Concern about (( inventory spacem )) abuse like Free to play tittles

First of all we have to pay 60 $ + for defiance but i have seen in the http://defiance.com/en/my-ego/ where you enter the arkfall codes thats some of the reward are inventory space slots , is this mean we gonna have to pay a lots of real $ in game to have a decent inventory space to loots our stuff ? if the answer is yes then i found this pay model Worst than F2P ones Nixon style

making peoples pay 60 $ for the game and limite their inventory space where they feel force to spend some more money is kinda creepy to me at least if trion want to force us to pay some $ make the game a true F2P not a game where you pay for the game and then for everything into the game

Hope iam wrong on thats

I would assume that these are starting perks and are able to be opened up later on in the game through experience.

SHORT ANSWER: Yes, you are wrong.

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Originally Posted by Aaricane

SHORT ANSWER: Yes, you are wrong.

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How you know it ?

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Originally Posted by Stew360

How you know it ?

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given that no one who actually knows (ie alpha testers/beta) cant break there nda i doubt he or anyone could answer that.

however theres a number of reasons not to worry that trion would pull a stunt like that, firstly there track record of ace f2p games speaks volumes about there business models (ala rift), secondly this game is being heavly funded by various partys to boost interest in both the tv show and game (massive advertising if it succeds) for them to attempt stunts and make players feel like there being ripped off is only going to hurt all of them.

they will have some kind of money making system in place. but if history tells us anything it wont be anything forcing players to purchase.

You shouldn't be expecting the worse from something you haven't seen yet.

You'll be finding all sorts of things in the game for free that will enable you to play to your hearts desire.

Most (if not all) microtransactions are cosmetic items, clothes/outfits/tattoos/hair whatever have you.

But if you are indeed able to purchase things like item slots, then i'm sure you would have plenty of room. More inventory space will always be needed. Even if i had 1,000 slots, i'd fill them in 2 days.

So if you are a pack rat such as i am, then you could purchase more space if you felt compelled.
But it's not gonna be like "OMG I NEEDZ MORE BAGZ SLOTZ!!!!"

I just think your worrying to much about it:)

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Originally Posted by Myll_Erik

You shouldn't be expecting the worse from something you haven't seen yet.

You'll be finding all sorts of things in the game for free that will enable you to play to your hearts desire.

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People have had companies and games slap them in the face with raw fish so many times that people have become overly "once bitten, twice shy" or however that goes. Not to mention the massive amount of cash cow cash shops out there. All we can hope is that we can calm them down until they get a chance to experience what is possibly a great game.

to compare it with some other Buy to play games they have limited inventory where you pay in game currency/quests to expand it, they never included it into the cash shop which was a wonderful idea. As others above me had said do remember that these are just little starting extras perks for those who are involved in the community, in a sense its a reward to the fans.

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Originally Posted by Stew360

First of all we have to pay 60 $ + for defiance but i have seen in the http://defiance.com/en/my-ego/ where you enter the arkfall codes thats some of the reward are inventory space slots , is this mean we gonna have to pay a lots of real $ in game to have a decent inventory space to loots our stuff ? if the answer is yes then i found this pay model Worst than F2P ones Nixon style

making peoples pay 60 $ for the game and limite their inventory space where they feel force to spend some more money is kinda creepy to me at least if trion want to force us to pay some $ make the game a true F2P not a game where you pay for the game and then for everything into the game

Hope iam wrong on thats

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learn inventory management.. i worked just fine in DCUO with the limited space a free player get.. its called but all that access crap youre not gonna actively use in your "storage" sure it would be more convenient if you just carried EVERYTHING around so you dont have to run back and grab an item needed to complete a quest or whatever the case may be... but oh well like they say you get what you pay for :p (though i doubt the game will have fetch quests since its a shooter first and an mmo second and well ive never seen a shooter with fetch quests lol)


edit: i take that back.. mass effect had em.. but that game is labeled as an RPG not a shooter (even though it plays liek ne) so technically my point still stands :p

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Originally Posted by Myll_Erik

You shouldn't be expecting the worse from something you haven't seen yet.

You'll be finding all sorts of things in the game for free that will enable you to play to your hearts desire.

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Why wouldn't we? As the industry currently stands, manipulative and anti-consumer microtransaction shenanigans are the rule, not the exception. The fact that Defiance itself features microtransactions AND DLC at the very least puts it under the microscope. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being concerned about this, because as things are right now, that concern is valid.

Side note: Saying that you'll find things for free in the game is a bit disingenuous when the game costs $60. You'll find things that are included with your purchase. I still don't understand the need to a cash shop on top of DLC as typically the cash shop exists to cover the costs of future development, not just to siphon off more cash while you continue to sell updates. My only theory at the moment is we're subsidizing the cost of updating on Xbox Live (which is expensive and doesn't approve of "free updates") which seems a bit unfair to other platforms.

i think slots will b unlocked through expirence otherwise it wld b unfair in my opinion but i dnt mind as im a code hunter neway ;)

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Originally Posted by Aaricane

Most (if not all) microtransactions are cosmetic items, clothes/outfits/tattoos/hair whatever have you.

But if you are indeed able to purchase things like item slots, then i'm sure you would have plenty of room. More inventory space will always be needed. Even if i had 1,000 slots, i'd fill them in 2 days.

So if you are a pack rat such as i am, then you could purchase more space if you felt compelled.
But it's not gonna be like "OMG I NEEDZ MORE BAGZ SLOTZ!!!!"

I just think your worrying to much about it:)

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Agreed. Give all the bag space in the world. I still want more, lol

But really don't worry about it yet. Keep checking the streams, and don't buy the game until you're sure it's what you want.

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Originally Posted by furious123uk

i think slots will b unlocked through expirence otherwise it wld b unfair in my opinion but i dnt mind as im a code hunter neway ;)

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Even so, people complaining over how you may be able to buy extra slots is idiotic. Thoes extra slots aren't needed. Nobody is forcing someone to buy them. Don't need em, don't buy em.

It's quite simple really.

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Originally Posted by Aaricane

Even so, people complaining over how you may be able to buy extra slots is idiotic. Thoes extra slots aren't needed. Nobody is forcing someone to buy them. Don't need em, don't buy em.

It's quite simple really.

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I believe the concern is being goaded into them rather than having the option. Nobody is going to complain if there are ample slots and you can purchase more if needed. They will complain if you start off with barely enough to carry anything, and are essentially being nagged to buy more every time you pick up loot. There are plenty of F2P games that pull this crap with putting low stack numbers on items or adding lots of "junk" loot for no other reason than to clutter up inventory and try to get you to buy more space. Allods was notorious for this as you started with almost no space and bag upgrades were exceptionally expensive.

Obviously, we won't know until the NDA is lifted and people can comment on it, but as I said in an earlier post, this kind of stuff is currently the norm, not the exception, so I understand the concern.

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Originally Posted by Stew360

First of all we have to pay 60 $ + for defiance but i have seen in the http://defiance.com/en/my-ego/ where you enter the arkfall codes thats some of the reward are inventory space slots , is this mean we gonna have to pay a lots of real $ in game to have a decent inventory space to loots our stuff ? if the answer is yes then i found this pay model Worst than F2P ones Nixon style

making peoples pay 60 $ for the game and limite their inventory space where they feel force to spend some more money is kinda creepy to me at least if trion want to force us to pay some $ make the game a true F2P not a game where you pay for the game and then for everything into the game

Hope iam wrong on thats

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It depends on how it is done. Take GW2 which is also a B2P game. You have inventory expandable though bags on your toon itself with one more slot you can purchuse to unlock for another bag. But even then you get off hand 5 slots I beleive. That gets upgraded as you upgrade you bags.

Then there is the bank. Your bank, which I wish someone had explained earlier to me, is actually two banks. One is your generic "anything can go here" bank that is shared between your various characters. Then you had your "collectables" which went to their own tabs and slots and were kept nice and organized. This was where your metals and gems went for example and were easy to to find. Now you still were going to run out of space in the bank because of all the buffs, enchantments, and junk you might want to keep piled up. For a modest fee you could expand that bank, but with all that you still started off with a fair bit of space.

This is the kind of system I hope to see in Defiance. But no idea if we are going to have incentives for more then one character, what our space needs might be, or any of that stuff. So it might be one of those things we have to trust beta players to give good feedback on and Trion to listen too. But I don't think it is one of the areas that we are going to get nickel and dimed to death over...I hope.

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Originally Posted by Terra

But I don't think it is one of the areas that we are going to get nickel and dimed to death over...I hope.

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I have faith in Trion.

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Originally Posted by Aaricane

I have faith in Trion.

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I would if they didn't have Time Warner and Comcast listed as investors. They managed to put me off of Rift (Trion's choices, not the investors) which I was a big fan of which doesn't help matters. They occupy that space of "companies I wish I could like more than I do but can't quite get behind". Their livestreams for example feel more like a daytime shopping channel than an informal community event.

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Originally Posted by Aaricane

Even so, people complaining over how you may be able to buy extra slots is idiotic. Thoes extra slots aren't needed. Nobody is forcing someone to buy them. Don't need em, don't buy em.

It's quite simple really.

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or they could help us look for code :p