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  • 03-08-2014, 06:57 PM
    Amack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p View Post
    As I've read through a few of the most recent posts in this thread, I'm reminded of that age old statement...

    "Perception is reality."

    Perhaps that does apply to real life... but this online game, is far from real life...

    If you are going to perceive things as reality, then your reality will be very distorted.

    I can't see atoms, but I am sure they are there.

    No one has sailed around the world yet... so that must mean it is flat.
  • 03-08-2014, 06:58 PM
    N3gativeCr33p
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    Perhaps that does apply to real life... but this online game, is far from real life...

    Seriously... what color is the sky in your world? This has everything to do with real life. We're not trapped in the Matrix here, Neo.
  • 03-08-2014, 07:05 PM
    Amack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p View Post
    Seriously... what color is the sky in your world? This has everything to do with real life. We're not trapped in the Matrix here, Neo.

    Read the edit.

    I should ask you the same question, no?

    Ignorance is no excuse for your reality.
  • 03-08-2014, 07:07 PM
    N3gativeCr33p
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    Read the edit.

    Yeah, and you still make absolutely no sense.

    Enjoy that Kool-Aid while there's still some left. I'm done trying to talk to someone who lacks common sense to begin with.

    Buh bye.
  • 03-08-2014, 07:11 PM
    Arsenic_Touch
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post

    The vehicle disappearing problem is a symptom of overloaded shards, I am almost positive about this, but don't quote me on it. Once the shard system is properly setup and populated, hopefully (crosses fingers) it will fix the vehicles as well.

    So tell me why vehicles disappear on the alpha client with only a few people testing it?
  • 03-08-2014, 07:14 PM
    Amack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch View Post
    So tell me why vehicles disappear on the alpha client with only a few people testing it?

    Oh boy.. lol. If you want me to say that I don't know the exact cause then... I don't know the exact cause, do you feel better now?

    I was simply stating that my vehicle disappears constantly when I play on the busy shard for whatever reason, yet in the past few weeks of playing on the quiet shards, it hasn't left me once.

    I specifically said don't quote me on it since it was just my observation, but you did anyway, haha.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p View Post
    Yeah, and you still make absolutely no sense.

    Enjoy that Kool-Aid while there's still some left. I'm done trying to talk to someone who lacks common sense to begin with.

    Buh bye.

    Maybe I have no common sense, but I do have something that was enough for me to figure out shards were spawning infinitely. That is good enough for me.

    I find issues... serious issues... unlike bungee cords for example. Is that why I get treated this way? I think it is! Dats Otay...
  • 03-08-2014, 07:25 PM
    crasher
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    snip

    I don't particularly "like" the way that Trion treats its own players when it comes to Defiance... but I am resigned to the fact that I can do nothing about it and don't waste my time trying.

    If North Korea and/or Trion wants their people to be happy, they will change their procedures, it is that simple.
    I can't force either of them to make it so.

    If TRION wants my money, they can choose to listen to me or not, and accept the consequences of the path they take.

    Do I tell TRION what to do?
    No, of course not.

    Does TRION know what I, and the tens of people who still play the game, want?
    No, not without being told. (clearly they didn't have a clue when the majority of the people who were playing just stopped logging in without ever saying a thing about why. One can infer it was because of things conditions that were extant.)

    Am I willing to speak once, hope for the best, and just shrug and quietly walk away from something that I like/enjoy?
    Why should I let something I like/enjoy turn into something that even FEWER people like and enjoy with me, after multitudes of people already called it quits?

    You/TRION want me to have no opinion, or to just shut up and take 'it', or maybe just quit?
    Say the word.
    Drive me away.
    Pull my access.
    Pull my access to the game.
    This isn't a threat, I hold no power over anything but my own time and money.
    And one fewer player will be there in the desolate wastes of a dead shard when that one other person is deciding to try and play or just log off because no one is on line.

    A school of fish is made up of uncountable individual fish.
    It's not impossible to run out of fish.
    All you have to do is kill them just a little bit faster than they are replaced.
  • 03-08-2014, 07:33 PM
    Bonehead
    My question is "was the above post productive?"

    I vote yes.

    I mean if we were voting.
  • 03-08-2014, 07:33 PM
    Amack
    If I wanted you to go away Crasher, I sure as hell would not be here right now.

    When you say I don't want you to have opinions, the American in me becomes very insulted.

    When you say the "tens of people", it does not help your arguments since that number is so greatly under exaggerated.

    How long have you been repeating the same thing about people leaving? I think the fact that this game still exists gets on your nerves sometimes. I will be the first to admit though, that is only my perception of it, and that my perception does not reflect reality very well does it?
  • 03-08-2014, 07:43 PM
    crasher
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    Snip....

    I think the fact that this game still exists gets on your nerves sometimes. I will be the first to admit though, that is only my perception of it, and that my perception does not reflect reality very well does it?

    Dude:
    I love this game so much, you don't even know.

    Sometimes I play this game in the middle of the night just to watch the sky, and listen to the wind, with the music playing in the background.

    Sometimes I go to the New Freedom, just to watch what the devs and artists all came together to create.

    I love watching the ground as I walk over it.
    Watching the sunrise.
    Watching an ArkBreak come crashing down.
    Watching the sky during a night time Ark event.
    Just watching a scrapper mongral is amazing.

    Go to Head First crater, and dance with the skitts (after you kill all the warriors, first.)
    Amazing.

    This place is skruggin beautiful in so many ways.
    I wish it would go on forever and everybody could see it.

    I'm still willing to spend money on this game the way (I'm willing to bet) the next 25 new players combined wouldn't even consider.
  • 03-08-2014, 07:46 PM
    Amack
    I know you love it, that was my point.
    I love it too. I love it so much, that if I have nothing good to say, I don't say anything at all unless it is imperative to the survival of the game. I would hate to think of a potential player coming to these forums in order to try and determine whether they want to play or not, and then basing that decision on one of my negative posts.

    Goodness man, I've been in the quiet shards trying to catch the "lost players" before they give up and logout. I hope you see the point I am trying to make. If people "love" this game so much, they should rethink the methods they use to support it.
  • 03-08-2014, 07:47 PM
    Bonehead
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    *snip*
    that is only my perception of it, and that my perception does not reflect reality very well does it?

    Mack, the point is that your perception is your reality.
  • 03-08-2014, 07:52 PM
    Amack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bonehead View Post
    Mack, the point is that your perception is your reality.

    No, the point is I am open minded enough to realize that my perception is rarely reality.

    If I followed your line of thought, then I too would think Trion wants this game dead when they have proven to me otherwise.
  • 03-08-2014, 07:53 PM
    Bonehead
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    No, the point is I am open minded enough to realize that my perception is rarely reality.

    That explains much my friend.
  • 03-08-2014, 07:57 PM
    Amack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bonehead View Post
    That explains much my friend.

    What are you trying to say exactly? It's okay I won't be offended.

    I think you took my wording the wrong way.

    People have continued to make mistakes throughout history, believing that their perception was reality.

    Am I to understand that since Hitler perceived a perfect race of beings, that his perception was grounded in reality?

    Since no one has sailed around the world, it must be flat?

    Perhaps our Earth is the center of the universe because it looks that way from where I am standing?
  • 03-08-2014, 08:01 PM
    Bonehead
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    What are you trying to say exactly? It's okay I won't be offended.

    I rarely ever "try" to say anything. I say it, or I don't.
  • 03-08-2014, 08:13 PM
    Amack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bonehead View Post
    I rarly ever "try" to say anything. I say it, or I don't.

    Well then... maybe Trion wants this game dead because they don't listen to us and make changes we would prefer not to make?

    I mean... when a company replaces CEOs and what not, that wouldn't infer that the company is under some kind of turmoil, would it? Massive downsizing. Community reps leaving. Must I go on?

    Oh screw it, as much as I would love to continue this conversation, I find it much more fun to actually play the game so that is what I am going to do.
  • 03-08-2014, 08:13 PM
    crasher
    You each get a balloon.

    Nobody is getting my thread closed over bad jokes.
  • 03-08-2014, 08:25 PM
    Bonehead
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crasher View Post
    You each get a balloon.

    Nobody is getting my thread closed over bad jokes.

    I would like a red one please.
    (if bad jokes are off the table, I am screwed)
  • 03-08-2014, 08:37 PM
    Critical Errors
    Don't know anymore what the topic of this thread is.... Lol

    I could be way off base here, but it seems to me that the vehicle ejection seat started around the same time as the vehicle respawn times were adjusted. Also, while I haven't pulled out a stopwatch to test it, the ejection seems to happen at the same time as a vehicle would despawn with no passenger's. That would lead me to believe that the vehicle is not registering quickly enough that a person is in it. Similar to how you often have to call down your vehicle twice after fast traveling. There is some sort of memory leak, latency delay in the vehicle spawn timer.... Someone tell them to try extending the timer out to see if that changes something... I never get a response from the dev team, so someone else try :p
  • 03-08-2014, 09:12 PM
    StrikerF91
    Well as far as dead shards go I had just all of last week to play on a shards with other people because as of last night I am back on a dead ones havent been able to find player again. To make it even better today by my self I could not even play I had so much lag I could not do any thing. Ever time I got close to something to do Lag Lag Lag. Not to say when I was in a shard with players It was any better some lag at ark falls just about ever ark brake I tryed to enter I got kicked and had to log back in. Also when befor last week I spent over a month in dead shards I put in a ticket looking for help. I was told was there was no way to be put in a dead shard because there is only ONE shard for all of 360 na players and only ONE shard for 360 eu players. I guessing at this point this is bull and once again they doint want to say what is realy going on.

    So at this point I think if they can come up with any other was to kill the game that will be in dlc 5
  • 03-08-2014, 11:00 PM
    Holy Bahamut3
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by StrikerF91 View Post
    Well as far as dead shards go I had just all of last week to play on a shards with other people because as of last night I am back on a dead ones havent been able to find player again. To make it even better today by my self I could not even play I had so much lag I could not do any thing. Ever time I got close to something to do Lag Lag Lag. Not to say when I was in a shard with players It was any better some lag at ark falls just about ever ark brake I tryed to enter I got kicked and had to log back in. Also when befor last week I spent over a month in dead shards I put in a ticket looking for help. I was told was there was no way to be put in a dead shard because there is only ONE shard for all of 360 na players and only ONE shard for 360 eu players. I guessing at this point this is bull and once again they doint want to say what is realy going on.

    So at this point I think if they can come up with any other was to kill the game that will be in dlc 5

    I think you may be right, the only "DLC" we liked thus far was Arkbreaker (DLC 2) and they broke that with weapon nerfs, disconnect issues, and now the anti-reward system about to be implemented. I can't wait to see what "DLC 5" will ruin next.
  • 03-09-2014, 06:15 AM
    crasher
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Critical Errors View Post
    Don't know anymore what the topic of this thread is.... Lol

    I could be way off base here, but it seems to me that the vehicle ejection seat started around the same time as the vehicle respawn times were adjusted. Also, while I haven't pulled out a stopwatch to test it, the ejection seems to happen at the same time as a vehicle would despawn with no passenger's. That would lead me to believe that the vehicle is not registering quickly enough that a person is in it. Similar to how you often have to call down your vehicle twice after fast traveling. There is some sort of memory leak, latency delay in the vehicle spawn timer.... Someone tell them to try extending the timer out to see if that changes something... I never get a response from the dev team, so someone else try :p

    I logged in fresh, was running around SanFran and lost 2 ATVs.
    Both lost ATVs had traveled about a half kilometer to a kilometer when they <<poofed>>.

    If the server can't register that quickly enough at 8AM EST on a Sunday morning, 3 hours after a server restart and on a client with a reasonably new log in, we gots issues.

    A little while later I had several go wheel-less and airborne.
    The last one was flying as usual with no wheels and got my 1080, again.
    But this time I got a pic snapped off and posted.
    http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...=1#post1426629

    Again, this was all within about an hour of login.

    I've gone from server reboot to server reboot during the EL weekend with less issue.
    Software gets better with patches, right?
    Else why would they put the patches out, right?
  • 03-09-2014, 06:46 AM
    Critical Errors
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crasher View Post
    I logged in fresh, was running around SanFran and lost 2 ATVs.
    Both lost ATVs had traveled about a half kilometer to a kilometer when they <<poofed>>.

    If the server can't register that quickly enough at 8AM EST on a Sunday morning, 3 hours after a server restart and on a client with a reasonably new log in, we gots issues.

    A little while later I had several go wheel-less and airborne.
    The last one was flying as usual with no wheels and got my 1080, again.
    But this time I got a pic snapped off and posted.
    http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...=1#post1426629

    Again, this was all within about an hour of login.

    I've gone from server reboot to server reboot during the EL weekend with less issue.
    Software gets better with patches, right?
    Else why would they put the patches out, right?


    Software gets better in other games, so yes, you'd think that would carry over to this game....

    The fact that we get the ejection seat on low usage times and on dead servers shows that the bug is server side, and not client connection. Not sure if the wheels falling off a vehicle has happened to me, but maybe it's just an ATV thing. I drive my black challenger for the most part. I'll have to try out your hoverbike!
  • 03-09-2014, 07:39 AM
    Manstan
    Sorry for skipping several pages of this thread. I was down yesterday so didn't get on much and missed most of this.

    ""Does the new scoring system in Gunslinger punish solo players?

    We are actively punishing players who die a lot, so if you are a person who died a lot regardless of the
    strategy, it will be a painful update for you and you will have to get good at surviving."


    Yes and I stated at the time, a few times, that did not answer the question. And I really didn't like the tone of his voice when he said it. It almost felt insulting to a soloist player. Sort of like saying "you soloists die all the damned time anyway, so...".

    If my character goes down it is usually from stubbornness, just staying up in the face of an enemy for too long, or getting my self stuck in an over whelming situation; "where did those other 9 guys come from O.O". Should I be penalized for dieing? Sure. Should I be penalized for being a soloist? HELL NO! In this game you are a soloist quit often out of necessity.

    Now you will get no argument from me on the common issues everyone; well a majority of people, agree on. Thing is a lot of these issues never should have made it off the alpha server.

    I used to do a lot of alpha and beta testing. But game developers have changed there philosophy over the years. Used to be you worked with the game devs to sort issues, find bugs, and discuss game play mechanics. And I mean in the trenches lol Now alpha testing is just bug crash testing and the players; quite often good, advise and opinions are ignored. I was in the alpha for this, logged hundreds of bugs, pointed out dozens of game mechanics issues, gave pages of suggestions. That made no difference. I knew the shape the game was in at release, I'd been slapped by the developers attitude during the alpha, and was not about to buy in at release.

    So here it is almost a year later and what surprises me most about this game, it's still running. But you will have to hand it to the developers for consistency.
    Yes, I love the game play, it's a real smooth TPS. But aside from the infected and the volge{?} there is nothing new to the game. {no I don't have any DLCs} This is pretty much the same game I was playing in alpha, but I don't feel obliged to pug shadow wars. ;)

    I don't know, I get a bit worked up at times and have to go do something else. But with all the issues and aggravations with the game, the one thing that irritates me to no end is we have a good dozen old game warhorses on this forum, that know and agree on how to make this game great. With their advice and suggestions this could be a top ten MMO, but know one that can make those suggestions real in game is listening.
  • 03-09-2014, 08:04 AM
    crasher
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Critical Errors View Post
    Software gets better in other games, so yes, you'd think that would carry over to this game....

    The fact that we get the ejection seat on low usage times and on dead servers shows that the bug is server side, and not client connection. Not sure if the wheels falling off a vehicle has happened to me, but maybe it's just an ATV thing. I drive my black challenger for the most part. I'll have to try out your hoverbike!

    Never drive my Challenger... can't stand the sound of an over-revving engine with no oil :)

    No wheels on a Duni:
    http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...=1#post1408356
  • 03-09-2014, 09:56 AM
    N3gativeCr33p
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Critical Errors View Post
    The fact that we get the ejection seat on low usage times and on dead servers shows that the bug is server side, and not client connection. Not sure if the wheels falling off a vehicle has happened to me, but maybe it's just an ATV thing. I drive my black challenger for the most part. I'll have to try out your hoverbike!

    Okay, then... so it's not just happening to me. Quite refreshing to hear this. :)

    FWIW... random vehicle ejections happen to me, regardless of the vehicle I'm using... medi buggy, pink duni, red Challenger, etc etc.
  • 03-09-2014, 01:35 PM
    Critical Errors
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by N3gativeCr33p View Post
    Okay, then... so it's not just happening to me. Quite refreshing to hear this. :)

    FWIW... random vehicle ejections happen to me, regardless of the vehicle I'm using... medi buggy, pink duni, red Challenger, etc etc.

    Nope, not just you :D There are most likely less people this doesn't happen to than the number of people it does effect. I was just attempting to get someone to time the occurrence in relationship to unmanned vehicle despawn. I'm not at home this weekend, so I can't test that theory. Plus it's not always occurring, which makes it harder to test... But yes, the eject sequence is for all vehicles apparently.
    Crasher and I werealsoo talking about vehicles that forget they need wheels, and that's why I was commenting about which vehicles it happens to. I want to fly around in my Nomad :p
  • 03-09-2014, 01:41 PM
    Amack
    I just drove from IDR to Muir Processing (where there was an active incursion with many people). I can see my vehicle shimmer on each phase crossing. This shimmer resembles the same graphic as when your vehicles shields fully recharge, except you will have full vehicle shields when you see it. I had no ejection happen until I reached the area around Muir with the people and incursion. Perhaps I worded it wrong. A phase with many people in it can cause the vehicle to eject. If there are multiple phases with many people (as is the case right after reset, as well as the single shard on the test server) then it seems to me that it can happen almost anywhere in the shard.

    Point being however, if they would more evenly distribute the players into the shards, it would also more evenly distribute the players into the phases in those shards. That isn't even a resolution to the actual problem, it would be more of a band-aid, and would not be guaranteed to eliminate the issue entirely.
  • 03-09-2014, 08:18 PM
    Ashlocke
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    No one has sailed around the world yet... so that must mean it is flat.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Around_...sailing_record

    Just thought I'd link this, it's some interesting info.
  • 03-10-2014, 01:30 AM
    drackiller
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ashlocke View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Around_...sailing_record

    Just thought I'd link this, it's some interesting info.

    I think that Amak was just being sarcastic, i think:)

    But let`s call the man is real name, the man who did the first circum navigation was called Fernão Magalhães.
    He was a Portuguese sailor.
  • 03-10-2014, 01:33 AM
    Amack
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by drackiller View Post
    I think that Amak was just being sarcastic, i think:)

    But let`s call the man is real name, the man who did the first circum navigation was called Fernão Magalhães.
    He was a Portuguese sailor.

    Thx Drac, there are just some things I can't bring myself to respond to.
  • 03-10-2014, 07:37 AM
    Ashlocke
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Amack View Post
    Thx Drac, there are just some things I can't bring myself to respond to.

    The irony is that my reply was on my belief based on context clues that you "weren't" being sarcastic.
    Your reply based on context clues indicates that your belief is that I "was" being sarcastic.

    After that sinks in, my reply can be summed up with:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zANvYB93u2g

    And in case there is any doubt, all of the above is intended as comic relief and to be taken as humor.
  • 03-10-2014, 07:40 AM
    Bonehead
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ashlocke View Post
    The irony is that my reply was on my belief based on context clues that you "weren't" being sarcastic.
    Your reply based on context clues indicates that your belief is that I "was" being sarcastic.

    After that sinks in, my reply can be summed up with:

    I just think they needed a bigger boat.
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