24 players to a warmaster room?

I thought the match only held 24 people? Now i see up to 50+ people glitching in. Did Trion mean for that to happen or is it like i said a glitch? I've been apart of groups that can kill the wardragon with 15 people and now i'm being ask to wait an hour to try to fill the room with at least 40 so we can kill him in under 2 min. Where is the skill or fun in that? I think if you have to have 50 people to do something that half of them can do with time to spare. Then you don't know what you are doing and should rethink your loadouts. This is a game and should be about having fun and the warmasters aren't fun when it's done a min after it starts and dosn't bother to give us any rewards. but the rewards thing is a seperate problem. Although they could be connected

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Originally Posted by Cyborg Superman

I thought the match only held 24 people? Now i see up to 50+ people glitching in. Did Trion mean for that to happen or is it like i said a glitch? I've been apart of groups that can kill the wardragon with 15 people and now i'm being ask to wait an hour to try to fill the room with at least 40 so we can kill him in under 2 min. Where is the skill or fun in that? I think if you have to have 50 people to do something that half of them can do with time to spare. Then you don't know what you are doing and should rethink your loadouts. This is a game and should be about having fun and the warmasters aren't fun when it's done a min after it starts and dosn't bother to give us any rewards but the rewards thing is a seperate problem. Although they could be connected

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That was the way TRION found to nerf the Warmaster, they allow more players to join.
And , even that way isn`t very easy.
We PS3 EU players are doomed to fail after fail even with 24 or more.
Reasons:
Noobs
Lockbreakers (premature *******s)
BMG`s all over the chamber (******* spanner protector users are the worst of them all)
Infectors.

Only one good thing lately, i don`t see many people using cold fire weapons.

Is 40+ too many people in a Warmaster event? Probably. That said, it's been proven to me time and again recently that 24 doesn't cut it anymore. The new scaling system muffs things up too much for just 24 people- especially when most shooters coming into a Warmaster arena are n00bs, jerks or idiots who try and take on the newly-buffed Warmaster on when only 12 people are in. The problem is that most people can't coordinate their tactics and just shoot at whatever they can get a bead on, which is a waste. Trion's issues with the patches they've been putting out that keep breaking one thing or another is no big help, either.

In the last week I've gone into only a handful of Warmaster arenas and have decided to swear them off until things get fixed in there. I'm sick and tired of wasting my time and in-game resources (especially if I'm one of the people who's laid down batteries) only to be met with failure AND no loot for my troubles.

Yes, this is "just" a game. But the funny thing about games is that people play them with the expectation that, if they learn how to play it well enough, they'll win.

Not too many people are successfully taking down the WM since this last DLC. So... until it and a whole laundry list of other things get fixed by Trion, my take on it is this: bring on as many shooters as possible.

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Originally Posted by drackiller

That was the way TRION found to nerf the Warmaster, they allow more players to join.
And , even that way isn`t very easy.
We PS3 EU players are doomed to fail after fail even with 24 or more.
Reasons:
Noobs
Lockbreakers (premature *******s)
BMG`s all over the chamber (******* spanner protector users are the worst of them all)
Infectors.

Only one good thing lately, i don`t see many people using cold fire weapons.

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+10 dude, I've also had to report the occasional 5k+ EGO players to their clan leaders/officers because they think it's good enough to go bmg/bug gun or double bug gun... Ok fresh newbies doing that and not knowing what to do, fair enough. However anyone who is 5k+ pulling newbie **** otta be kicked outta the WM room and or the clan they're in.

Completely disagree. I see many low level toons that wouldn't be able to help complete this without a larger group. It is an elitist idea to make it harder on people with less skill.
I have seen you in these and know you can hold your own, but you have to consider the players that may not be as good at the game. It isn't fair to say they shouldn't get extra help.

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Originally Posted by B_Draco

+10 dude, I've also had to report the occasional 5k+ EGO players to their clan leaders/officers because they think it's good enough to go bmg/bug gun or double bug gun... Ok fresh newbies doing that and not knowing what to do, fair enough. However anyone who is 5k+ pulling newbie **** outta be kicked outta the WM room and or the clan they're in.

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You can't even see the big guys arm for all the bugs covering it.

You should be thankful
I'm a PC NA player and I haven't beat it for a while already,
there are not enough people, or too much noobs.

I wish 50 players "glitch" in every time.

You are complaining because the players organize successful raid runs lately? Something we've been desperate to do?
You absolutely better never be someone who complains about (1) breaking locks early, (2) BMGs, (3) Infectors, (4) Bio grenade, etc in the WM. Apparently you don't want it to win.
How absurd.

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Originally Posted by Lucent

You are complaining because the players organize successful raid runs lately? Something we've been desperate to do?
You absolutely better never be someone who complains about (1) breaking locks early, (2) BMGs, (3) Infectors, (4) Bio grenade, etc in the WM. Apparently you don't want it to win.
How absurd.

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all i said is the match isn't fun if it's over in 2 min or less. it's pointless even going if we don't even get the rewards. i'm down for having organized players but if we can beat him in under 2 min with all those people than that means we can beat him in under 4 with half the players and half the lag.

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Originally Posted by Combo Breaker

It is an elitist idea to make it harder on people with less skill.
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Complete and utter BS.

Aim for back not arm. Arm has dual armor plating so dps is spread across the arm back only has one plate therefore all dps is put into one spot therefore he dies alot faster. 8 to 12 people using this method and the right guns will kill him. This 35 to 50 in a room is just overkill and boring

Heh I don't think our server could kill the WM with 24 people. Maybe if we had only heavy hitters in there, but that just doesn't happen, too many noobs and griefers that require about 40+ for a kill.

I miss the damage leaderboards only in wm though

TLDR:
The warmaster fight is a PUG instance, so coordination is not going to be a easy task
I believe less would be better the more, due to Scaling
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I think less would be better then more, due to the way the Scaling system works (how I think it’s working) in creating it’s threat level’s. Have 3rd of the players in there below 500ego, and maybe six 5k+ ego with the rest in between, is just not going to work. Nor is use your favorite weapon and zerg.
I would rather do the Warmaster with just 16-18 players, that know what they’re doing, and working together, then 49 others just shooting what ever, with what ever, and getting no where.
I don’t think I have ever been in such a large WM fight either.
Like everyone else I dislike the waiting to have 24, but I’ll wait if that’s what they want. I see no reason for more. That’s just more players crawling on the floor. Less space for me to dodge the WM’s attacks, since now I may dodge an bomb that was targeted on me into someone else bomb that was targeted on them.

Welcome to another edition of "The Less the Worse, The More the Worst". I've never seen 50+ people inside the WM's Chamber. And If I see it I would agree that it would be ridiculous. Last night I had one of those experiences where there's only 15 people inside and 10 of them are Hungry, voracious noobs that listen to their Egos with fine detail and makes them break the locks without thinking about the consequences of their actions. What I do is stay in the upper deck where you fight The Volge and check the list of how many people are inside. I use team chat to ask the noobs not to break the locks before we get enough people. And if they do break the locks, I will let them enjoy the experience of being squashed like roaches by the WM.

Last night in particular I had to say goodbye early twice. It's like they have short term memory. They don't remember We have just been beaten bad by The Volge in the upper deck .Which btw, I've noticed that mob in particular has gone back to the 1.501 patch Cluster F unplayable mode lately. there was only one time last night we were able to control the noobs and get 26 people and beat the WM with maybe a minute remaining. that was a lot of fun indeed. So it's all about balance. But the concept of balance is one that the powers that be doesn't seem to quite fully grasp and understand at the moment. But that's for another thread.

I think a good way to help eradicate the noob urge is to promote this forum and invite them to come here and learn. If anybody asks about something on area chat. I always tell that person to come here and do some research. The more they know the better they play.

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Originally Posted by maverick07

Heh I don't think our server could kill the WM with 24 people. Maybe if we had only heavy hitters in there, but that just doesn't happen, too many noobs and griefers that require about 40+ for a kill.

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Even then there is a good chance that the WM will get away... Happened with around 50 people yesterday because most of 'em were low EGOers... VERY low...

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Originally Posted by 3rdpig

Complete and utter BS.

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You may be right. Just re-read the original post.WTF is a wardragon? I see the clan listed under his name glitching people into the Warmaster all the time so I am confused.

Or BS, whatever.

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Originally Posted by Combo Breaker

You may be right. Just re-read the original post.WTF is a wardragon? I see the clan listed under his name glitching people into the Warmaster all the time so I am confused.

Or BS, whatever.

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Yeah knights brings people so does the fallen and why so serious and many other clans/groups. This topic was about its boring and if trion intended this or is this a glitch that they will fix and people call the wm many things war dragon or monkey or i prefer giant evil ****** lol

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Originally Posted by The Unshackled

Yeah knights brings people so does the fallen and why so serious and many other clans/groups. This topic was about its boring and if trion intended this or is this a glitch that they will fix and people call the wm many things war dragon or monkey or i prefer giant evil ****** lol

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Lol. I like your version.