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  • 06-06-2014, 01:25 PM
    Big Jack Shepard
    5Ks Should Be Barred From Standard Difficulty
    I think the same rules that apply to expert difficulty should be applied in reverse.

    Also, this move would serve to populate the advanced difficulty.

    I haven't even tried advanced since I just know no one is there.
  • 06-06-2014, 01:31 PM
    Quebra Regra
    did you ever finish eating the billy goats gruff?
  • 06-06-2014, 01:36 PM
    Bonehead
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quebra Regra View Post
    did you ever finish eating the billy goats gruff?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34
  • 06-06-2014, 01:44 PM
    Odessa
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quebra Regra View Post
    did you ever finish eating the billy goats gruff?

    http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Oh_04c072_754047.jpg
  • 06-06-2014, 01:47 PM
    Big Jack Shepard
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quebra Regra View Post
    did you ever finish eating the billy goats gruff?

    Sorry, I don't get the reference.
  • 06-06-2014, 02:02 PM
    Quebra Regra
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Big Jack Shepard View Post
    Sorry, I don't get the reference.

    well they didn't go missing on their own did they?
    http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225...cmvSRWx3fg.jpg
  • 06-06-2014, 02:04 PM
    internaut
    Only reason 4, 5Kers do it is for contract rep, otherwise they are super boring. I sometimes just hang back to allow the lower EGOs some fun. Standard Co-ops are better known as "speed runs" by the elitists. Infact the expert co-ops have reached that definition to certain degree as well.
  • 06-06-2014, 02:12 PM
    DeadEye68
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by internaut View Post
    Only reason 4, 5Kers do it is for contract rep, otherwise they are super boring. I sometimes just hang back to allow the lower EGOs some fun. Standard Co-ops are better known as "speed runs" by the elitists. Infact the expert co-ops have reached that definition to certain degree as well.

    That's pretty much it. Any daily contract that doesn't have to be done in expert mode exclusively is completed much faster in std. And yes, expert co-ops have pretty much become "normal" difficulty after a couple of runs. Some of them to the point of having speed runs too.
  • 06-06-2014, 02:12 PM
    Big Jack Shepard
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quebra Regra View Post
    well they didn't go missing on their own did they?
    http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/d/l225...cmvSRWx3fg.jpg

    CRIXDA and Shadow Andreas talk about how you guys are a bunch of ppl who are in it to have fun and help each other.

    I'm not feeling that from you right now.

    What is your problem?
  • 06-06-2014, 02:30 PM
    Quebra Regra
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Big Jack Shepard View Post
    CRIXDA and Shadow Andreas talk about how you guys are a bunch of ppl who are in it to have fun and help each other.

    I'm not feeling that from you right now.

    What is your problem?

    Methinks I'm the "problem child" of the group? Could be I'm just an @##hole. Likely the latter.

    Wha, you no like my troll-baby? Dang it now my feelings are hurt :(

    To be honest I was pretty certain you weren't serious. Rather then ugly the place up with more talk of "barring" content, howsabout you group up with some folks and run some experts? Join a clan, or look for me in game, somebody is always up for an expert. I'll tell you this for nothing, there's NO incentive to run advanced. Speed Run the ez for knocking out contracts, and run EXPERTs for rep/CORES, etc.

    What's the real issue here?
  • 06-06-2014, 02:31 PM
    Roez
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by internaut View Post
    Only reason 4, 5Kers do it is for contract rep, otherwise they are super boring. I sometimes just hang back to allow the lower EGOs some fun. Standard Co-ops are better known as "speed runs" by the elitists. Infact the expert co-ops have reached that definition to certain degree as well.

    I do this too. I look over the other EGO rating players and see what their rank is. My wife mentioned a lot how much she dislikes the co-ops now. Almost every time there is someone who just races through. Boring as hell. They were a blast at launch.
  • 06-06-2014, 02:34 PM
    Almiel
    @OP Already suggested: http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...043&viewfull=1
  • 06-06-2014, 02:35 PM
    Omnifarious Xji
    While I won't agree with you, I will say this: I'm rather sick of having a fun, nice little battle, only to have it (the game) suddenly turn my fun little scuffle into a life and death situation. All because the threat level jumped from 2 to 10 as a result of an EGO 5,000 player driving by.
  • 06-06-2014, 02:36 PM
    Deunan
    I have no problem with this. There are level gates like this for other MMOG's. The expert maps are so easy now it doesn't matter.
  • 06-06-2014, 02:36 PM
    Big Jack Shepard
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quebra Regra View Post
    Methinks I'm the "problem child" of the group? Could be I'm just an @##hole. Likely the latter.

    To be honest I was pretty certain you weren't serious. Rather then ugly the place up with more talk of "barring" content, howsabout you group up with some folks and run some experts? Join a clan, or look for me in game, somebody is always up for an expert. I'll tell you this for nothing, there's NO incentive to run advanced. Speed Run the ez for knocking out contracts, and run EXPERTs for rep/CORES, etc.

    What's the real issue here?

    I am in a clan.

    I will do expert maps with you whenever you like, as long as they aren't speed runs. My EGO is 5802 and my name in game is DJACK.

    If you will read my OP again you will see that I am trying to breathe some life into advanced.

    Edit: the D is silent :)
  • 06-06-2014, 02:37 PM
    DSW
    if you want high-egos to leave you easy-peasy maps alone, group up with 3 more of similar ego, not ask for another barring patch.


    and the only reason for Advanced maps is to grind DM Bunker arena for loot.
  • 06-06-2014, 02:38 PM
    Deunan
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Big Jack Shepard View Post
    If you will read my OP again you will see that I am trying to breathe some life into advanced.

    It won't work unless you level gate the advanced maps too. That's the next place they'll go.

    EDIT: I thought your OP said expert. You'll still have overpowered 5000s speed running on you in the advanced maps though.
  • 06-06-2014, 02:38 PM
    Zombie Stark
    I personally don't have a problem with my high ego being locked out of standard co-ops. After patch 2.0 enemies seem less sponge-y now. Not to mention the fact that you can skip forward through most maps.
  • 06-06-2014, 02:41 PM
    firemist
    Another solution is to allow +5k egos to run the std solo
  • 06-06-2014, 02:42 PM
    DSW
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Zombie Stark View Post
    I personally don't have a problem with my high ego being locked out of standard co-ops. After patch 2.0 enemies seem less sponge-y now. Not to mention the fact that you can skip forward through most maps.

    you can't skip at least soleptor sexcavation, island of lost in translation and command deer cronkhite.

    only reason i'm jumping to TL1 maps is because i need these g'damn 10 rep points and don't care about map rewards
  • 06-06-2014, 02:43 PM
    Big Jack Shepard
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Deunan View Post
    It won't work unless you level gate the advanced maps too. That's the next place they'll go.

    EDIT: I thought your OP said expert. You'll still have overpowered 5000s speed running on you in the advanced maps though.

    Yeah, I don't have much hope for advanced.

    However, I think it is really silly to have 5Ks god-moding standard.
  • 06-06-2014, 02:44 PM
    Big Jack Shepard
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by firemist View Post
    Another solution is to allow +5k egos to run the std solo

    I'm cool with this.
  • 06-06-2014, 02:44 PM
    Pandur
    Sure go ahead, expert egos are easily soloable at this point, not sure why i would bore myself through standard anyways :P
  • 06-06-2014, 02:50 PM
    Bentu
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by firemist View Post
    Another solution is to allow +5k egos to run the std solo

    This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  • 06-06-2014, 02:50 PM
    Odessa
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Omnifarious Xji View Post
    While I won't agree with you, I will say this: I'm rather sick of having a fun, nice little battle, only to have it (the game) suddenly turn my fun little scuffle into a life and death situation. All because the threat level jumped from 2 to 10 as a result of an EGO 5,000 player driving by.

    Has it been as bad since the last update? I know that when I am on my lower character I will try and race through the daily contracts and hope no one jumps on. Instead of watching for enemies I seem to spend more time glancing at the TL. I go from strategic battle to insta downed otherwise. I've fared a little better as of last night, but still hate to see purple dots show up. I used to welcome them. On the flip side, I've had lower EGOs flee when I am on my higher character and end up doing the event solo. I never leave if I see someone there, since the level is already kicked up. But it would be nice for them to be back up.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Big Jack Shepard View Post
    I am in a clan.

    I will do expert maps with you whenever you like, as long as they aren't speed runs. My EGO is 5802 and my name in game is DJACK.

    If you will read my OP again you will see that I am trying to breathe some life into advanced.

    Edit: the D is silent :)

    So you are seeking people for Advanced mode? I admit to grouping up to do quick run throughs of normal maps we need for contracts and miss getting through out the week. I hate running through with randoms, simply because I feel guilty. I've done it once or twice and decided I'd rather skip than take away from their experience. I remember the battle and it was fun. I just don't want to spend my whole time doing maps.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by firemist View Post
    Another solution is to allow +5k egos to run the std solo

    I wouldn't mind this at all. We actually do clan shoutouts to start maps so we can run through it. People either hang out or leave so we can advance.
  • 06-06-2014, 02:52 PM
    Zombie Stark
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DSW View Post
    you can't skip at least soleptor sexcavation, island of lost in translation and command deer cronkhite.

    only reason i'm jumping to TL1 maps is because i need these g'damn 10 rep points and don't care about map rewards

    You definitely can skip through all three of those. I just think its fair to leave the standard co-ops to low ego players. Especially now with an influx of new players coming. With EGO 5000+ rushing through killing everything with a single bullet, they won't be able to experience the co-ops like we did when we first started playing.
  • 06-06-2014, 02:54 PM
    Big Jack Shepard
    Odessa, you nailed it with the guilty comment.

    We don't belong there.
  • 06-06-2014, 02:59 PM
    Error404
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DSW View Post
    you can't skip at least soleptor sexcavation, island of lost in translation and command deer cronkhite.

    only reason i'm jumping to TL1 maps is because i need these g'damn 10 rep points and don't care about map rewards

    You can. <3
  • 06-06-2014, 03:00 PM
    DSW
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Zombie Stark View Post
    You definitely can skip through all three of those.

    and how do i skip that ranting a-hole named Varus that's hiding after my back? you can't open doors until he decides so.
  • 06-06-2014, 03:00 PM
    Roez
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Big Jack Shepard View Post
    Yeah, I don't have much hope for advanced.

    However, I think it is really silly to have 5Ks god-moding standard.

    You don't need to be 5k. I was running through them at 2800ish EGO and basically one burst killing everything in short order. It would have been easy--a joke--solo.

    I think the better solution is to simply have a beginner co-op map for people with less than 1000 EGO (providing there are enough people now with F2P), even if they have the same mobs as standard. Simply give those people the option of what one they want to go into.
  • 06-06-2014, 03:08 PM
    DeadEye68
    This has turned into a no win situation, fivers have pretty much turned into unwelcome guests no one wants around but are expected to give access to expert maps. If we're a nuisance to the point lower egos want us gone, will they remove themselves from the game once they've reached the same level ?
    As for the supposed "griefing" stemming from bumped threat levels, that's a door that swings both ways. Quite often stuff I'm doing at TL 6-7 solo (game seems to consider that to be what I should be playing at) gets bumped up to TL 10 by a couple of lower EGOs jumping in, only to run away after a few downs, leaving you to fend off hostiles at TL 10 (which is manageable) facing amounts of enemies tailored for 3, 4 or more players (which gets pretty overwhelming).
  • 06-06-2014, 03:08 PM
    Quebra Regra
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Big Jack Shepard View Post
    I am in a clan.

    I will do expert maps with you whenever you like, as long as they aren't speed runs. My EGO is 5802 and my name in game is DJACK.

    If you will read my OP again you will see that I am trying to breathe some life into advanced.

    Edit: the D is silent :)

    Gor! Yer ego is far beyond mine.

    o.k., now I'm really confusled... Why would you want to do ADVANCED when you could do EXPERT? IMHO, they should just ditch the ADVANCED maps if there are never going to be contracts/specific rewards tied to them.
  • 06-06-2014, 03:10 PM
    Quebra Regra
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bentu View Post
    This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    3rd'd!!!! I am 3rd on this yes?

    This would save a lot of annoyance for speed running tactics.
  • 06-06-2014, 03:19 PM
    Big Jack Shepard
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quebra Regra View Post
    Gor! Yer ego is far beyond mine.

    o.k., now I'm really confusled... Why would you want to do ADVANCED when you could do EXPERT? IMHO, they should just ditch the ADVANCED maps if there are never going to be contracts/specific rewards tied to them.

    Actually, it can be kind of hard to get an expert game together since almost everyone wants to speedrun experts. I'm in the FREEMASONS, which is big as hell, and finding non-speedruns is difficult some times.
    Why would I want to do advanced?...I don't know, just because. I'm not feeling an overpowering feeling to do it right this moment if thats what you are wondering.

    :)
  • 06-06-2014, 03:23 PM
    Quebra Regra
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Big Jack Shepard View Post
    Actually, it can be kind of hard to get an expert game together since almost everyone wants to speedrun experts. I'm in the FREEMASONS, which is big as hell, and finding non-speedruns is difficult some times.
    Why would I want to do advanced?...I don't know, just because. I'm not feeling an overpowering feeling to do it right this moment if thats what you are wondering.

    :)

    With the recent changes, I'm a little worried that the EXPERT maps will become too much cake. It was nice to have to have a decent team on the ball to complete them (hoodini bugs nonwithstanding). I notice the double hulker spawns seem to be gone. :(

    I can't believe I'm actually crying about this...
  • 06-06-2014, 03:25 PM
    Pandur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quebra Regra View Post
    With the recent changes, I'm a little worried that the EXPERT maps will become too much cake. It was nice to have to have a decent team on the ball to complete them (hoodini bugs nonwithstanding). I notice the double hulker spawns seem to be gone. :(

    I can't believe I'm actually crying about this...

    The two that were the dailies (Island and Soleptor) were total cake, they are easily soloable now.
    I haven't tried any others, maybe someone else has, but i expect them to be the same.
  • 06-06-2014, 03:26 PM
    Big Jack Shepard
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quebra Regra View Post
    With the recent changes, I'm a little worried that the EXPERT maps will become too much cake. It was nice to have to have a decent team on the ball to complete them (hoodini bugs nonwithstanding). I notice the double hulker spawns seem to be gone. :(

    I can't believe I'm actually crying about this...

    Almost everything is cake @5K+ w/ a decent OJ.
  • 06-06-2014, 03:27 PM
    Pandur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Big Jack Shepard View Post
    Almost everything is cake @5K+ w/ a decent OJ.

    Yeah it was easy before 2.0 but experts have been heavily nerfed yet again.
  • 06-06-2014, 03:28 PM
    Quebra Regra
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Big Jack Shepard View Post
    Almost everything is cake @5K+ w/ a decent OJ.

    The double hulkers in 101, and soleptor were a challenge (and the hoodini rioters!)... for me anyway.
  • 06-06-2014, 03:30 PM
    Odessa
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Quebra Regra View Post
    With the recent changes, I'm a little worried that the EXPERT maps will become too much cake. It was nice to have to have a decent team on the ball to complete them (hoodini bugs nonwithstanding). I notice the double hulker spawns seem to be gone. :(

    I can't believe I'm actually crying about this...

    I can't believe you are either... but my view of the expert maps is that they're grindy. Not as bad as before, but the fact that it's the SAME map I've been playing since they first opened up means it's just for the Cores, not for the fun. I'd rather run around doing Incursions or Arkfalls (in between my Monkey Runs) than be stuck on a map with houdini enemies, annoying Boss battles and the same three statements being said by the different enemy types over and over and over.
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