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Thanks to everyone at Trion. DLC 5 gets it right. No more do we have 100 people crushing 3 baddies. The game now requires skill and planning. If you don't like the changes, I recommend Candyland or Chutes and Ladders. Games should be challenging with a real threat of losing, otherwise why play? DLC 5 makes Defiance the game it always should have been, in my opinion. Great, great job Trion!
Yes, because you're some kind of "child" if you would prefer that a single contract mission didn't take 45 minutes to an hour to finish. I like how ad-hominem and false equivalencies are the best the apologists can come up with.
Some people really like bullet sponges is all.
I like the game a lot more now too. However, a lot of people do like casual games, which this started out as. As such, there is a giant shock going through a lot of the vocal community.
What's the point of Farmville? I dunno, but people play it.
@Bonehead
I like sponges. The kind you clean with and that little dude that lives in the sea. ;)
I think some of the scaling instances need to be looked at. That being said:
I really do like the level of intensity in the Expert Co-op's that I have participated in. Glad that there is now a hard mode. The rest of the world, not so much. It shouldn't take a group of 5 ppl 20 minutes to complete Parrabas, when I can do it solo, for more reward, in 1/2 the time.
Double edged sword that The Company fell onto, IMO.
I LOVE that little dude!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm58
no one likes a see u next tuesday....Quote:
Originally Posted by BarrySciFi
Shouldnt hate on people because they didnt want the game they loved to change for a money scheme... What are you, 12??? I havent played new dlc yet, but Im sure theres pros and cons, althouigh it seems alot more of cons right now. I love a challenging game just as much as the next competitive multiplayer does, but I also loved how defiance let you play alongside everyone no matter what level, and was a "social" type experience. I didnt play defiance for the "challenge" because for one, the mechanics arent really good enough imo. So I, for one, am kinda partial and didnt want the change. Not because I like chutes and latters and powder-puff games, but because I played defiance because it fulfilled in other ways.
I like Candyland, Chutes & Ladders not so much :) some people like the changes, some people don't; not necessary to be insulting
Spot on!Quote:
Originally Posted by rebtattoo
The truth is in the middle here. Trion really needed to up the pace in Defiance, it was too easy. BUT, overdoing it greatly is another story lol. Bulletsponges summarizes it nicely.
- A daily contract should be done within 10 minutes. Regardless of the amount of players present and their EGO's. The reward will otherwise not be worth the trouble.
- A new player or low EGO should never be confronted with feeling like their shooting a waterpistol and dont even scratch the badguys in open world, no matter who else is present at the scene.
- Intentional and unintentional griefing by higher EGO's (scaling up the enemies on purpose or by accident) should never been made possible.
On a positive note:
- I played the expert coop (i'm EGO 4400'ish). I suffered, i died a lot and loved it every ince of the way!
The rewards however are bad! Trion, please! A week of grinding and being succesfull for 1 mod? 2,5 weeks for a weapon? 12,5 weeks to be able to pass that one longlasting pursuit? So much Arkfolge required to upgrade a legendary weapon that we already own? And so little Arkfolge to be found per day? But am offering a very expensive shortcut in the store?
Trion, it smells like pure greed. And that's a bad thing. Sure, i understand you're a commercial company. And yes, you need to make money that got lost somewhere else in the whole Defiance-expedition. But could you please TRY to keep it within reason? No one at the company ever feel like their doing a bad thing? Must be! First you charge 80 bucks for a random given Legendary weapon, and now this... 20 bucks for 1000 EGO levels. C'mon...
Chutes and Ladders has actually been around for 4200 years.
I'm with rebtattoo: there are some things in this DLC that came out really well (like Expert co-ops), some things with the potential to be big improvements but which need a good bit of tweaking (too many to list...just glance at the first page here in General Discussion), and some things that are just completely fubar (Major Arkbreaks).
Of course, this DLC wasn't remotely ready for live release...but such is reality in the gaming business today.
LOL, I guess you don't do the Warmaster very often or doing dailies solo. A lot of changes were done so people have to spend money (real money) to get what they want. 15 keys max......only putting your equipment at 75% of your level..... nerfing legendary drops......being able to level up so fast now. Yea, great DLC.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarrySciFi
ROFL, love the way you think! That's close but not quite. If anyone wants a little history lesson:Quote:
Originally Posted by PTR47
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakes_and_ladders
This Is New content may not be what you.... expected.... but like in real life..... there are NEW variable's to deal with....
Again is the glass half empty or is it half full .......everyone has their own perceptions.....
I think it is Great and will only get better.
I Hope every one enjoys the new Defiance. If we all spend a little time helping one another we can move mountains.
happy trails
panheadjim
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Originally Posted by dramaQkarri
http://archaeology.about.com/od/anth...t/58-Holes.htm
Believe we mentioned it in the difficulty balance thread, we'll be bumping the drop quality of higher-threat mobs to bring it in line with where it should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebtattoo
http://i.minus.com/iv8yP5dFqJFKM.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by BarrySciFi
aha! thanks! oops...derail...Quote:
Originally Posted by PTR47
One of the smartest replies to this whole fiasco yet. I don't know why it comes as a complete shock to gamers that not everyone wants or enjoys the same level of challenge in a game, and it is perfectly acceptable for games of all types and genres to appeal to those casual players. That is what made Defiance great, and that is what has been lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm58
Indeed gaming professional, indeed. The open world should not have been touched, aside to tweak the original scaling system to make the mobs a bit more bullet spongy during big zergfests. Adding the higher tier difficulty co-ops, and other instanced group content, should be the only change in difficulty necessary for this game. The "l33t" players will then have their content, separate and unaffecting the rest of the game, and those who played and enjoyed Defiance for what it was can have their game back.Quote:
Originally Posted by oasis387
Was hoping to see a thread of this nature! But it's already being overwhelmed by the 5-10 complainers that feel like they own this forum. I also really like this DLC. It does need a little work but overall it has improved the game.
Did you pass any of your math classes?Quote:
Originally Posted by swat brigade
I see what your getting at...don't worry the haters will arrive and devour/derail this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonehead
I think you post on here more than you play the game. 3k posts? How in the heck do you find that much time in your day to patrol these threads?
I think he thinks that I own multiple accounts and post from those to pretend that more people hate the DLC than actually do, when in all reality, that many people hate the DLC (and more, naturally because the forum community is only a small microcosm of the playerbase).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonehead
Anyway:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....8/10/train.jpg
I would say there Is a much bigger portion if players that like the change. They are busy playing the game rather than complaining. Just watch the in game chats. Thought you were done with defiance? Just can't let it go huhQuote:
Originally Posted by BJWyler
I've been in game a lot since the patch dropped and I can't say my experience with in game chat is the same as yours.
Most of what I saw was along the lines of WTF.
Trion keeps track of the game in many ways and I'm sure in game chat is part of that. If it were as you say thay would not have started fixing the game by lessening the threat levels to something they say is more appropriate.
Quote from Scapes;
" The team is constantly evaluating the difficulty of the game to get it to a good state."
That indicates to me that the state is now something other than good.
The patch has promise in ways but it was not ready for prime time by any stretch of the imagination as you can see by looking in the alpha test forum.
I have a good feeling about the eventual outcome based on the communication we are getting from Scapes and Kiwi and my in game experience since patch 1.501.
Yech, you again. Still trying to pretend you're in the majority opinion over here eh? Good luck with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by swat brigade
We've all watched the in-game chats. People are rage quitting and now many of us are waiting it out to return when the balance returns to the game. Which it eventually will, I have faith.
My advise to you is, please visit the Alpha Test Server forums. Those are the elite players, my friend. They have been here and in game a long time and their sage advice should not be ignored.
I'm gonna give up on this swat guy - me, you and a lot of others have been trying to reason with him and he's just insistent on his non-truth. Troll maybe? Fanboy for SURE. I'm even more sure he's delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonehead
I still like cake.
Meeee Tooooooo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm58
No one knows how much of the playerbase likes/hates the patch. Anything we would have to state on that would be conjecture based upon our own anecdotal evidence. Trion has a better view of that thanks to those of us who post on the forums and their metrics in game of how many people are still logging in. Of those still logging in though, if they are not chatting, no one knows what they think.Quote:
Originally Posted by swat brigade
And yes, I am done with Defiance until I see how things pan out over the next few weeks/patches. However, since I enjoy gaming and discussing games I am passionate about, even if not actively playing, I will still be active in the forums for a while. In all reality, the forums are more enjoyable at this point than the game itself since DLC 5.
I prefer Tiramisu myself.
Don't give up on me....so sad! I posted in a thread praising this DLC and y'all tracked me down. Damn I think y'all are in love. I'm just defending my opinions here. You guys need to come to the realization that there's different opinions out there.
" In all reality, the forums are more enjoyable at this point than the game itself since DLC 5."
Certainly more unpredictable.
And that's why I keep posting. I have no issues with people who have differing opinions. However, it seems that many of those people don't have that same realization - especially when comments like "this was how the game was intended to be played" are tossed around.Quote:
Originally Posted by swat brigade
I have no problem with people who want to play games for a challenging experience. I do have a problem with those people who think every game they buy should offer that experience and want the ones that don't to change until they do. Some people need to come to the realization that it's OK for games to offer fun and enjoyment over challenge and Defiance was one of those games. Was it perfect, and could it have been improved? Certainly yes, but that improvement didn't need to take the form of DLC 5 in its entirety.
Ain't that the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonehead
same here dude, kinda glad i have been forced to be away from the gamelll I ve enjoyed reading everyoes opinions. Its been good fun, although the minute i get back on and it takes me 15 minutes to kill a baby skitterling, Ill go back to wanting to punt innocent baby kittens..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonehead
Oooooh, tasty treat there.Quote:
Originally Posted by BJWyler
It is my Kryptonite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm58
OK OK I love you. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by swat brigade
Seems like we're both just trying to be heard.
"I'm in love with you, and I'm not in the business of denying myself the simple pleasure of saying true things. I'm in love with you, and I know that love is just a shout into the void, and that oblivion is inevitable, and that we're all doomed and that there will come a day when all our labor has been returned to dust, and I know the sun will swallow the only earth we'll ever have, and I am in love with you.”Quote:
Originally Posted by dramaQkarri
by John Green from The Fault in Our Stars
What now? Sorry some disembodied pants just flew past my window...
derail!
yesssssssssssssssssssss