Don't leave the game! Don't give up!

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Originally Posted by Iceberg

I started a new character, got it up to ego 300 before I got the mission Major Minor rescue, today of all days that mine was a daily and guess who all showed up to farm it? Ya needless to say, my little low level character with crap gear couldn't even do anything but die over and over. 5 Attempts later, and an hour and half of waiting for the other players to actually kill everything I managed to pass it. That was some long fulfilling chase right there let me tell you!

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So you got that going for you, which is nice.

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

So you got that going for you, which is nice.

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LOL! You can hear Bill Murray's voice when you read that. :)

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Originally Posted by Degan

I think this is probably my first post to these forums, and most likely it will be the last. I'll try to cover my thoughts as best I can...

I started playing not long after DLC 2. This was an awesome game that I could jump in, shoot up some **** and relax. After a couple of weeks I went ahead and bought DLC 1 and 2 so I could use the items I was getting and get some further enjoyment out of the game.
Both DLC seemed like a good deal, $10 each and I got some cool items from them, so I felt pretty good about my purchase. Next came DLC 3, and as much as I was leery of the whole samurai theme, I ponied up and bought it too. That's when it started to change for me. A new vendor and a new rep to grind... that felt the farthest thing from being worth the price of admission.

I skipped DLC 4 which was another vendor and more rep grind with daily limits... no thanks.

And now we have this mess that took a once enjoyable and fun game and turned it into a job. The simplicity is what made the game fun, now its complicated with item and inventory management and a ton of "gotta use this to fight that guy, and this to fight this guy" nonsense. I manage things at work all day and I play games to unwind and have fun. I liked being able to use whatever guns I liked to shoot the hell out of bad guys, and I liked that the gun I got day one could be just as good as what I looted yesterday if I wanted to use it.

Sorry, but I refuse to spend my limited time to grind out for this new currency to keep my items upgraded to my level, and I sure as hell refuse to buy it in the store. I'm from Tennessee, I know BS when I see it :)

For those who like this new game, enjoy it. I will be spending my time elsewhere.

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Well said!

Trion please remove arkforge from the game. You guys thought a recharging grenade was silly and removed it. So what makes you think an expensive pretend substance that makes guns work better with your toon is not ridiculous? Seriously. How does arkforge work? Do we rub it on the gun? Is there a little port on the gun that we pour it in? Also, where are my armor plates? I don't see anything on my toon. I see the shield light up when bullets hit it but don't see any hovering (or otherwise) plates around me. But yeah. Those old recharging grenades sure were silly.

Just convert it back to the old pre-DLC-5 weapon/damage system. Leave the chimaera stuff, jack up the damage the bad guys do based on the threat level, and let us have the game we originally bought and enjoyed back. If you want more money in the future try actually developing new stuff to sell us.

Why? Because Grenades.

And the 6297 Dodge Challengers I have destroyed.

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You guys thought a recharging grenade was silly and removed it. So what makes you think an expensive pretend substance that makes guns work better with your toon is not ridiculous? Seriously. How does arkforge work? Do we rub it on the gun? Is there a little port on the gun that we pour it in? Also, where are my armor plates? I don't see anything on my toon. I see the shield light up when bullets hit it but don't see any hovering (or otherwise) plates around me. But yeah. Those old recharging grenades sure were silly.

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Yep...recharging grenades are silly (well, yeah...they are), but taking three magazines worth of shots to the face to kill a minion makes perfect sense.

Because grenades.

Because typos.

Because a lot of stupid, over-complicated crap that no one asked for or wanted and which turns the combat into utter, mind-numbing tedium without actually making it require better, smarter play.

Actually I like the new grenade system, not sure what you mean by recharge. At least now when I am out of grenades and pick one up I can use it, rather then it being a different type then I have equipped so I can pick up 20 grenades and still be out.

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Originally Posted by Manstan

Actually I like the new grenade system, not sure what you mean by recharge. At least now when I am out of grenades and pick one up I can use it, rather then it being a different type then I have equipped so I can pick up 20 grenades and still be out.

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As long as you don't have a full inventory sure.

I dont understand that nobody complaints bout the awful lag we have on PS3 EU Servers?

Dnt u have the same prob on NA Servers PC/PS3/XBox?

When playing PVP I often cant see, or can only see enemies when they r in the near of 10m range from me....

Disconnects etc.

Lag lag lag everywhere we go

New Content? No pls fix first the basics of gamin, DLC5 is great but the last Patches did nothin, I know they working fast and hard, but if we dnt complaint nothin will change.

You dnt like PVP? Ok, no prob. Everybody likes the PVE but not everybody likes the PVP sure... but still many ppl want to play PVP.

I hope the Patch 1.505 will help a bit ... may be more Servers will fix this?

Sry 4 Weeks now only bad gameplay in PVP, why upgrading EGO in PVP? Why not upgrading Weapons DMG also???
A toon with 1900EGO and Weapon Power can't do anything there!

Trion can't put PVP beside like this (it seems) ... we paid for PVE and PVP

Many ppl are frustrated but seems PS3 Users dnt like to use keyboards...or dnt have a propper PC to write here in Forums...but its awful... If u want PVP at this state Defiance its NOT Game for u...

Nearly hopeless
archon and German Clan

I don't have lag issues PC NA. And I have a crappy system for playing on; no graphics card. My frame rate drops horribly when things get crazy, but runs fine most of the time.

This insane scaling of the enemies, to the higest player around, is seriously ruining the game for me...
whats the fun in being in an instance, where u can do absolutly NO DAMAGE against the mobs,
just becoz a high lvl player is around,??

The game is dying for me, PLEASE TRION, do somthing quick, or you WILL loose players..

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Originally Posted by D3ST

This insane scaling of the enemies, to the higest player around, is seriously ruining the game for me...
whats the fun in being in an instance, where u can do absolutly NO DAMAGE against the mobs,
just becoz a high lvl player is around,??

The game is dying for me, PLEASE TRION, do somthing quick, or you WILL loose players..

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Too late. :D

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Originally Posted by D3ST

This insane scaling of the enemies, to the higest player around, is seriously ruining the game for me...
whats the fun in being in an instance, where u can do absolutly NO DAMAGE against the mobs,
just becoz a high lvl player is around,??

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Stuff scales to Threat Level 10 (and therefore the highest-rank enemies and plenty of 'em) with as few as four players (in my observation). So high-level characters don't fare a lot better, really. Our weapons are still basically Airsoft replicas for all the damage they do, the enemies are still enormous sacks of hit points, and the tedium knob goes to eleven.

I've been stubbornly sticking it out (because I loved this game so much for the last year), but I won't pretend I haven't lost all respect for the decision-makers at Trion, whose prioritization is simply bizarre and inexplicable.

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Originally Posted by D3ST

The game is dying for me, PLEASE TRION, do somthing quick, or you WILL loose players..

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CLEAR!

http://www.abpischools.org.uk/res/co...images/9.5.png

Hey dudes! this latest patch (1.505) is working pretty good.

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...omething-right

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

Hey dudes! this latest patch (1.505) is working pretty good.

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i'm glad to hear. Did they fix the hulker not appearing problem in incursions? Also, I'd like to chime in and congratulate the Trion team for possibly fixing this dlp fiasco.

Bullet sponges aren't so spongy any more, not bad actually.
Went to an infected siege at a TL of 8. I certainly couldn't go toe to toe with anything, but I was killing them. :)

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Originally Posted by Manstan

Actually I like the new grenade system, not sure what you mean by recharge. At least now when I am out of grenades and pick one up I can use it, rather then it being a different type then I have equipped so I can pick up 20 grenades and still be out.

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Hey! you must not have been in the game back when the original grenades existed. Yes. Back in the day grenades used to have a recharge rate. usually between 24-30 seconds depending on the mod. They worked a lot like when your car gets destroyed and that little counter bar has to recharge for several seconds before you can spawn and use another car. Remember!!!! Recharging grenades are silly. Recharging 2012 Dodge Challengers are not silly.

And arkforge has to go. It's BS.

Because Grenades!

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Originally Posted by r2nddan

i'm glad to hear. Did they fix the hulker not appearing problem in incursions? Also, I'd like to chime in and congratulate the Trion team for possibly fixing this dlp fiasco.

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Not fully fixed yet, but a big ol' long stride in the right direction.

I've seen Hulkers spawning at Kenn, post-hotfix. The stage ended long before they could be killed (as usual), but they did spawn. Next step is to set it so that when hulkers spawn , at least one has to be dropped before the stage advances. I was kind of bummed not to see this fix, but hopefully it will be made at some point. Expecting everyone at an Incursion or Seige to know to target the hulkers exclusively when they appear is unrealistic. Noobs, non-DLC-buyers who don't have the pursuit, and deliberate griefers will always be there.

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Originally Posted by Festival

Not fully fixed yet, but a big ol' long stride in the right direction.

I've seen Hulkers spawning at Kenn, post-hotfix. The stage ended long before they could be killed (as usual), but they did spawn. Next step is to set it so that when hulkers spawn , at least one has to be dropped before the stage advances. I was kind of bummed not to see this fix, but hopefully it will be made at some point. Expecting everyone at an Incursion or Seige to know to target the hulkers exclusively when they appear is unrealistic. Noobs, non-DLC-buyers who don't have the pursuit, and deliberate griefers will always be there.

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killed 6 last night. good luck

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Not fully fixed yet, but a big ol' long stride in the right direction.

I've seen Hulkers spawning at Kenn, post-hotfix. The stage ended long before they could be killed (as usual), but they did spawn. Next step is to set it so that when hulkers spawn , at least one has to be dropped before the stage advances. I was kind of bummed not to see this fix, but hopefully it will be made at some point. Expecting everyone at an Incursion or Seige to know to target the hulkers exclusively when they appear is unrealistic. Noobs, non-DLC-buyers who don't have the pursuit, and deliberate griefers will always be there.

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They really do need to do something about changing how the Hulkers are viewed. Personally I think they should be considered a mini boss and killed before the wave can end. It might even get people to shift from that one section.

I can tell you that prior to the DLC I didn't even bother with the Hulkers. The one corner is the only spot I saw Hulkers die and being there meant minimal kills since the ratio seems like 1 enemy to at least 15 players. If you are looking for a battle and points then it made more sense to hang out a the other areas. Plus... the lag and disappearing Hulkers meant less fun.

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Originally Posted by Odessa

I can tell you that prior to the DLC I didn't even bother with the Hulkers.

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Your loss... there were huge point bonuses to be gathered for either dropping the Hulker yourself, or assisting others with dropping a Hulker.

I am just going to throw this out there... My friend and I have this thing about debating/arguing/bring your opinion about something to a discussion where the moment someone brings up Hitler/****/"Dictatorships" as a comparison to how someone is, that person's whole argument goes in the trash.

Using this type of comparison is a lame way for someone who is either not intelligent enough to conduct a civilized discussion, or they are so frustrated and angry about how they feel they are being treated, when in reality they feel that the world revolves around them and what they want. Saying things like

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Now tell me, did you read every request or email that this company received since its release? You cannot possibly know for a fact that no one asked for these changes... Please step away from the computer and take a deep breath.

I personally think this game has been getting better and better. I am glad it has become more difficult, my friends actually had to use tactics to defeat a boss in co-op, it was way more fun than one guy rambo-ing through everything. It was the most fun I have had in a long time.

Kiwi I commend you on calling out the disrespect that this comparison brings.

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Your loss... there were huge point bonuses to be gathered for either dropping the Hulker yourself, or assisting others with dropping a Hulker.

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Not really. It's only a loss if that's what I was looking to achieve. I have only just started looking for weapons and trying for points. Prior to the DLC it was pure goof off, leveling skills and goofing off more. Since joining up with a new group of friends who were more informed about the weapons, what's better, etc... I have tried to push myself to play differently. I'm enjoying the change, but it's still not a huge deal to hit the top 20. Now it's more about Arkforge and keys for upgrading weapons. While you do get big bonuses for the Hulker, I have always been able to get enough points to grab some keys and arkforge while having fun.

That being said, I join in on the Hulker hunt now because most people need them for pursuits. I understand how much of an uphill battle it currently is when you are trying to kill one and everyone is wiping out the enemies before that happens. Prior to the DLC it was the opposite when I played.

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Originally Posted by Odessa

Prior to the DLC it was pure goof off, leveling skills and goofing off more.

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This is exactly how I've felt about the game since last April... that is, until the most recent DLP went live.

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Originally Posted by Fancypants

And that's why this game needs it even more. Where does the revenue from this game come from now that launch day has come and gone?

1. Box/digital sales
2. DLC
3. Cash shop

Forget 1. That ship has long sailed. The only thing Trion can do now with that is what they did already, put the game up for $30. Then $20. Then $10. They aren't getting $60 for this anymore. There also aren't as many potential people to pick from given all the other F2P games out. People will want to know why they have to pay for this buggy, incomplete game when they can play a lot of others F2P instead?

2. DLC. The price for DLC will be in-line with what the other F2P games do: $10. No one is paying $20 for a Castie and a dagger. For SWTOR they can charge F2P players that because of Star Wars fans. This game has no pre-existing base though so I doubt people are going to buy a box/ddload for $30 then $20 for one DLC. That's insane. It's almost as insane as buying DLC pre-order.

3. Cash shop. It's already been said this cash shop is really lackluster. I don't think I've ever seen anyone but a fan love what's in there and shelling out a ton of money. But eventually even those players will run out, or find nothing else they want for another few months. Then you figure in the other half of players steaming because the DLC is slow and they don't want to fork over more money in the meantime.

Where does anyone see revenue coming in for this game based on that? Again, and I really hate to harp on this last point, but other games are coming out. People are going to be buying the PS4 (screw the Xbox) and they aren't going to be having extra money to buy the console, new (NEW) games and still spend for this game. I'm pretty sure Trion knows all this.

F2P is just a matter of time here but the thing is, the sooner you convert the more people get into the game for us to keep us interested. Right now there are a lot of people who have already written the $60 off and looking/playing other things and we know it's hard to get back into anything after you leave long enough.

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If only Trion had listened in June. Destiny now around the corner so not sure how many people will be spending money here now. Playing/trying it out, maybe.. but not spending.

They pulled the trigger way too late.

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This is exactly how I've felt about the game since last April... that is, until the most recent DLP went live.

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Are you enjoying it again now that they've started the tweaking of enemies? I have to say the challenge has been an enjoyable experience. Frustrating at times, but then I love to try the Volge sieges out... and it never ends well. I will even join in on the Major Arkbreaks outside, even though most times I crit before going in.

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Originally Posted by Fancypants

If only Trion had listened in June. Destiny now around the corner so not sure how many people will be spending money here now. Playing/trying it out, maybe.. but not spending.

They pulled the trigger way too late.

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Aside from the fact that estranged players of this game have said the same thing about the release of GTA V and Titanfall, Destiny won't be released for at least another 3 months after Defiance goes free to play. The busiest season of the year for gaming is enough time to bring in committed players into the game. Of course the game actually has to appeal to those players when they try it. That's another story entirely.

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I am just going to throw this out there... My friend and I have this thing about debating/arguing/bring your opinion about something to a discussion where the moment someone brings up Hitler/****/"Dictatorships" as a comparison to how someone is, that person's whole argument goes in the trash.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

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Thank you so much for showing this to me! HAHAHAHA!

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Thank you so much for showing this to me! HAHAHAHA!

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IKR! It's a scream.

I always say im leaving but it has a certain hold on me. I can never bring myself to stay away. Even with the new changes.

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I always say im leaving but it has a certain hold on me. I can never bring myself to stay away. Even with the new changes.

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Okay say it with me now.

Hi my name is Spaz and I am a Defianceaholic.

posted on the wrong thread, sorry.

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Okay say it with me now.

Hi my name is Spaz and I am a Defianceaholic.

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My name is spaz and i am a defiancaholic. I need help.

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Originally Posted by Elastik Spastik

My name is spaz and i am a defiancaholic. I need help.

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Spaz.....DAWN PATROL holds meetings every Saturday (and most Sunday) mornings...too bad you aren't on 360 :)

Sorry, that lifeboat (eso) looked too good to pass up. Watch out for those icebergs.

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Aside from the fact that estranged players of this game have said the same thing about the release of GTA V and Titanfall, Destiny won't be released for at least another 3 months after Defiance goes free to play. The busiest season of the year for gaming is enough time to bring in committed players into the game. Of course the game actually has to appeal to those players when they try it. That's another story entirely.

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GTA V and Titanfall did draw some people away, but I doubt it was enough to deal a serious blow to the core base. But I think that's because the core base is interested in Defiance as a shooter, which none of the so-called 'death knell' games people have announced really qualifies.

Destiny is a different story, because it may be similar enough to pull a lot of people away permanently. I would hope not. There's not enough content in this game for me to want to play it as a 'primary' game in perpetuity, but I'll probably log on once a week just because of the Clan company. I'd hate to lose that by having the game completely fail.

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Originally Posted by Elastik Spastik

My name is spaz and i am a defiancaholic. I need help.

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Atta boy Spaz.

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Originally Posted by Lillith Valerian

GTA V and Titanfall did draw some people away, but I doubt it was enough to deal a serious blow to the core base. But I think that's because the core base is interested in Defiance as a shooter, which none of the so-called 'death knell' games people have announced really qualifies.

Destiny is a different story, because it may be similar enough to pull a lot of people away permanently. I would hope not. There's not enough content in this game for me to want to play it as a 'primary' game in perpetuity, but I'll probably log on once a week just because of the Clan company. I'd hate to lose that by having the game completely fail.

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In the same boat. Destiny looks very good to me, and it has the bonus of having my close friends interested in it. *it is important to note that on Facebook one of those friends just stated "Just let it die already" in reference to Defiance's FtP article* If Destiny is everything I hope it is, I may become scarse around these parts.

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Originally Posted by Elastik Spastik

I need help.

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http://i.imgur.com/P5Mw68H.gif

Did someone say help?

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Destiny is a different story, because it may be similar enough to pull a lot of people away permanently. I would hope not. There's not enough content in this game for me to want to play it as a 'primary' game in perpetuity, but I'll probably log on once a week just because of the Clan company. I'd hate to lose that by having the game completely fail.

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Destiny is closer to the mark but Titanfall already made its mark in terms of what remains of the PvP community. There are still distinctions between the two games as well, the most notable being the absence of massive events in Destiny. I can understand this game losing its shine for its veteran players or even players that have been here for more than a season, but for the players coming in June all of it is going to be shiny and new and the episodic content is going to open up afterwards so what they'll be experiencing in many ways is what the veteran players should have experienced on day one of this game. The game clearly still has issues but there's enough here to reel in new F2P player between the June and September that won't be lost or completely lost to Destiny.

Also while it's possibly the smallest player base, the PC won't be getting Destiny and Destiny will have to preform flawlessly on either the Xbox 360 or PS3 for me to buy it. I have no intention of purchasing a nexgen console given the direction that console development will be heading after that (i.e. nowhere).