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Well not only did I pay $65 for a game that is now free, I also paid $35 for a seasons pass that was supposed to give me all upcoming DLC. So $100 later the game goes F2P. I'm angry, I will not spend another dime on this game, the Trion Team should really be ashamed of how it has run this game from it's conception up until now. I'll be surprised if you gain anymore members.
I won't. The freeloaders will flood into this game and, much like other games in the "freemium" mold, while they won't spend $5 buying a game they'll blow hundreds, often thousands even, in an ingame cash shop. Companies like Trion haven't missed the phenomena and they're trying to take advantage of it. I don't blame them, I would too if I were them, but I would do it with a new game, not one filled with paying, veteran players and an existing eco and lore system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezpikins
I paid 9.99 for it. Eventually most games do go free, like L4D2. Which i paid 29.99 dollars for.
Op i guess do what i do, never spend 60 or 50 bucks on a game. Highest i spend on pc games is 29.99. 39.99 if its a pack.
Most don't do this because they want the game when its first out, but i don't mind waiting for a price drop.
DLC still costs money, even when it goes free to play. The $65 you spent was to play the game for a year, not a bad deal. And when it goes free to play people that bought it will receive 1000 arkforge and 30 days preimum pass which f2p people will not
Agreed, been here for a long time and I'm glad its free. Bring on the greenhorns!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ConcreteSnake
People seem so surprised that a company's intent is to make money.
It is when a couple months later it drops to $10 new.Quote:
Originally Posted by ConcreteSnake
The people who paid $10 basically get reimbursed since 30 Day Patron passes are going to be around 800 bits. Those of us who paid $60 however...
i think the people that payed the 60+$s on the game need a little more then just a 30 day patron pass and 1000 arkforge. i cant complain seeing as im one of the ones that got the game for only 10$s but i know the other guys. should atleast get a little more then what thay are. maybe a " broken " gun or 2 hell maybe a full reenbersment in BITs for the money thay spent to help the game become more develiped. or oh oh i know. how bout 100% free DLCs all around to anyone that is still playing and owns the game at this point in time befor it is released to full F2P
just a few ideas . i like its going F2P now we will have more lag. more players. and more noobs. woot time to start threat level trolling noobs >.>
I suddenly had a feeling/thoughts of dread when thinking about WM.
anybody who played $60 have been playing this game along time. I've played this game more hours than my entire time using my Xbox one since November. Got a better dollar per hour rate with defiance. Anyone complaining about paying $60+ is doing so just to complain. If you haven't got your monies worth that's your fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by samuelsinn
premium pass? i bought the game because it was buy2play now it get free2play and we need to buy premium accounts to get the same game as before? maybe a credits cap for non premium accounts?Quote:
Originally Posted by ConcreteSnake
if so then cya Defiance for ever
F2P is fine, the problem is patron system.
It look like a VIP member months paid, that give 20% boost to everything, ya i can feel they just want to sit and earn money, and never going to fix those bugs. It also means who paid the Original edition is no longer needed as they can't get trion more profit.
and next few months or year will increase to 50% boost, even in damage and shield, they just want money, if players don't against the game's frist change, they are going to change more, make those who already own the game have less and less rights and interests .
In Premium pass you only get 20% scrip, xp, rep and salvage boosts, daily and weekly arkforge and 10% off from store purchases, nothing more.
You don't need to buy anything. You're going to have more than F2P players have for being a B2P player. They will only get 2 less character slots, 3 less loadout slots, a key code cap that is 25 lower (meaning they can't get Tier 4 Lock Boxes or Epic Mod Hoard Boxes in game), and 35 fewer free inventory slots. On top of that B2P players are going to get 1,000 Arkforge and a 30 day Patron Pass when it goes free to play. There is nothing in the Patron Pass that you ever had before so saying that you need it to get the same game as before is completely false.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devinee
I agree with ConcreteSnake. People are complaining about the game going F2P for no valid reason. It is totally naive to assume any B2P MMO isn't eventually going to move to F2P. If that's what anyone expected for their retail purchase price they're not in touch with reality and have no one to blame but themselves for that failed expectation. As for the rapid decline in price and move to F2P after just few months over a year, if you're an early adopter of a game you always risk paying a lot more than the game will cost months down the line by pre-purchasing it or purchasing it at or closely after launch. Complaining about that is like whining that you rolled snake eyes at the craps table but I guess all the complainers would rather have the servers shut down. :rolleyes:
actually trion will turn everything to 80% very soon after F2P, as you need to buy month VIP pass to gain 100% as now
and after few more months the rate will be down to 50%, and they make a vip' vip pass to boost 50%
http://www.mentalfloss.com/sites/def.../440oolong.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by cary2010haha
You gotta love the bunny.
um no, read this:Quote:
Originally Posted by cary2010haha
https://www.defiance.com/en/game/overview/free-to-play/
man you paid $35 for the season pass and didnt get any of the 5 dlc's that came out from 8/2013-4/2014, and didnt get any of them?? why the hell did you even buy the pass then boss lmao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezpikins
trion did say defiance 'll never be f2p before. and now?Quote:
Originally Posted by ConcreteSnake
look at all the COOL stuff we get for being box owners....
OWNERS
(Digital or Boxed)
Character Slots: 4
Loadouts: 5
Ark Keycode Maximum: 75
Inventory Slots: 70
Existing characters will retain any extra inventory slots they have.
30-Day Paradise Patron Pass
Grant of 1000 Arkforge
Arkforge can be used to refine and upgrade weapons:
Reroll weapon mastery bonus
Increase power rating
Increase rarity
oooooh wait, we already have all this sh*t....so whats special about us box owners then?, besides another 1k arkforge, cuz im lost....
Although i complain a lot (all in the name of love for the game of course) and am weary about server-stability with this new exodus of F2P players coming in, i am happy with this decision.
F2P players can start, but will soon meet the limitations of this F2P-concept and need to drop money for some extra inventory-slots, keycode-limit etc etc. Although the game has enough issues, it's still a very addictable game to play. So Trion will find new sources to make money off, and keep this game running. After all Trion is a commercial business and needs to make money, that's no secret and totally sensible. And when one thing has stopped bringing in money it leaves you with 2 options:
1- Throw in the towel and unplug
2- Find new sources to bring money in
So it seems Defiance gets a second life-circle, good!
And that we all paid money last year? Yeah... I pay money all the time lol. Bought Borderlands 2 for 60 euro's in september 2012, 3 months later (after Xmas) my brother bought the game for 40 euro. For that 20 euro i did got to play from launch. Same goes for Defiance, i never regretted dropping 60 euro for the game (only 30 euro for the SP, which was a rip-off). I played Defiance from the start, and it was worth the money despite the hell of ride it has been at times.
As far as 'gifts' goes... I think they have to make sure players that paid for the game will be granted access to everything they launch in the future (map expansions, main storyline). But more then that they don't 'owe' us anything. A 30 days Patron and 1k Arkforge? Nice, i'll take that! Players that bought the game for 10 bucks get it as well? No problem, i don't feel that 60 euro missing in my wallet anymore and any gift what-so-ever is welcome.
My concerns are about server-stability and wanting to get some more tweaks in the game (Volge yes yes), but for this F2P-model they have my blessing - as long as i dont have to pay for stuff i already own (inventory-slots, keycode-limit etc).
You don`t have to pay anything to keep playing. People usually jumps into wrong conclusions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devinee
I identify my self with most of what you said in your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riz
I agree with Riz too. It's not like they locked away anything we had in the game shop.
F2P = more players and maybe more ressources for game development
Season 2 = more players and maybe more ressources for game development
Nothing to worry about.
i think what every one was trying to get at is that what there giveing us we allready have. we are not geting anything new we are not geting anything we do not allready have access to and can use each day. and that is not ok with " us " we want something more. we want something that has more meat on it then this.
that is what every one is trying to get at.
its not complaning . its not crying. its not QQing.
its " us " as players as people that spent real money on a game that was sapost to stay B2P indefanitly.
it all comes down to. we want more. " us " the payed players. want more. then just a pat on the back and a " you did good. thank you for buying our game. befor we made it F2P heres stuff you allready have. oh and one free item from the item store thats going to " cost " bits latter enjoy "
oh and dont forget it was stated some where at some time. in some thread or page some where by trick or one of the other devs that we are sapost to be geting a new area of the game maybe that will be released when the game goes F2P and we can finaly go exsplore it befor the noobs rush in .
Yesterday i bought an dinner paid 25 dollars for it and i ate it. Today i require to get reimbursed cause i no longer posses the energy that dinner gave me yesterday.
Dont get me wrong i really enjoyed the dinner but they give "all you can eat" offer next Saturday and i feel wronged now.
And even tho they offered me an free snack home delivery for next few weeks as an special gift for having an dinner yesterday i think i am gonna cry now.
Making up numbers is awesome. The reality is none of that is happening or will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by cary2010haha
Good analogy. I was thinking one with cars. Say I buy a new car the day they are released. Near the end of that year, the price for that same model of new car has dropped a good bit. As I drive my car, it depreciates daily as I put more miles on it. But in the meantime, it's been getting me where I'm going so it's worth the price to me. I don't expect free gas, free tires, or anything else with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hopeisdead
I rarely buy games until the price drops, but Defiance was pre-order for me - the TV/game concept sounded too cool like the next big thing to me! I wanted IN! So I paid. And for the most part I've played for a YEAR and in total, spent about $250 between game, DLC's, and cash shop. Most weeks, I played 30+ hours. That is one H3LL of a lot of entertainment for the price.
Think about it. If you've been playing Defiance since April 2013, how much time vs. cost is that really? If you've been wise and stayed out of the cash shop in general it's pretty cheap entertainment.
Go to the movies every week and see how much you'd spend on 2.5 hours a week after an entire year - 52 movies, that's a total of 130 hours of entertainment across one year. Movie ticket, plus popcorn, plus drink..say $15 per week. That's a whopping $780 folks. For much less time spent being entertained. Much, much less.
The money I've spent on Defiance is so long ago that I don't even miss it now. I'm not going to buy bits, no need. I'm levelled up and someone else can foot the bill for awhile.
So I just can't really complain about F2P. Just can't.
I think this says it allQuote:
Originally Posted by Hopeisdead
I never like to reply to complainers on these boards but for once felt compelled to add my two cents. Whether or not you like the F2P model or not (I really don't care one way or the other), what this does is it gives me hope that this game will continue to receive development attention from Trion and I will be able to enjoy playing this game like I have since the game was released. While this game is without a doubt, the glitchiest game I have ever played on my 360, it is also hands down one of the funnest games I have played and have put more time into playing it than any other game on my 360 over the last 10 years.
For the people that are complaining they got ripped off because the payed full price for the game upon release and/or bought the DLC, I think Concretesnake was right with his comments addressing that. If you look at any game that had longevity and I will use Borderlands as my example (another awesome game), those games are usually released later down the line with all of the DLC included with the main game and at a cheaper price than the original game.
As is the case with almost anything you buy today, early adopters will always pay more. I for one just hope I can continue to enjoy playing this game for another year and since this game is a MMO, the more people playing, the better the game "hopefully" will be. It would seem to me that very few players playing the game = no reason for Trion to keep the servers running.
Dammit! I wanted to use this one! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by dramaQkarri
I buy new games often. I never buy new cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by dramaQkarri
I can't complain about f2p at all.
Looking forward to it really.
Go ahead and do it - I didn't mention insurance!Quote:
Originally Posted by rebtattoo
I liked my movie cost comparison better actually - $780 to go to movie once a week, $15 x 52 weeks. 130 total hours of entertainment in one YEAR.
You forgot to mention the part where you didn't rage when the movies eventually could be viewed on television for free. >^^<Quote:
Originally Posted by dramaQkarri
Badda Bing! Reckon, I'll have to boycott movies and tvs now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Deunan
It's a hermits life for me!
If this is managed anywhere near as well as Rift's F2P model this will only be a good thing for the longevity of the game as a viable product for Trion which all us should want if we wish to keep playing.
I could make some good analogies about this issue but i wont. I don`t want to confuse anyone :)
Bring the FTP on, bring it on , we need more players for the meet grinder.
My only concern is the servers (or the lack of them). Trion needs to fix the lag and server disconections because if they don`t, people will go away very fast.
I'm with ya on this!Quote:
Originally Posted by drackiller
I love how Scapes claims that PS3 server stability is good. LOL! If he considers discos 3 times an hour and at least 1 hard freeze a night good, I can see why the game "needs" to go to F2P!
They've been working on it for months. The hamsters needed time to grow but they will be good to go come this June:Quote:
Originally Posted by drackiller
http://i.imgur.com/hg6N5he.jpghttps://nomadicgamer.files.wordpress...2788944201.jpg
He says that cuz his definition of what server stability is and is not, is different from what we all think. Or whatever. Spin it any way they want, it's going to need a major overhaul!Quote:
Originally Posted by rebtattoo