got 2 feet in your car half the time XD I was imagining Benny Hill music playing watching that.
  • 02-08-2014, 10:05 PM
    Sliverbaer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fuzzle View Post
    That was the same incursion a lot of my video was of.
    Yours was pretty entertaining though - you barely got 2 feet in your car half the time XD I was imagining Benny Hill music playing watching that.

    Yeah, looks like!

    I have that mp3. I may just do that....

    Amack, until I see patch notes, "vehicle despawn fixed" i will post vids if I can. Maybe more because it was a failed incursion, but it was pretty funny. And I have plenty of cpu cycles to burn.
  • 02-08-2014, 10:07 PM
    hey u
    I'm setting a personal achievement to have it disappear on me past my 2 times of which is my record. My achievement will be self satisfaction.
  • 02-08-2014, 10:09 PM
    Amack
    Just saying, it's not worth the trouble, but if you have spare time and would like to... then have at it.
    They are aware of the issue, and they do realize what a hassle it is, especially at incursions of all places.
    They are working on it.

    Wait I have a better way to end this discussion. You want to know how I know I am right? I'm not in the time out corner. It's that simple really.

    Just give them some time.
  • 02-08-2014, 11:03 PM
    Burned In Effigy
    Every car ride I get ghosted off but its better than being booted off every 30 to 45 minutes. Just sayin.
  • 02-08-2014, 11:08 PM
    hey u
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by burned in effigy View Post
    every car ride i get ghosted off but its better than being booted off every 30 to 45 minutes. Just sayin.

    das boot...
  • 02-08-2014, 11:50 PM
    DSW
    somewhat unrelated remark: i don't get it, but it seems like all sleeper players came back to Defiance... or trion just cut instance count in half :/
    the latter one doesn't make much sense though, because you still can get to relatively empty one and even do an incursion without disappearing cars, players and mobs.
  • 02-08-2014, 11:53 PM
    Amack
    No, I'm pretty sure many people came back to try it out. The servers literally could not handle the player telemetry data.
  • 02-09-2014, 12:10 AM
    DSW
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    No, I'm pretty sure many people came back to try it out. The servers literally could not handle the player telemetry data.

    if that's the case, then trion should reach out to CCP or Blizzard for help - they know how to handle highload MMOs :)

    or they just put a hard limit on amount of data sent to the client. it's ok for consoles with their limited CPU. but hey, what about PC players that not only have a s-load of power to warm up the room but also connected via high-speed-no-lag ethernet/optical channels?
  • 02-09-2014, 01:56 AM
    Haifisch
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DSW View Post
    if that's the case, then trion should reach out to CCP or Blizzard for help - they know how to handle highload MMOs :)

    or they just put a hard limit on amount of data sent to the client. it's ok for consoles with their limited CPU. but hey, what about PC players that not only have a s-load of power to warm up the room but also connected via high-speed-no-lag ethernet/optical channels?

    Bro do you even HED-GP or B-R??

    :P cripes those were lagfests.

    EVE IS REAL
  • 02-14-2014, 04:44 PM
    Amack
    Okay, they seem to still be having problems locking down the issue. Let's start by listing as many symptoms as we can, and then trying to find the common denominator.

    - Vehicles disappear at random.
    - This can happen whether you are alone or traveling in a group.
    - If you are traveling alone, you will only see your vehicle despawn. However if multiple people are traveling side by side (literally) they all despawn at the same time.
    - It can happen seemingly in the middle of nowhere, or just trying to reach the next yellow bubble of an incursion.
    - We see a huge jump in the frequency of this right after a DLC is released, and thus many more people becoming active on the servers.
    - I can eliminate the problem almost entirely, by playing in a very quiet shard. I rarely see it happen to me in a quiet shard, if at all.
    - It happens to us many times by simply driving too close (towards, or alongside) to the colored bubbles of various events.

    The current theory is phase shifting. Phases filling up and by shifting players to a new one while driving would cause the problem to happen. I figured by lowering the number of maximum players per phase, they could easily test this by 'forcing' a driving player into a new phase. I could not discount this theory in any way shape or form. It seemed to fit all the symptoms, but yet, according to the live stream might not be the case. If filling up a said phase is not what is causing it, they have other engine problems, and I don't see how we can possibly help.
  • 02-14-2014, 05:54 PM
    Market
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    Okay, they seem to still be having problems locking down the issue. Let's start by listing as many symptoms as we can, and then trying to find the common denominator.

    - Vehicles disappear at random.
    - This can happen whether you are alone or traveling in a group.
    - If you are traveling alone, you will only see your vehicle despawn. However if multiple people are traveling side by side (literally) they all despawn at the same time.
    - It can happen seemingly in the middle of nowhere, or just trying to reach the next yellow bubble of an incursion.
    - We see a huge jump in the frequency of this right after a DLC is released, and thus many more people becoming active on the servers.
    - I can eliminate the problem almost entirely, by playing in a very quiet shard. I rarely see it happen to me in a quiet shard, if at all.
    - It happens to us many times by simply driving too close (towards, or alongside) to the colored bubbles of various events.

    The current theory is phase shifting. Phases filling up and by shifting players to a new one while driving would cause the problem to happen. I figured by lowering the number of maximum players per phase, they could easily test this by 'forcing' a driving player into a new phase. I could not discount this theory in any way shape or form. It seemed to fit all the symptoms, but yet, according to the live stream might not be the case. If filling up a said phase is not what is causing it, they have other engine problems, and I don't see how we can possibly help.

    Outside of the obvious Incursion spots, I see this happen most often when approaching a Conflict Site. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
  • 02-14-2014, 05:55 PM
    hey u
    It still happens even when an incursion isn't going on just less frequent.
  • 02-14-2014, 05:57 PM
    Amack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hey u View Post
    It still happens even when an incursion isn't going on just less frequent.

    Like they said, its been going on since beta, or before... it just becomes much less frequent at times, and much more frequent at other times.
  • 02-14-2014, 06:03 PM
    hey u
    I gave it some thought and I have thought maybe it has something to do when I call down my vehicle you know it blinks and after X amount time it blinks and then will disappear? Well I think it is something wrong with that mechanic and instead of say 25 seconds till the vehicle would disappear well for some reason it is doing it at anytime randomly which is why we get booted off at random times.
  • 02-14-2014, 06:07 PM
    Amack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hey u View Post
    I gave it some thought and I have thought maybe it has something to do when I call down my vehicle you know it blinks and after X amount time it blinks and then will disappear? Well I think it is something wrong with that mechanic and instead of say 25 seconds till the vehicle would disappear well for some reason it is doing it at anytime randomly which is why we get booted off at random times.

    If any actual vehicle mechanic was to blame, I would see it regardless of what shard I am in. I do not see it happen in the quiet shards... I can't remember the last time I did.
  • 02-14-2014, 06:52 PM
    crasher
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    Okay, they seem to still be having problems locking down the issue. Let's start by listing as many symptoms as we can, and then trying to find the common denominator.

    - Vehicles disappear at random.
    - This can happen whether you are alone or traveling in a group.
    - If you are traveling alone, you will only see your vehicle despawn. However if multiple people are traveling side by side (literally) they all despawn at the same time.
    - It can happen seemingly in the middle of nowhere, or just trying to reach the next yellow bubble of an incursion.
    - We see a huge jump in the frequency of this right after a DLC is released, and thus many more people becoming active on the servers.
    - I can eliminate the problem almost entirely, by playing in a very quiet shard. I rarely see it happen to me in a quiet shard, if at all.
    - It happens to us many times by simply driving too close (towards, or alongside) to the colored bubbles of various events.

    The current theory is phase shifting. Phases filling up and by shifting players to a new one while driving would cause the problem to happen. I figured by lowering the number of maximum players per phase, they could easily test this by 'forcing' a driving player into a new phase. I could not discount this theory in any way shape or form. It seemed to fit all the symptoms, but yet, according to the live stream might not be the case. If filling up a said phase is not what is causing it, they have other engine problems, and I don't see how we can possibly help.

    About a week ago I pulled out of The Crater, made a left, and had it despawn in the middle of that pack of 9'rs just down the road.
    The crowd of people 10-15 seconds behind me zipped right on passed.

    Pulled out of IDR and made that left to head ENE this AM and had it despawn twice before I got to the first turn-off.

    Pulled out of IDR a few weeks ago, made the left in my Duni, traveled about 100 feet and had the wheels come off.
    Right after that the vehicle started floating.
    I took a series of screenshots as it got higher/higher.
    Passed over a few clusters of hellbugs, archers shooting snotrockets up at me.
    Stuck with it for about 10 minutes.
    I got bored so I went to a WM break with a different account, told a friend that after the break was over he should port to my 'toon.

    He ported to 1st 'toon, saw my Duni, realized he was about a half mile up, and did a Wile E. Coyote fall into the ocean somewhere out east of San Quentin. So I went back to 1st 'toon and waited.
    About 3-4 minutes later Duni despawned and I did the W. E. Coyote plunge.
  • 02-14-2014, 07:13 PM
    Amack
    In fact when traveling into a colored area, you may notice your vehicle shimmer, like a shield effect. That is the exact point when the bug occurs.
  • 02-14-2014, 07:42 PM
    r2nddan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    Trick is on it. First they have to setup a test environment with the right variables just to reproduce the problem. Once that has been completed and the issue can be shown 100% every time repeatedly then they will home in on the code that needs to be modified. Once they find the correct spot in the code, they have to write completely new code to replace it.

    Guys, I know its been a long road, and an extremely frustrating one. This is going to take some time now, and there is nothing you can say or do to change that fact. You simply have to trust me once again on this. I told you they would get chat right, and they did. I feel just as strongly about this. It will be resolved.

    Do you work for trion? You getting a commision?
  • 02-14-2014, 07:55 PM
    crasher
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by r2nddan View Post
    Do you work for trion? You getting a commision?

    Stockholm syndrome
  • 02-14-2014, 07:58 PM
    Escyos
    My vehicle always disappears when I drive from the vendors at Iron Demon Ranch out the exit towards Parraba Farm. Happens in a few other places but usually only during arkfalls/incursions when there are lots of others around.
  • 02-14-2014, 07:59 PM
    Bonehead
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crasher View Post
    Stockholm syndrome

    Wish I'd a thought that one up.
  • 02-14-2014, 07:59 PM
    Amack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by r2nddan View Post
    Do you work for trion? You getting a commision?

    The answer is no, and I'm still considering quitting.
  • 02-14-2014, 08:00 PM
    Bonehead
    My experience is any type any where doing anything *poof* roller/runner gone.
  • 02-14-2014, 08:01 PM
    Bonehead
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    The answer is no, and I'm still considering quitting.

    That's pretty good too though.
  • 02-14-2014, 08:06 PM
    Amack
    This was a Mt. Tam incursion...

    http://i62.tinypic.com/mjpfkx.jpg

    Two things to note.
    1. I was not able to reach tier 1 in rewards, despite the number of people. (2 doing emergencies and 4 doing the siege)
    2. My car never despawned during the whole event.
  • 02-14-2014, 08:08 PM
    r2nddan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    The answer is no, and I'm still considering quitting.

    If you didnt have such a good attitude and sense of humor id consider calling you a fan boy. But since you do, i wont.
  • 02-14-2014, 08:09 PM
    Amack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by r2nddan View Post
    If you didnt have such a good attitude and sense of humor id consider calling you a fan boy. But since you do, i wont.

    Rest assured, I am a big fan, and if this game were in my control... we wouldn't be facing many of the problems we do now.
  • 02-14-2014, 08:11 PM
    r2nddan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    Rest assured, I am a big fan, and if this game were in my control... we wouldn't be facing many of the problems we do now.

    You re hired. Now get to work.
  • 02-14-2014, 08:13 PM
    Amack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by r2nddan View Post
    You re hired. Now get to work.

    The amount required to get me to apply to Trion simply does not exist. :p

    Edit: The phase/population theory also explains why they could never previously reproduce the problem.
  • 02-14-2014, 09:41 PM
    Shoogli
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    Rest assured, I am a big fan, and if this game were in my control... we wouldn't be facing many of the problems we do now.

    Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads !

    http://imageshack.com/a/img819/9503/ohg0.jpg
  • 02-14-2014, 09:44 PM
    Amack
    Edit: Nope nevermind, I'm gonna send a PM
  • 02-14-2014, 09:55 PM
    Nyamara
    I wish I had took a picture of the time I rolled the Duni... it was weird to say the least to watch it turn itself over...

    Anyways, for all those that are having the disappearing vehicle problem... do please submit a bug report in-game using the Settings area, "Report Bug" feature so that the developers know that its not just a few people, but like EVERYONE....
  • 02-14-2014, 10:18 PM
    crasher
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    Rest assured, I am a big fan, and if this game were in my control... we wouldn't be facing many of the problems we do now.

    Amack considers me to be one of those problems.
  • 02-14-2014, 10:26 PM
    Amack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crasher View Post
    Amack considers me to be one of those problems.

    I see you as more of a solution, and not so much a problem.
  • 02-15-2014, 10:23 AM
    hey u
    I'm doing an incursion but I was driving the slowest I have ever gone driving like coasting barely along talking to someone and I noticed like a mini shake in lag it looked like. It was like I ran through the invisible barrier that knocks you off you atv for that split second but I had noticed it on my tv.

    And nobody was driving around me but I was doing a incursion.
  • 02-15-2014, 11:24 AM
    Amack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hey u View Post
    It was like I ran through the invisible barrier that knocks you off you atv for that split second but I had noticed it on my tv.

    And nobody was driving around me but I was doing a incursion.

    Exactly Hey U! That is the phase shift and exact point where it bugs out with too much activity.

    Keep watching closely, and you will notice it happen more and more as you approach a colored circle.

    But not every single time.
  • 02-15-2014, 01:31 PM
    Iceberg
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nyamara View Post
    I wish I had took a picture of the time I rolled the Duni... it was weird to say the least to watch it turn itself over...

    Anyways, for all those that are having the disappearing vehicle problem... do please submit a bug report in-game using the Settings area, "Report Bug" feature so that the developers know that its not just a few people, but like EVERYONE....

    Happened to me last night during an incursion, thought it was a new feature to help get the player out of their car faster to start killing things faster.
  • 02-15-2014, 08:51 PM
    DanteYoda
    I think my best roll on an incursion is like 5 vehicle disappears right after each other, was pretty upset to be honest.

    But it always cheers me up to see random 5 or 6 other players vehicles disappear as they are beside me, comedy gold..
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