Seige and Incursion Etiquette

Since the doors have been blown off of my attempt to keep OJ drop rates from reaching dev ears at seiges and incursions, I thought it may be about time to write up a quick etiquette guide for those running sieges and incursions.

First of all, here is the basic scores people require for each:

Incursions at Mount Tam: 27k for teir 10.

Volge seiges and incursions: 40k for teir 10.

Afflicted seiges and incursions: 27k for teir 10.

Secondly allow me to ellaborate as to why this guide is needed. If some one gets a teir 10 from a soi (seige or incursion) then there is a good chance (not sure percentage) of getting an OJ weapon. These weapons are tradable. Thus for every person getting an OJ the pool of OJs increases. Now some people dont trade them I appreciate that, but most do. Therefore it is in everyones interests to increase the pool of available OJs.

Now onto the really complicated part.

When person A gets to the Teir 10 reward score, please stop killing enemies, please allow persons B, C - ad infinitum to try for the T10 reward also.

Therefore,

when at afflicted or mutant soi Stop at 27k score,

at Volge soi stop at 40k.

Feel free to run BMGs and heal, pick people up etc., score as much as you want in terms of heal assists, they dont affect other peoples scores, but kill stealing, damage dealing, and general ******gery may make you feel bigger about yourself, but trust me when I say "You Are Harming The OJ POOL". I am always impressed more by a big damage number followed by huge heals assist, than just a high damage number.

Now onto the first part of trolling this will recieve, No I am not a noob, I solo volge seiges and get in excess on 250k per seige. I almost never appear outside of the top 10 at arkfalls, and Im seriously big headed about my ability to kill shtako (and aint afraid to gloat about it). I am also not really that bothered by people accidentally stealing kills, or people stealing them when they dont have the t10 score limit.

However, people who reach the t10 limit, then decide to push that limit UP, are simply stealing OJs from the community in general... this is bad.

Here is what I propose (and do regularly), once you bust up some shtako and reach your t10 before anyone else, post in chat "t10, backing off". Then switch to heáls and boosting peeps around you.

Its not rocket science, its plain old uncommon sence.

I do this for the most part but if I reach my 40k (I only do volge sieges) and I see people neglecting to defend a capture point I will defend it solo. I feel I have better luck with drops when the the siege end and all 3 points are blue. I almost always end up around 50k-60k because of this and if people hate me for it w/e but im not going to let capture points fall.

I always do my best to not KS at sieges and give people time to show up for them before I start it if I happen to be first.

I know thats alot of "I's" but that is how most people seem to treat sieges.

It's the return of Fafa Man's dancy dance protocol!
When you get to the top tier, dancy dance!
http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...ighlight=dance

Thow i agree with some mesure of etiquette i can only say that i never had an orange drop from a volge siege or the other two.
NEVER.
So i just don`t care anymore for the score.
Incursions are unplayable because of the immense lag. I just go there to lvl up my weapons ang get XP.

Thank you for posting this tidbit of info.
I also have solo'd volge and though not an "Ace" will now back off when and if I reach these scores.
I can support the theory of OJ awarding as I have twice after achieving these scores got one oj pulser at volge siege ( score @45k) and OJ Scattergun at Kenn Farms (think it was 25-28k)
While I have dozens of OJ's like many I'm still chasing that elusive pistol or even AR/LMG/ OJ

TL:DR Yes time to stop when reach score I agree with results.

I would like to start with an appology to regular and irregular forum users, this was more posted for non forum peeps. I have seen many of the regulars on here at soi's, and bar some friendly competition between certain groups, for the most part are already adhearing to this.

This was posted in a brief moment of rage at some rather childish comments from in game d bags. I would like it to be appreciated in that light.

I would like some kind of in game etiquette established like this, circumstances allowing (appreciated Chump Noris's point). Something all clans can teach new members as some kind of unwritten (written) protocol.

Midgard sign this, we do solemnly swear not to be d bags if we can help it. We promise to aid and abet all whom join us in populating the OJ pool as thickly as is godly possible :P

Anyway, good hunting, may scrip and scrap fall on you all like bullets at a forge, defiance and all that.

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Originally Posted by Chump Norris

if people hate me for it w/e but im not going to let capture points fall.

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Isn't there a 10% score bonus for everyone for every capture point under player control? If people hate you for helping them get higher scores, they are idiots, no?

I agree with the practice and will do it

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Originally Posted by Chump Norris

I do this for the most part but if I reach my 40k (I only do volge sieges) and I see people neglecting to defend a capture point I will defend it solo. I feel I have better luck with drops when the the siege end and all 3 points are blue. I almost always end up around 50k-60k because of this and if people hate me for it w/e but im not going to let capture points fall.

I always do my best to not KS at sieges and give people time to show up for them before I start it if I happen to be first.

I know thats alot of "I's" but that is how most people seem to treat sieges.

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If you are solo at the cap point you're not keeping any one from getting a high score.

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

If you are solo at the cap point you're not keeping any one from getting a high score.

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Quite, but still stalling on t10 is good practise.

Another point made to me by a clan mate (read smart ar...), at ken farm incursions, ask if people want t10 guys to help either:
A) help clear mobs till hulker spawns.
B) help damage but not kill said hulkers.
C) or just drop spikes and heal.
D) combo of above.

I guess, its just down to the mood of the pugs at that time. Thoughts on this?

I didn't even realise this would be an issue, so I'm glad I've read this. I usually play for the fun of playing rather than for stuff like loot (though it is a nice bonus), so just shot stuff and generally enjoyed myself. No-one said anything about it on chat so I didn't think anyone took issue with others generally enjoying themselves.

Then again, I think we were lucky enough to always have a relatively low number of people joining in (10 or so), where everyone were hitting roughly the same scores. It's more something for me to consider in future, as I quite enjoy playing medic too and wouldn't mind a quick loadout switch if necessary :)

I like it. My idea of etiquette was reaching T10 and then changing my loadout to something less effective that needs leveling or new weapons I want to test. After T10 I leave the best and easiest enemies (i.e. bombers, elite troopers) for other people. I also go around recapturing undefended points. Despite this, my score often reaches 60k+ at volge sieges and I feel bad when other people end up just below the T10 goal.
I barely even acknowledged the existence of BMGs to this point, but like I said, I like the idea and I'll do it from now on.

Related question: can you do 2 sieges at the same time? I do one, get to T10, then I drive to the next one. What will happen? Do I get rewards from both, or is my contribution to the first reset when I start the second one?

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Doesn't being on top of the list increase your loot chance? I got a few OJs from volge sieges, but it was only the case when I was on or near the top.

Great thread, Jackdaws! :applause:

I know Trick said Mt. Tam siege is scored like afflicted siege at 27k. But yeah just one more thing he is wrong at or unaware of. I have scored 20k, 22k twice and 23k on last 4 I've done there and each time I got T10 reward. So its definitely not 27k like afflicted

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Originally Posted by Astropath

Related question: can you do 2 sieges at the same time? I do one, get to T10, then I drive to the next one. What will happen? Do I get rewards from both, or is my contribution to the first reset when I start the second one?

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No, you can't do this, at least not the few times I tried it. I had a couple times where I tried this when they first put in sieges and every time I did I didn't get the rewards from the first siege. If someone has proof that says otherwise I would love to hear how to get rewards from both though.

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Originally Posted by bigdawg21180

I know Trick said Mt. Tam siege is scored like afflicted siege at 27k. But yeah just one more thing he is wrong at or unaware of.

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Hopefully he makes it out of the woods okay, and has a revised answer/reply for this. If you'll remember, a trip to the woods never really ended well for Adriana...

http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600...2004_04_24.jpg

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Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p

Hopefully he makes it out of the woods okay, and has a revised answer/reply for this. If you'll remember, a trip to the woods never really ended well for Adriana...

http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600...2004_04_24.jpg

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Didn't end well for Ned Beatty in Deliverance either. But I surely wouldn't post that picture on here. So yea lets hope for the best for Trick lol

[strike]OP, you are wacked.

I go into a siege guns blazing, I *might* get 15k because I don't know where the sweet spots are. I'll get something blue, usually.

I go into one with my BMG healing all of the people I can't see I can get my score over 50k! My top score doing nothing but healing was just north of 75k, but usually it's 50-60k. I got nothing. Nadda. I didn't even place.

Why? I didn't do any damage. It's not about the 'score' it's about the damage, and that's not being shown to you.[/strike]

Understanding I needed a couple of kills I changed up... BMG and 8 round clusterdrop netted 196 kills (somehow, red dots never became visible foes). One grenade spread and switch to BMG until I was at 63k netted me an OJ VOT Disruptor. Terribad gun but... that's more OJs than the WM has given me in 33 successful runs.

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Originally Posted by BlaqWolf

OP, you are wacked.

I go into a siege guns blazing, I *might* get 15k because I don't know where the sweet spots are. I'll get something blue, usually.

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just stick to Kenn Farm and kill yourself some hulkers. usually 2-3 of them are enough for 27500 score in incursion and you could get away with single kill on plain siege. :)

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Originally Posted by jackdaws_1999

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okay it's good if people will step aside to help others get top tier, but then again - BMGs are so damn shiney they could end up doing more harm than good because of others being unable to see s*** or even Hulker...

also i'll agree with BlaqWolf - we also have problem with scoring. siege and incursion scoring system are totally different. (you can even see it in final scoreboard - siege and incursion rewards have separate lines)
yes, you can go and make some tea upon reaching top tier in plain sieges, but in Incursions you have to fight your way to the top till the timer runs out just because it only counts your damage.

As a mediocre player who's most likely one of the intended beneficiaries of your good intentions, aren't you potentially harming me at the same time? If all the top players back off as they hit their top tier score couldn't that affect the total number of stages completed for the event? Fewer stages would mean a smaller overall damage pool wouldn't it? I have no idea where the break-even point would be but it seems to me that if the top guys stayed on task the entire group would benefit from the increased damage pool available from the increased number of stages completed, even if it's only one or two.

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Originally Posted by BlaqWolf

Why? I didn't do any damage. It's not about the 'score' it's about the damage, and that's not being shown to you.

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It's not about damage. It is about score. I've gotten Tier 10 scores many times with only BMG heal assists and have a few orange items to show for it.

I scored T10 lots of times and got nothing to prove it. NOTHING.
Were is the logic in that if not pure random !?
Get of your shining and bright altars.

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Originally Posted by BifBologna

As a mediocre player who's most likely one of the intended beneficiaries of your good intentions, aren't you potentially harming me at the same time? If all the top players back off as they hit their top tier score couldn't that affect the total number of stages completed for the event? Fewer stages would mean a smaller overall damage pool wouldn't it? I have no idea where the break-even point would be but it seems to me that if the top guys stayed on task the entire group would benefit from the increased damage pool available from the increased number of stages completed, even if it's only one or two.

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well, top tier players are top tier because they don't leave survivors. so we actually need to see will it do good or bad. though as i stated before, it won't work with incursions.

Ok I am clearly going to have to put alittle more information into the community that I thought was common knowledge.

Damage at incursions does not affect the guns you get.

The score you get at the siege at the end of the incursion does affect what guns you get.

I have been at the mount tam incursion and scored on the leaderboard over 3 mil damage, nearest person to me got 2.5, then 2, then 1.9. My wife scored only 16k damage. I scored 18k at the siege part then had to go get the phone, she scored 35k through healing alone. I got 2 blues, she got an OJ Infector and a blue saw.

If you do more damage than anyone else, but fail to score a kill at the siege part of the incursion and end up with less than the teir 10 required score (had it been a straight seige rather than an Incursion siege), you will still recieve scrap all.

If you manage to get the kills, but do little damage, you wont appear at the top of the leaderboard (as the end board is damage based) at the end of the incursion, but if you achieved a t10 score, then you get a good chance at an OJ gun.

Kenn farms is a strange one, since you get a 5000 score for each heal assisted hulker kill.

Now at a straight seige, it is better to kill and kill lots, then switch to healing to allow others to get the kills (dependant on amount of people at the siege).

At the incursion seige at Kenn farms it seems better to use a BMG for the heal assists, since the likelyhood of landing the kills on things is sooooo very much smaller.

At the Kenn farms incursion seige its actually opposite to usual seige and incursion etiquette;
once you reach top teir, you are helping the vast majority of people by killing, and killing lots.

Its best to go off to where ever there is a hole in the defences and start plugging up the gap (killing the afflicted as they spawn). Only do this once you get to t10, as there will be some who start with damage and stick with it, therefore giving them a greater chance early on (while you sponge the score from their bullets).

So again I say, top teir players like myself and others (you know who you are), should adjust their gameplay to best enable the community as a whole to score teir 10s as well.

Once I hit teir 10, dependant on the situation (if there is nobody there at all, I just carry on), I either stop shooting bullets, and start keeping folks alive. Unless its kenn farm incursion, then I switch to high damage on dead areas so as to make waves pass quicker.

This should be the adopted mantra for all big hitters, at least until trion "fix" this as well, if we want to improve the pool of OJs.

What's irking me most about the incursions is the fact that since Trion again screwed up getting it into the PS store with a ridiculous 2-week delay -- everyone who has DLC on PS3 is already doing them -- Lucky Kitties running around all over the place. And here I thought they were fools for getting the season pass...

DLC 3 is supposed to be in the store today, so when I get home I have to update game and then pound incursions to get them done QUICK!! -- before the whole PS3 community loses interest. I know I'm not the only one but it sucks.

I really think someone important at Sony must hate someone important at Trion.

Just sayin'.

DOH! I had no idea that there was a max limit by area for a tier 10 reward. Sorry folks, I'll lay off once I cap from now on.

Etiquette... lol...

How well calls of etiquette worked with Arkfalls...
How well calls of etiquette worked with Sieges...
How well calls of etiquette worked with Arkbreaks...
How well calls of etiquette wont work with Incursions...

How well etiquette will ONLY work with Arenas (Simply because you get to CHOOSE the 3 people you co-op with.) At some point, if we get to do Arkbreaks as a CLAN, we'll have etiquette.

We all wanted a Cluster y'know of a game, and we got it. Free-For-All, the way it should be...

There is NO ETIQUETTE. I get mine, if you dont get yours, too bad.


P.S. ~ Some of us do show this "etiquette", but the fact is, the trolls are always out there, getting as much score as possible for no reason. Cap the reward without capping accumulative score = the Trolls win... Its a very simple fix, once Tier-10 is achieved, you no longer get points. Blame Trion, not the over-achievers of non-reward bonus scores.

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Originally Posted by Astropath

Doesn't being on top of the list increase your loot chance? I got a few OJs from volge sieges, but it was only the case when I was on or near the top.

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No, beyond reaching the Tier requirements, score has no bearing on quality of rewards. Everyone gets a box at the end of the event and that box is subject to the RNG. Placing first on a Leaderboard has zero effect on what comes from that box. As stated in the OP, reaching the highest Tier reward does give you a shot at a Legendary, but the chances of getting one are not made better by reaching a higher score than everyone else.

I've taken 1st at many Sieges (getting a score high enough for the best reward box) and only obtained blues or purples. I've also taken 9th place at a Dark Matter Ark Fall and was given an orange reward. Trick has verified a few times that score has no bearing on quality of reward, though the way many people play the game, it doesn't seem that well known. ;)

Stole this from myself in another thread with similar topic. I did this last night after reading this thread.

So, I'm at a Volge siege last night and around the 7 minute mark, notice I have my 40k. Being at mutant District, I go to the top of one of the arches that are abundant in that area to survey the action.

Not wanting to "steal" any of the kills, I would shoot until the health was almost gone and let whoever else was shooting get the kill.

Mind you, I could have easily doubled my own score. When the scoreboard popped, the only 3 ppl to score over 40k were me and my two clan mates. The other dozen or so ppl didn't even break 30k.

*Added*

This is not a solitary incident. It actually happens quite often. It's amazing how many people there don't give a **** about score anymore. They a there because they want to level weapons or whatever.

We had a discussion about this when the Tier Score change was announced. We even layed back, not doing any more damage after 40k.

We surmised, if you can't get 40k, aim better or get better weapons. Quite simple.

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Originally Posted by Chevota

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P.S. ~ Some of us do show this "etiquette", but the fact is, the trolls are always out there, getting as much score as possible for no reason. Cap the reward without capping accumulative score = the Trolls win... Its a very simple fix, once Tier-10 is achieved, you no longer get points. Blame Trion, not the over-achievers of non-reward bonus scores.

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Or, in game competitions. There are several on the PS3 NA server currently competing.

yeah those "top tier earners" spam nothing but detonators at spawn points. So when they do that I pull out a shield spanner/protector(the gold orb spanner) to annoy the **** out of them

I used to keep going past 20k back when 20k was still the amount. I thought it was better to do because we could progress farther in the siege and maybe hit Stage 10 if people needed that pursuit.

Now though I find myself starting to level weapons after hitting 40k. With the reduction in scaling hitting Stage 10 isn't challenging anymore. A friend and I almost cleared Stage 10 by ourselves the other day at the Quarry. Though if there are only a few people there, or everyone is Zaggering/Big Booming stuff as it spawns, I'll probably just end up keeping my Siege loadout on or I'll heal.

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Originally Posted by maverick07

I used to keep going past 20k back when 20k was still the amount. I thought it was better to do because we could progress farther in the siege and maybe hit Stage 10 if people needed that pursuit.

Now though I find myself starting to level weapons after hitting 40k. With the reduction in scaling hitting Stage 10 isn't challenging anymore. A friend and I almost cleared Stage 10 by ourselves the other day at the Quarry. Though if there are only a few people there, or everyone is Zaggering/Big Booming stuff as it spawns, I'll probably just end up keeping my Siege loadout on.

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Agreed! Me and 2 clan mates made it to stage 12 one night last week. Was a hellish battle towards the end, but oh, what a ride it was!

I think this needs to be qualified by the caveat that this practice is only helpful at a well attended Siege as this didn't help anyone at the Afflicted Siege I did earlier today. I was going to stop at 27k but after getting 22k I accidentally got the killshot on a Hulker so I put away my Boomer at 41k and used my BMG. All that happened was all the points got overrun and there were dozens of Afflicted not being killed because, other than one other player, the handful of other players there were clueless about proper weapon selection for an Afflicted Siege. That player continued to rack up kills with a detonator to get score of over 60k, but given how many Afflicted there were it had no negative impact on the other players. They simply failed to achieve a Tier 10 score because of their own performance issues.

I get to a T10 score and then switch to something I need level up/master. If I'm still killing to much when switch to casual mode then the problem is other player sucking.

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Originally Posted by jackdaws_1999

Since the doors have been blown off of my attempt to keep OJ drop rates from reaching dev ears at seiges and incursions, I thought it may be about time to write up a quick etiquette guide for those running sieges and incursions.

First of all, here is the basic scores people require for each:

Incursions at Mount Tam: 27k for teir 10.

Volge seiges and incursions: 40k for teir 10.

Afflicted seiges and incursions: 27k for teir 10.

Secondly allow me to ellaborate as to why this guide is needed. If some one gets a teir 10 from a soi (seige or incursion) then there is a good chance (not sure percentage) of getting an OJ weapon. These weapons are tradable. Thus for every person getting an OJ the pool of OJs increases. Now some people dont trade them I appreciate that, but most do. Therefore it is in everyones interests to increase the pool of available OJs.

Now onto the really complicated part.

When person A gets to the Teir 10 reward score, please stop killing enemies, please allow persons B, C - ad infinitum to try for the T10 reward also.

Therefore,

when at afflicted or mutant soi Stop at 27k score,

at Volge soi stop at 40k.

Feel free to run BMGs and heal, pick people up etc., score as much as you want in terms of heal assists, they dont affect other peoples scores, but kill stealing, damage dealing, and general ******gery may make you feel bigger about yourself, but trust me when I say "You Are Harming The OJ POOL". I am always impressed more by a big damage number followed by huge heals assist, than just a high damage number.

Now onto the first part of trolling this will recieve, No I am not a noob, I solo volge seiges and get in excess on 250k per seige. I almost never appear outside of the top 10 at arkfalls, and Im seriously big headed about my ability to kill shtako (and aint afraid to gloat about it). I am also not really that bothered by people accidentally stealing kills, or people stealing them when they dont have the t10 score limit.

However, people who reach the t10 limit, then decide to push that limit UP, are simply stealing OJs from the community in general... this is bad.

Here is what I propose (and do regularly), once you bust up some shtako and reach your t10 before anyone else, post in chat "t10, backing off". Then switch to heáls and boosting peeps around you.

Its not rocket science, its plain old uncommon sence.

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i will pay more attention to this not that i know that caps for tier 10 i knew it for the volge and when i reach 40000 around i revive and heal its great to know theres others out there im no noob! lets just say yesterday i raked in 6 oranges all usingg etiquette!!!!! i think thats what the devs are shooting for when i get num 1 spot 2 mil points i get **** i stop at cap n bam oranges purple every time !!!

I didn't know about these tier mechanics. They should show current tier on screen in sieges to let people know when to stop killing. Is it possible to get 7th Legion OJs from Incursion siege? It feels almost impossible to earn kill before someone did but I'll try to use BMG then.

BTW, I once skipped Emergencies and did only Siege part on Mont Tam Incursion and ranked on top. But I got only Siege reward, no 7th Legion reward. I think you have to deal at least one kill or damage on emergencies to get 7th Legion reward.

Anyone has got 7th Legion outfit from Incursion?

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Originally Posted by otonagamer

I didn't know about these tier mechanics. Is it possible to get 7th Legion OJs from Incursion siege? It feels almost impossible to earn kill before someone did but I'll try to use BMG then.

BTW, I once skipped Emergencies and did only Siege part on Mont Tam Incursion and ranked on top. But I got only Siege reward, no 7th Legion reward. I think you have to deal at least one kill or damage on emergencies to get 7th Legion reward.

Anyone has got 7th Legion outfit from Incursion?

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If I'm not mistaken, I think the outfits only come from the Supply Boxes. I think I've seen people talk of getting OJ 7th Legion weapons from the Incursion, but I'm a fan of evidence. While I'm not saying they're lying about it, I never take anything as fact until I see it for myself. I do believe it's possible, though.

As for the scorecard, it's jekked up. I was in an Incursion Siege with my son (he's in the next room) and we both placed on the leaderboard on our own screens. However, we weren't listed on each others screens.

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Originally Posted by Market

[...] I think I've seen people talk of getting OJ 7th Legion weapons from the Incursion, but I'm a fan of evidence. While I'm not saying they're lying about it, I never take anything as fact until I see it for myself. I do believe it's possible, though. [...]

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Am still trying to find the exact quote from the livestream, but if I'm not mistaken it was said that the 7th legion weapons that drop on the score card can only be green or blue. Purple and oranges can only be on the vendor.

I'll edit this post once I find the relevant quote if I find it.

EDIT : here, and do a find / ctrl-F on "7th legion". Question is named "Can we earn rare 7th Legion rewards from Incursions?"

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Originally Posted by Shoogli

Am still trying to find the exact quote from the livestream, but if I'm not mistaken it was said that the 7th legion weapons that drop on the score card can only be green or blue. Purple and oranges can only be on the vendor.

I'll edit this post once I find the relevant quote if I find it.

EDIT : here, and do a find / ctrl-F on "7th legion". Question is named "Can we earn rare 7th Legion rewards from Incursions?"

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Thanks for squaring that away, Shoogli! Much appreciated!! ;)