Seige and Incursion Etiquette

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Originally Posted by Market

As for the scorecard, it's jekked up. I was in an Incursion Siege with my son (he's in the next room) and we both placed on the leaderboard on our own screens. However, we weren't listed on each others screens.

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by accident, wasnt you both listed at #21 there?

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Originally Posted by DSW

by accident, wasnt you both listed at #21 there?

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I'm afraid I do not understand. :)

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Originally Posted by Shoogli

Am still trying to find the exact quote from the livestream, but if I'm not mistaken it was said that the 7th legion weapons that drop on the score card can only be green or blue. Purple and oranges can only be on the vendor.

I'll edit this post once I find the relevant quote if I find it.

EDIT : here, and do a find / ctrl-F on "7th legion". Question is named "Can we earn rare 7th Legion rewards from Incursions?"

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Thanks for the confirmation. That explains why I got only rare even when I'm ranked on top. And Market, thank you too for the reply!

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Originally Posted by Market

As for the scorecard, it's jekked up. I was in an Incursion Siege with my son (he's in the next room) and we both placed on the leaderboard on our own screens. However, we weren't listed on each others screens.

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AGREED!

Same thing happened to a few of us in Dawn Patrol as we were running an Incursion siege yesterday afternoon, but I can't remember the exact location on the map... a few of us had completely different scorecards at the end of the match.

What the jekk, Trion? C'mon man!

I'm glad that someone started a thread about this. I did an incursion last night at Kenn Farms that had 50-100 people present, and a very large percent spamming the map with boomers. I only saw enemies for maybe a second before they were gone. The Hulkers would be onscreen for maybe 15 seconds before the rounds would end (ending on like the 43rd round!).
I know that there is a segment of the population who are total score-wh.ores who think it's all about Numero Uno...top guy in that incursion had over 2 million total points (with 50+ people participating in it).
Too many people have ZERO honor when it comes to those events. I play with a small group of people and we ALL play for the req'd points and then bow out or try or break shields for easy kill points for the guy that needs'em (unless of course we are on a barren server).

Volge Sieges-40k (get your points and idle)
Afflicted Sieges-27k (get your points and idle)

Trading forum doesn't show any signs of this letting up though...several new post about "WTB Big Boomer"...***sigh***

Just sad...

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Originally Posted by NeuroticHitman

Just sad...

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Indeed. It's gotten to the point where I'll either use a Sludge Rocket and aim at the ground just to get the assist points and a piece of the drops, or I'll do that once or twice just to get some kind of score then stand around dancing until it's over. I'm not going to fight other people for kills/points.

I've bugged Trick and Dahanese about the greed-inspiring game play that was made much worse by the addition of Sieges since they put them in. It was a problem from the start with people running over Skitterlings at Ark Falls. Made infinitely worse by the scoring system at Sieges.

If the rewards were not dependent at all on your final score, I really wouldn't care much. However, they way they have it set up, many people seem to think because they hit 1st on a leaderboard that they are in some way benefiting over everyone else. Beyond hitting the minimum, it's just jekking other players out of their chances at a better reward.

Sadly, talking greedy people out of being greedy is about as pointless as screaming at the wind to stop blowing...

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Originally Posted by jackdaws_1999

Quite, but still stalling on t10 is good practise.

Another point made to me by a clan mate (read smart ar...), at ken farm incursions, ask if people want t10 guys to help either:
A) help clear mobs till hulker spawns.
B) help damage but not kill said hulkers.
C) or just drop spikes and heal.
D) combo of above.

I guess, its just down to the mood of the pugs at that time. Thoughts on this?

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There is a slim chance that this is going to happen. 90% of the players at sieges don't care about other players and will get as much points as they can. I only do the volge and i will do ken farms. all of the other ones you guys can have.

You can't even get people to wait for 24 people to do the wm. this is a fart in the wind that no-one will catch

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Originally Posted by mr8liner

There is a slim chance that this is going to happen. 90% of the players at sieges don't care about other players and will get as much points as they can. I only do the volge and i will do ken farms. all of the other ones you guys can have.

You can't even get people to wait for 24 people to do the wm. this is a fart in the wind that no-one will catch

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90-95% of the players don't frequent the forums. They haven't got ppl bytching at them to not run up the score. They haven't got a "rule book" that tells them anything.

Ppl post threads like this all the time but a huge % of the player base aren't involved in these conversations. In my opinion, you're trying to inform ppl that are already informed. Useless.

Seriously. If you search the archives, you'll find several similar threads. All saying the exact same things...

On the topic of etiquette I no longer care about starting a siege by myself. If I was there first and no one was around I used to send it out in zone chat to try to get people come and would get crickets or a very long wait. However as soon as the siege starts it seems to draw people in. Now I'll just say it in clan chat that I am at whatever siege and start it.

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Originally Posted by NeuroticHitman

Volge Sieges-40k (get your points and idle)
Afflicted Sieges-27k (get your points and idle)

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LOL, I didn't realize there was a score police.

You know, I'm an Arkhunter, I'm a greedy bastard that gives two schtakos about your scoring rules. I don't use a Boomer, I don't spawn camp, and I am routinely the baddest mutha around...

Want me to limit my score?

No.

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Originally Posted by Overtkill21

LOL, I didn't realize there was a score police.

You know, I'm an Arkhunter, I'm a greedy bastard that gives two schtakos about your scoring rules. I don't use a Boomer, I don't spawn camp, and I am routinely the baddest mutha around...

Want me to limit my score?

No.

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How Clever...and you're on PS3 so have fun with that.

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Originally Posted by NeuroticHitman

How Clever...and you're on PS3 so have fun with that.

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Awww, an XBox user? LOL how's the XBox server stability?

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Originally Posted by Overtkill21

Awww, an XBox user? LOL how's the XBox server stability?

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......... :) ..........

I was just kidding, honestly I've been dealing with the lame server since launch and if it's getting like PS3 - there's a fix:

1. Every few Sieges, Incursions, Arkfalls - quit the game and dashboard yourself - this will severely limit your forced disco's.
2. Whenever you do get forced out - dashboard again and do not reenter immediately.
3. Keep an eye on names in the immediate vicinity when you are in a WM, likely a blue name is out there - use this as an anchor to reenter the same instance and you even keep your score.

At this point I have two options.

Use a BMG
Use an Explosive

There are way too many people being forced into each shard now to play the way I would like.

I arrive at an afflicted siege and find which Hulker is being killed first so I can at least get my 2000 assist points. All other other hulkers despawn as soon as one dies so it forces me to be at the highest populated area of the siege causing me disconnects routinely. All other enemy spawn locations have at least one person pitching camp with an explosive device that kills all enemies in a fraction of a second. I've seen damage numbers fly up that indicate I should have some assist points coming but my points do not change.

So now I either use a detonator and explode an area just before enemies might appear or run around with a BMG so that I can get my assist points. Not fun, and feels forced. I guess we could start posting images of our scores so that we can praise the guys who come closest to 27000.

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Originally Posted by Zugo

At this point I have two options.

Use a BMG
Use an Explosive

There are way too many people being forced into each shard now to play the way I would like.

I arrive at an afflicted siege and find which Hulker is being killed first so I can at least get my 2000 assist points. All other other hulkers despawn as soon as one dies so it forces me to be at the highest populated area of the siege causing me disconnects routinely. All other enemy spawn locations have at least one person pitching camp with an explosive device that kills all enemies in a fraction of a second. I've seen damage numbers fly up that indicate I should have some assist points coming but my points do not change.

So now I either use a detonator and explode an area just before enemies might appear or run around with a BMG so that I can get my assist points. Not fun, and feels forced. I guess we could start posting images of our scores so that we can praise the guys who come closest to 27000.

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Its actually pretty easy to hit 27k if its heavily populated and more than 7 minutes left.

"When in Rome, do as the Romans do" Pull out your BMG and get those assist pts. Hulker gives 5k each time. He spawns on a heavy populated siege roughly every 30 secs hit 6 of them and you're top tier. When you have your points, switch to a weapon you need to level or go "Dancin' in the Street".

Personally, I enjoy the incursions and sieges on the dead shards. Allows me to use my AR properly and is much more fun!

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Originally Posted by rebtattoo

Its actually pretty easy to hit 27k if its heavily populated and more than 7 minutes left.

"When in Rome, do as the Romans do" Pull out your BMG and get those assist pts. Hulker gives 5k each time. He spawns on a heavy populated siege roughly every 30 secs hit 6 of them and you're top tier. When you have your points, switch to a weapon you need to level or go "Dancin' in the Street".

Personally, I enjoy the incursions and sieges on the dead shards. Allows me to use my AR properly and is much more fun!

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huh. Hulker gives about 2k assist on PC-EU most of time.

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Originally Posted by DSW

huh. Hulker gives about 2k assist on PC-EU most of time.

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That's dmg assist, it's 5k for heal assist.

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Originally Posted by DSW

huh. Hulker gives about 2k assist on PC-EU most of time.

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He's talking about heal assists, not damage assists. Heal assists are based on the score received by the player your healing. Since it aggregates if you have enough players linked, you will get a score based on the score of the player who got the killshot (~20k) plus any other players you're healing.

I just heal with a BMG, it helps and still gets me score after I get to teir 10!

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Originally Posted by jackdaws_1999

Now onto the first part of trolling this will recieve, No I am not a noob, I solo volge seiges and get in excess on 250k per seige. I almost never appear outside of the top 10 at arkfalls, and Im seriously big headed about my ability to kill shtako (and aint afraid to gloat about it). I am also not really that bothered by people accidentally stealing kills, or people stealing them when they dont have the t10 score limit.

However, people who reach the t10 limit, then decide to push that limit UP, are simply stealing OJs from the community in general... this is bad.

Here is what I propose (and do regularly), once you bust up some shtako and reach your t10 before anyone else, post in chat "t10, backing off". Then switch to heáls and boosting peeps around you.

Its not rocket science, its plain old uncommon sence.

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Not happening here... I regularly hit rank 10 and keep going on, my view of it is that unless you can't keep up, then no need of being in the pit of fire with me. And unless you max out blah blah weapon skills, you are likely not going to keep up with me and my ability to accurately aim. Not cheating or anything, but I prefer precision and crit kills, and others just try to put damage on target... So I steal a kill or two here and there, learn to crit kill and you wouldn't have that issue then.

What I'm in it for is to have fun and the best way I can have fun in crowds is to compare myself with them... so if someone gets t10 and backs off, well good for them. They aren't one I'll be comparing myself to, so I keep pushing because I know others will too. And even if others didn't, I would still push because as the Roccat Scientist Dr. Erik J. Dale said on the Roccat Kone XTD mouse, "Never rest. Extend yourself further in all endeavors. The future is written by those who dare." copied word for word from the box.

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Here is something Trion can do... No matter what ranking level anyone gets as long as they actively participate in the event and see it through from the time they enter it to the end of the event, they should get at least purple or gold weapon/shield chance. Then no need of people complaining about those that specifically don't care about what other people want to do for rules. There is no auction house here, so trading things is purely up to the discretion of the players, and as such no need of people to complain about them not getting any type of rewards.

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Originally Posted by Nyamara

Not happening here... I regularly hit rank 10 and keep going on, my view of it is that unless you can't keep up, then no need of being in the pit of fire with me. And unless you max out blah blah weapon skills, you are likely not going to keep up with me and my ability to accurately aim. Not cheating or anything, but I prefer precision and crit kills, and others just try to put damage on target... So I steal a kill or two here and there, learn to crit kill and you wouldn't have that issue then.

What I'm in it for is to have fun and the best way I can have fun in crowds is to compare myself with them... so if someone gets t10 and backs off, well good for them. They aren't one I'll be comparing myself to, so I keep pushing because I know others will too. And even if others didn't, I would still push because as the Roccat Scientist Dr. Erik J. Dale said on the Roccat Kone XTD mouse, "Never rest. Extend yourself further in all endeavors. The future is written by those who dare." copied word for word from the box.

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Here is something Trion can do... No matter what ranking level anyone gets as long as they actively participate in the event and see it through from the time they enter it to the end of the event, they should get at least purple or gold weapon/shield chance. Then no need of people complaining about those that specifically don't care about what other people want to do for rules. There is no auction house here, so trading things is purely up to the discretion of the players, and as such no need of people to complain about them not getting any type of rewards.

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So when you get to the party eat all the cupcakes and leave nothing for the rest so that you can "extend yourself further". I think of myself as an overall selfish person but I don't see your point when it comes to this topic. Does this make you feel superior in some way?

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Originally Posted by Nyamara

Not happening here... I regularly hit rank 10 and keep going on, my view of it is that unless you can't keep up, then no need of being in the pit of fire with me. And unless you max out blah blah weapon skills, you are likely not going to keep up with me and my ability to accurately aim. Not cheating or anything, but I prefer precision and crit kills, and others just try to put damage on target... So I steal a kill or two here and there, learn to crit kill and you wouldn't have that issue then.

What I'm in it for is to have fun and the best way I can have fun in crowds is to compare myself with them... so if someone gets t10 and backs off, well good for them. They aren't one I'll be comparing myself to, so I keep pushing because I know others will too. And even if others didn't, I would still push because as the Roccat Scientist Dr. Erik J. Dale said on the Roccat Kone XTD mouse, "Never rest. Extend yourself further in all endeavors. The future is written by those who dare." copied word for word from the box.

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Here is something Trion can do... No matter what ranking level anyone gets as long as they actively participate in the event and see it through from the time they enter it to the end of the event, they should get at least purple or gold weapon/shield chance. Then no need of people complaining about those that specifically don't care about what other people want to do for rules. There is no auction house here, so trading things is purely up to the discretion of the players, and as such no need of people to complain about them not getting any type of rewards.

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No one can tell you how to play the game. But if you continue to just go in with this overly-competitive attitude, you will most likely find that you're playing alone. There is a co-op element to this game. If you like to beat everyone else to boost your own self-esteem, people will not like you. PVP is for being competitive so you should just go focus on that and stop spoiling everyone else's fun with your need to win everything. I don't see how it would be fun to win every time; I would think that would get as boring and tiresome for you as for the rest of us that continually put up with your crap. Again, can't make you cooperate but if you choose not to cooperate with other players, they will not like you. Just pay attention to that inevitable outcome and don't complain about it later. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Originally Posted by dramaQkarri

No one can tell you how to play the game. But if you continue to just go in with this overly-competitive attitude, you will most likely find that you're playing alone. There is a co-op element to this game. If you like to beat everyone else to boost your own self-esteem, people will not like you. PVP is for being competitive so you should just go focus on that and stop spoiling everyone else's fun with your need to win everything. I don't see how it would be fun to win every time; I would think that would get as boring and tiresome for you as for the rest of us that continually put up with your crap. Again, can't make you cooperate but if you choose not to cooperate with other players, they will not like you. Just pay attention to that inevitable outcome and don't complain about it later. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Thats pretty much why I stopped going to sieges and incursions.
Now I avoid a lot of places I used to have fun at before the scoring got stupid. Spamming a spawn point with a dozen Boomers indeed.
I'm mostly just leveling snipers at deserted places, and finding myself getting ready to follow all my friends who left a long time ago.
And I'm taking the rest of my money with me.

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Originally Posted by Binky

Thats pretty much why I stopped going to sieges and incursions.
Now I avoid a lot of places I used to have fun at before the scoring got stupid. Spamming a spawn point with a dozen Boomers indeed.
I'm mostly just leveling snipers at deserted places, and finding myself getting ready to follow all my friends who left a long time ago.
And I'm taking the rest of my money with me.

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Yep, I figured out last night I only need to level weapons to get to 5000, so I'm all about playing alone anyway. The lag is so bad as soon as I group or go do anything I get DC'd anyway. Only thing I will do is maybe some arkfalls but again, I leave as soon as a few others show up.

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Originally Posted by Nyamara

Not happening here... I regularly hit rank 10 and keep going on, my view of it is that unless you can't keep up, then no need of being in the pit of fire with me. And unless you max out blah blah weapon skills, you are likely not going to keep up with me and my ability to accurately aim. Not cheating or anything, but I prefer precision and crit kills, and others just try to put damage on target... So I steal a kill or two here and there, learn to crit kill and you wouldn't have that issue then.

What I'm in it for is to have fun and the best way I can have fun in crowds is to compare myself with them... so if someone gets t10 and backs off, well good for them. They aren't one I'll be comparing myself to, so I keep pushing because I know others will too. And even if others didn't, I would still push because as the Roccat Scientist Dr. Erik J. Dale said on the Roccat Kone XTD mouse, "Never rest. Extend yourself further in all endeavors. The future is written by those who dare." copied word for word from the box.

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Here is something Trion can do... No matter what ranking level anyone gets as long as they actively participate in the event and see it through from the time they enter it to the end of the event, they should get at least purple or gold weapon/shield chance. Then no need of people complaining about those that specifically don't care about what other people want to do for rules. There is no auction house here, so trading things is purely up to the discretion of the players, and as such no need of people to complain about them not getting any type of rewards.

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Congrats, you're everything that's wrong with online gaming in general... be on the lookout for your e-cookie in the mail.

BTW, which platform do you play on?

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Originally Posted by dramaqkarri

no one can tell you how to play the game. But if you continue to just go in with this overly-competitive attitude, you will most likely find that you're playing alone. There is a co-op element to this game. If you like to beat everyone else to boost your own self-esteem, people will not like you. Pvp is for being competitive so you should just go focus on that and stop spoiling everyone else's fun with your need to win everything. I don't see how it would be fun to win every time; i would think that would get as boring and tiresome for you as for the rest of us that continually put up with your crap. Again, can't make you cooperate but if you choose not to cooperate with other players, they will not like you. Just pay attention to that inevitable outcome and don't complain about it later. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

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EXACTLY!!!!

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congrats, you're everything that's wrong with online gaming in general... Be on the lookout for your e-cookie in the mail.

Btw, which platform do you play on?

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AGAIN...EXACTLY!!
I have ZERO problem "keeping up" with people in this game, and if you are on the 360 you will see me near the top of events (excluding the broken PvP that I don't participate in)...however that is beside the point. I enjoy being at the top the same as everyone else, but what do you get out of it? There is ZERO benefit for having 80k points in a volge siege when you only require 40k for a Tier 10 reward (aside form a fleeting bragging right that is not tracked in-game and disappears as quickly as it appears).
I'm a very competitive man, but I also know how to moderate myself.
This is a "COMMUNITY". If someone needs help I will help them, because long ago when I was new, there were people around willing to help me out.

I'm not too worried about mentalities such as yours because that sort of arrogance tends to work itself out on its own :)
Cheers.

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Originally Posted by NeuroticHitman

I'm not too worried about mentalities such as yours because that sort of arrogance tends to work itself out on its own :)
Cheers.

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EXACTLY!!! Back at ya.

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Originally Posted by Market

As for the scorecard, it's jekked up. I was in an Incursion Siege with my son (he's in the next room) and we both placed on the leaderboard on our own screens. However, we weren't listed on each others screens.

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I have a clan mate I frequently do activities with; in the last week or so, we can't see each others names on scoreboards for: arkfalls, warmaster, sieges and incursions about 80% of the time - weird (or should I say - Defiance)

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Originally Posted by Nyamara

Not happening here... I regularly hit rank 10 and keep going on, my view of it is that unless you can't keep up, then no need of being in the pit of fire with me. .

I]Never rest. Extend yourself further in all endeavors. The future is written by those who dare.[/I]" copied word for word from the box.

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I'm all for extending yourself, but it seems you're more about kicking sand in people's faces. I too, can put up some decent scores at events, but I also try & help other players when I can - this is supposed to be a "cooperative" game unless you're playing PVP. imo

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Originally Posted by TASHINKA

I have a clan mate I frequently do activities with; in the last week or so, we can't see each others names on scoreboards for: arkfalls, warmaster, sieges and incursions about 80% of the time - weird (or should I say - Defiance)

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It's almost like the argument of comparing ones self to others in an event is quite invalid, huh? ;)

I'm glad that other people here responded to the "post of ever-dripping selfishness" because I've been biting my fingers over it since its posting. lol

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Originally Posted by TASHINKA

I have a clan mate I frequently do activities with; in the last week or so, we can't see each others names on scoreboards for: arkfalls, warmaster, sieges and incursions about 80% of the time - weird (or should I say - Defiance)

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I did a Bolinas siege with Greg (Overload/UT) some months back on a live stream.
We got there at the same time, and were fighting together, but got separated at mid siege when another cap point opened up.
We were both in the top 20 on the scoreboard but we ended up scored on different scoreboards because we ended up fighting in or on different shards. It's all very complicated and involves mysticism and sacrificing goats and chickens to various IT deities, but, shtako happens.

The 'Different Shards' explanation was put forth by Trick.

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Originally Posted by Shoogli

That's dmg assist, it's 5k for heal assist.

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Originally Posted by Deunan

He's talking about heal assists, not damage assists. Heal assists are based on the score received by the player your healing. Since it aggregates if you have enough players linked, you will get a score based on the score of the player who got the killshot (~20k) plus any other players you're healing.

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somewhat unexpected behavior to me

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Originally Posted by Binky

I did a Bolinas siege with Greg (Overload/UT) some months back on a live stream.
We got there at the same time, and were fighting together, but got separated at mid siege when another cap point opened up.
We were both in the top 20 on the scoreboard but we ended up scored on different scoreboards because we ended up fighting in or on different shards. It's all very complicated and involves mysticism and sacrificing goats and chickens to various IT deities, but, shtako happens.

The 'Different Shards' explanation was put forth by Trick.

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I don't completely understand the shard thing, but how can you be at the same event at the same time as another player and be on a different "shard"?? thinking about it is killing my brain cells

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Originally Posted by TASHINKA

I have a clan mate I frequently do activities with; in the last week or so, we can't see each others names on scoreboards for: arkfalls, warmaster, sieges and incursions about 80% of the time - weird (or should I say - Defiance)

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Defiance. Definitely Defiance! lol

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Originally Posted by TASHINKA

I don't completely understand the shard thing, but how can you be at the same event at the same time as another player and be on a different "shard"?? thinking about it is killing my brain cells

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When more people showed up, it got crowded.
When it got too crowded for the instance, the server ninja-split the crowd into 2 shards to lessen the crowd density.
During the instance.

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Originally Posted by Binky

When more people showed up, it got crowded.
When it got too crowded for the instance, the server ninja-split the crowd into 2 shards to lessen the crowd density.
During the instance.

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thank you - your explanation does make sense - the game doesn't like large crowds - but this has happened at sparsely populated events as well

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Originally Posted by TASHINKA

thank you - your explanation does make sense - the game doesn't like large crowds - but this has happened at sparsely populated events as well

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I don't pretend to know it all, but I'm under the impression that it does that when it has to re-shuffle crowds, and at that point it might be shuffling people from crowded #1 and half-crowded #2 into semi-crowded numbers 1, 2, and 3.

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

It's the return of Fafa Man's dancy dance protocol!
When you get to the top tier, dancy dance!
http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...ighlight=dance

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Thanks for this thread! I ran around healing others while I was dancing in my mind (apparently I cannot do both at the same time). It was strangely satisfying since I knew there was no benefit to going beyond 40,000. I came 6th while others were up at 80,000. Does coming in first place secure me a place in heaven? Does it make all the men fall at my feet in utter awe (yes, I am female)? No, coming first does none of those things. While coming in first is satisfying, I can stroke my ego in other ways.

Two nights ago on PS3 NA I organized 2 successful Warmaster events. I advertised over zone chat for over an hour, had people make a commitment to showing up and then we went crazy on him once we had enough fire power in the room. It was a lot of fun and a few people even got a legendary weapon. I was not the top scorer and I did not get a legendary but I was happier than a pig in poop because others were happy. In my opinion, that is what community is all about.