WTF happened to this game?

this will be a rant!

Alright logged into defiance on my ps3 today for the first ( and now last time) in months and just want to know what the F*** the devs did to this game?

last time i played was just before the first DLC.
So obiously i noticed the UI has changed quite a bit but thats alright ill just try an arkfall get some kills get some loot get back into the groove.
Arkfall was some minor arkfall with some big piece of wrekage and a blue entry thing - so i think they have added some coop style missions as arkfalls - interesting.
Go inside then -
I DIE 30 F***** TIMES IN A ROW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Appear in some big room and the mission header 'smash and grab' defeat the volge.
i think great these guys wern't in it last time i played start shooting one then every single enemy in the room turns and just starts infinately spamming some sort of plasma grenades at me.
Die instantly.
Self revive and just start running - only theres nothing to hide behind as these plasma things have massive splash damage and stun my char every time they land any where near me.
Get one down to half health then die again.
had enough so press extraction only i reappear in the room again above the enemy i was just shooting and oh look his health has gone back to full.
manage to kill him this time before the plasma spam kills me.
extraction plases me back in the map with plasma balls already coming at me before i have even finished spawning.
Die instantly again.

Spend 10 mins dieing over and over while trying to find a way out. No apparant exit cant find anything in the menu to get out eventually have to hard quit back to ps3 menu.

I know this game had some issues the first few months but at least i could have fun playing it
now its just turned into grenade spam death.

anyway rant over

It sounds like to me you had one bad experience when you came back. The volge can be a bit hectic but are do able. I wouldn't let this one bad experience ruin some of the things that have been added/changed for you. Now you know just have to be a little more careful running in to those things gun's blazing especially if your doing the arkfall alone. Now if you think that was hard head into a war master and you'll probably snap the disc in half.

you nailed it...."coop style" grab a bud bro.

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Originally Posted by Sevn

It sounds like to me you had one bad experience when you came back. The volge can be a bit hectic but are do able. I wouldn't let this one bad experience ruin some of the things that have been added/changed for you. Now you know just have to be a little more careful running in to those things gun's blazing especially if your doing the arkfall alone. Now if you think that was hard head into a war master and you'll probably snap the disc in half.

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If it was a Major arkfall solo i could understand but it was just a minor one and the main problem was there was no indication of how to get out - so i was trapped with about 10-15 enemies spaming plasma balls at me and even dieing wouldn't let me out it was f**** horrible!

LOL don't go in by yourself! That's a "Smash N Grab" from Arkbreaker DLC and can kick your a**. Invite ppl to group with you before you head inside. I've done them with 1 other person and not died too much, but alone have had it just like you posted. Don't leave the game, adapt!

Teamwork is the word. Not bird.

that instance isnt meant to be done alone i dont know why the people who started it werent there with you , you should have been able to push right on the dpad and find leave map instead of quitting game altogether

It sounds like you were the only one in the instance. The Volge inside Arkbreaks do tend to gang up on one player if given the time even if there is a group (I've been hit by 3-4 grenades at once), but if there is a group, that generally doesn't happen again after the first death.

Assuming you were alone inside, the instance is meant for a group of players and not for soloing. It can be done though some players find it too tough, especially if over half a dozen bombers spawn. There is actually cover all over the ground level in the form of raised column like platforms that you use to jump from the ground floor to the mezzanine level and there are two small interior walls opposite of each other on the mezzanine level.

I solo them with a grenadier build.

Weapons: Big Boomer, BMG
Ego Power: Overcharge
Perks: Deadly Cascade, Killing Machine, Quick Charge, Blast Shield, Thick Skinned, Regeneration, Cellular Armor, Fortitude, Time Out, Pumped Up

Stay on the mezzanine level and spend the initial time sprinting around to avoid their shots and bombs. This takes a little patience but it will shorten the overall length of the encounter significantly because eventually the Volge will start to bunch up into a few groups which is what you want since your damage is area of effect damage and the benefits of Deadly Cascade will kick in. Once they're bunched up, pick one of the two interior walls to hide behind.

Activate Overcharge and bob back and forth from behind the wall to fire off one or two grenades at a time into a group until your magazine has emptied out and detonate. Doing just two or three reloads will kill off all the Volge in each group. You will take AoE damage from some of the grenades landing nearby, but Blast Shield will minimize the effective blast radius of some of them on you to prevent your death and your other defensive perks will minimize a lot of the rest of the damage. If your health gets too low after a few of their grenade volleys, switch out to the BMG and run around the mezzanine to get back to full shields and health and start all over again. Rinse and repeat as needed. Run to the ammo box as needed or use Ammo Spikes.

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Originally Posted by Elastik Spastik

Teamwork is the word. Not bird.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184

Interesting. A thread about an aspect of the game being too hard. Usually it's just the opposite and ppl are clamoring for all the enemies to get a 1000% buff.

Imagine this guys luck if the devs had listened a month ago and these things were only twice as buffed....

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Originally Posted by rebtattoo

Interesting.

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False statement.

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Originally Posted by Amack

False statement.

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In what manner?

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Originally Posted by rebtattoo

In what manner?

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It's just not interesting. ;)

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Originally Posted by Amack

It's just not interesting. ;)

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Ah. I find it so. I'm sorry our opinions don't align. Rare occurrence.

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Originally Posted by rebtattoo

Ah. I find it so. I'm sorry our opinions don't align. Rare occurrence.

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I never said the concept you mentioned, was not interesting.
I was referring more to the thread itself.

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Originally Posted by Amack

I never said the concept you mentioned, was not interesting.
I was referring more to the thread itself.

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AAAH. Now we're back on the same page! LOL

Where as the general consensus is the game has gotten way too easy. We have someone trying to solo a minor arkbreak and complaining about grenade spam? heh.

All you had to do was bring up your quick menu, go under match making and click leave. Just like if you were in a co-op or a pvp match.

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

Where as the general consensus is the game has gotten way too easy. We have someone trying to solo a minor arkbreak and complaining about grenade spam? heh.

All you had to do was bring up your quick menu, go under match making and click leave. Just like if you were in a co-op or a pvp match.

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Well, naturally that's the quickest solution. Sometimes getting side tracked and pointing out the lesser obvious stuff is just a bit more fun.

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Originally Posted by Deunan

It sounds like you were the only one in the instance. The Volge inside Arkbreaks do tend to gang up on one player if given the time even if there is a group (I've been hit by 3-4 grenades at once), but if there is a group, that generally doesn't happen again after the first death.

Assuming you were alone inside, the instance is meant for a group of players and not for soloing. It can be done though some players find it too tough, especially if over half a dozen bombers spawn. There is actually cover all over the ground level in the form of raised column like platforms that you use to jump from the ground floor to the mezzanine level and there are two small interior walls opposite of each other on the mezzanine level.

I solo them with a grenadier build.

Weapons: Big Boomer, BMG
Ego Power: Overcharge
Perks: Deadly Cascade, Killing Machine, Quick Charge, Blast Shield, Thick Skinned, Regeneration, Cellular Armor, Fortitude, Time Out, Pumped Up

Stay on the mezzanine level and spend the initial time sprinting around to avoid their shots and bombs. This takes a little patience but it will shorten the overall length of the encounter significantly because eventually the Volge will start to bunch up into a few groups which is what you want since your damage is area of effect damage and the benefits of Deadly Cascade will kick in. Once they're bunched up, pick one of the two interior walls to hide behind.

Activate Overcharge and bob back and forth from behind the wall to fire off one or two grenades at a time into a group until your magazine has emptied out and detonate. Doing just two or three reloads will kill off all the Volge in each group. You will take AoE damage from some of the grenades landing nearby, but Blast Shield will minimize the effective blast radius of some of them on you to prevent your death and your other defensive perks will minimize a lot of the rest of the damage. If your health gets too low after a few of their grenade volleys, switch out to the BMG and run around the mezzanine to get back to full shields and health and start all over again. Rinse and repeat as needed. Run to the ammo box as needed or use Ammo Spikes.

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I like a challenge & thank you to Deunan, I'm going to try most of your ideas (personally can't stand bmg's), since the times I've tried to solo - I get my butt kicked also

From personnal experience the volge inside arkfalls can be irritating when alone so you will need to pick targets wisely the two main threats that should be priority targets are the drones & elite bombers. The drones are able to move from both upper and lower levels making them very difficult to destroy, the elite bombers tend to launch seekers very frequently and when a few bombers get together then you can look at 30+ seekers chasing you

The best strategy to use is to snipe the volge from the upper levels using the arch as cover but if volge are appearing on upper levels then they become priority targets

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Originally Posted by CooP_OmegA

Alright logged into defiance on my ps3 today...

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This was pretty much all I needed to hear. ;)

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

This was pretty much all I needed to hear. ;)

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I thought the same exact thing Creep.

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Originally Posted by CooP_OmegA

this will be a rant!

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I DIE 30 F***** TIMES IN A ROW!!!!!!!!!!!!
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anyway rant over

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I think my record for a solo on a Huntmaster/Drone minor Break was something like 46.
Being out of ammo when the badguys are camping on the spawn site is disheartening.....

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

This was pretty much all I needed to hear. ;)

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It's funny because it's true!

The problem here is simple..the volge are a considerable upgrade in power from the simple raiders and hellbugs the op was used to and got owned...

use strategy next time.


nothing to see here carry on...

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

Where as the general consensus is the game has gotten way too easy. We have someone trying to solo a minor arkbreak and complaining about grenade spam? heh.

All you had to do was bring up your quick menu, go under match making and click leave. Just like if you were in a co-op or a pvp match.

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But, but... Soloing a minor arkbreak is easy. The interior is a little complicated but still if easy, given you know the mechanics and are prepared for what awaits. The first few times will be painful and you might not want to farm minors after then. However, if you stick with it, you can learn to avoid the ones that hurt and set up your ego skill to match play style for the minors (I prefer to use blur then) and you'll die a lot less with practice and the right setup for soloing a minor arkbreak.

However, it goes much faster with at least 1 or 2 other people. And no I'm not mentioning how many times I died the first few times, though I could have brought a Racer Duni in the game with amount of scrip lost. lol

Now, you die like 3 maybe 5 times on the bomber ones... On the viscera ones, oh... well... learn to use cluster drop and blur and you might survive but the viscera one you don't die as much on, but you need to learn to take out all the drones and to use cluster drop while running on the visceras to make sure you survive if their still a lot of drones and/or troopers around. But other than that... its like not easy or hard to do the viscera ones solo in my opinion.

"logged into defiance on my ps3 today" explains it all.
Not raging on the PS3 at all but it has been the worst platform for this game by a very long stretch.
Not to worry though, every live stream they let you know they are working on "stability issues" so you got that going for you.

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Originally Posted by rebtattoo

Interesting. A thread about an aspect of the game being too hard. Usually it's just the opposite and ppl are clamoring for all the enemies to get a 1000% buff.

Imagine this guys luck if the devs had listened a month ago and these things were only twice as buffed....

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Imagine if the poor schmuck ran into them months ago before the Volge (as a whole) were nerfed like 4 times. He would have ran away screaming and still be running.

I am not a great player, but even I think they have nerfed the enemy and buffed some of the guns too much! Most of it has gotten way to easy and can get boring fast because of it. Yes the Volg can still be hard, when soloing, but they are the only hard enemy. All the rest could use a buff.

Atticus, you missed the memo? they never nerfed any of the enemies, or so they say, it was clearly because they added scaling based on rarity to guns... which doesn't address the mobs hitting for less and missing more often but still!

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

Atticus, you missed the memo? they never nerfed any of the enemies, or so they say, it was clearly because they added scaling based on rarity to guns... which doesn't address the mobs hitting for less and missing more often but hey, they have their top men on it, right?

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I know isn't it funny? they nerfed how our perks stack and bugged some but if I keep dodging I can still take on an elite Viscera and 2 bombers by myself. I only use failsafe and occasionally Celullor armor as my defensive perks, and have both reload perks equipped on my OC build and all 3 Oc perks. SO I only have 2 - 3 offensive perks equipped and usually use my extra life ar, my extra life infector, ahurricane regenerator, and an orange flashbang, with health stims and damage spikes (I forget to use stims or spikes normally though). So either that is more op than I thought or they definitions on scaling and nerfs do not match mine!

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

Atticus, you missed the memo? they never nerfed any of the enemies, or so they say, it was clearly because they added scaling based on rarity to guns... which doesn't address the mobs hitting for less and missing more often but still!

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Or how you can solo volge emergencies like a Boss with white guns either.

I seem to get solo minor arks all the time.
maybe 1 or 2 ppl show up.
I know what fight you mean, with all the bombers?
lots of deaths sure but feels good to tromp them in the end. find cover and pick your targets ;)
fast loading weapons a good idea. fun fun
what doesn't feel so great is the green trash I earn for doing it.
oh well... it's all about the fight!

The game is too hard? is that what im hearing? you need to go away before anyone of importance listens to you man, no offense...

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Originally Posted by CooP_OmegA

this will be a rant!

Alright logged into defiance on my ps3 today for the first ( and now last time) in months and just want to know what the F*** the devs did to this game?

last time i played was just before the first DLC.
So obiously i noticed the UI has changed quite a bit but thats alright ill just try an arkfall get some kills get some loot get back into the groove.
Arkfall was some minor arkfall with some big piece of wrekage and a blue entry thing - so i think they have added some coop style missions as arkfalls - interesting.
Go inside then -
I DIE 30 F***** TIMES IN A ROW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Appear in some big room and the mission header 'smash and grab' defeat the volge.
i think great these guys wern't in it last time i played start shooting one then every single enemy in the room turns and just starts infinately spamming some sort of plasma grenades at me.
Die instantly.
Self revive and just start running - only theres nothing to hide behind as these plasma things have massive splash damage and stun my char every time they land any where near me.
Get one down to half health then die again.
had enough so press extraction only i reappear in the room again above the enemy i was just shooting and oh look his health has gone back to full.
manage to kill him this time before the plasma spam kills me.
extraction plases me back in the map with plasma balls already coming at me before i have even finished spawning.
Die instantly again.

Spend 10 mins dieing over and over while trying to find a way out. No apparant exit cant find anything in the menu to get out eventually have to hard quit back to ps3 menu.

I know this game had some issues the first few months but at least i could have fun playing it
now its just turned into grenade spam death.

anyway rant over

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I seen people setting up minors and rolling off and I thought it was so when someone enters they will go through what you experienced and made that person probably feel good.

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

Or how you can solo volge emergencies like a Boss with white guns either.

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Volge Emergencies aren't really an issue.
Solo'g Minor ArkBreaks with 2 Huntmaster and 4 constantly spawning healing-drones is a horse of a different flavor.

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

Or how you can solo volge emergencies like a Boss with white guns either.

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Yeah, that is the funny thing there... You can even solo arkbreaks with whites and greens. I say ark breaks meaning both minor and major. The major one though you can clear the outside with whites and the inside just before the warmaster stage with whites. The warmaster, you can solo but you won't kill it with nothing short of a brigade of players.

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Originally Posted by crasher

Volge Emergencies aren't really an issue.
Solo'g Minor ArkBreaks with 2 Huntmaster and 4 constantly spawning healing-drones is a horse of a different flavor.

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Try using a white Clusterdrop. That works great against the viscera... though you might want to have other weapons that can deal better damage like LMGs and SMGs for the troopers that happen before the Viscera shows up.

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Originally Posted by crasher

I think my record for a solo on a Huntmaster/Drone minor Break was something like 46.
Being out of ammo when the badguys are camping on the spawn site is disheartening.....

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5 million + score and getting . . . blue, blue, green was what made my solo of a Huntmaster/Drone minor Break disheartening.

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Originally Posted by royal

5 million + score and getting . . . blue, blue, green was what made my solo of a Huntmaster/Drone minor Break disheartening.

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Not having anything to use cool weapons on is what makes this game disheartening for me... :( *sad panda*

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Originally Posted by crasher

Volge Emergencies aren't really an issue.
Solo'g Minor ArkBreaks with 2 Huntmaster and 4 constantly spawning healing-drones is a horse of a different flavor.

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Tried that a couple of times.
It got old.

Okay, this exact same thing happened to me and it really is annoying if you people will drop all the condescension. I'm a fairly new, low level player who has only played a few hours here and there. I wander into this 99er Breach with no warnings, no mention of how hard it is, whatever. I die very quick. Fine, no problem. I respawn. Right where I was. Endlessly. Over and over and over again. There's no exit, no description of what to do, nothing. That is HORRIBLE design. I'm sure it's a breeze for you high level players, as it should be. But honestly, it's the type of thing that drives people away from the game for good. I logged out and Googled to see how to get out of the instance and the only thing at all of use was this thread. If I log back in and I'm still stuck in that thing, I doubt I'll ever bother playing again.