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I've seen a couple of wiki's/wikia's and "Defiancedata.com" but honestly, the wiki pages just suck and Defiancedata, as good as it might be for some things, it lacks a LOT of info about vendors and items which is my main interest when I'm visiting such pages.
So if I were to compare, let's say, all of the epic weapons from rep vendors, is there any way to do it other than going one by one in-game?
Defiancedata is the best you're gonna find (and way more than this game deserves).
I think you should really look closer into Defiance Data. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you are looking to do, there is a page listing the different vendors as well as the weapon/mods that can be stocked there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aesteras
VENDOR PAGE is where I started, then was able to go through the various ones to see what weapons can be available as well as basic information.
Well I admit I'm still new to this world but as far as I know, and unless all this weapons are called "-" and have no stats at all, despite having different prices, this is not how a complete list of items is supposed to be:Quote:
Originally Posted by Odessa
Von Bach Industries:
http://i.imgur.com/sgmldfu.png
Top-Notch Toolworks:
http://i.imgur.com/0288ee5.png
And this is just two of them for the sake of brevity.
You can't put stats on things because they vary by EGO level--even if rounded. They change on who is looking. Plus, the sales, etc., change. The things that don't change are the mod vendors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aesteras
I'm uncertain whether weapon bonus rolls vary though. I've never bothered checking.
Ok.. first off.. I'm not directly related to any of the sites, not even DefianceData.
Now.. let me break this down for you...
There are over 300 DIFFERENT weapons in Defiance (if you include the special vendor weapons that you get at higher levels for completing daily missions, even more).. each of those can have any of 1 to 5 different rarities.. any of 6 different nano effects.. any of several different synergies, and more than two dozen different bonus effects (dependent on rarity) that can be applied to them. So.. that said.. your looking at an ASTRONIMICAL amount of data to put into anyone webpage. Rarities, nano's, and synergies all apply across the board at any vendor, so saying what weapon with what nano and what rarity you want to see as a "possibility" is pretty much a huge "shake and bake" type question. No one's going to be able to give you that answer.
That being said, it's also why we've started the new lock box project, just in it's infancy, where myself along with those at DD and volunteers in the game are collecting the data. This is going to take some time, and even then won't be a "sure fire" test to get exactly what you want. Defiance parses out lock box drops using a Random Number Generator, so you may never see the same weapon twice, or you may see the same weapon multiple times.
If your looking for that "IT" gun with the synergies and whatnot.. you may just want to bank your pennies and keep your eyes on the vendors for it to be the "special" sale.
Regarding EGO rating, isn't it just as easy as creating a new character and going to each vendor without completing anything and writing the base stats (which I believe is the method they're already using in the rest of their data)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roez
And regarding stats and bonus rolls, and also replying to:
I understand that stats vary and weapons have random generated bonuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by PseudoCool
But do faction vendor weapons' bonuses vary too? I may be wrong, I haven't checked, but the logical thing to think for me is they don't. So if that's so, I don't understand why there's those empty spaces in the pictures I've uploaded.
And even if they do you could just let it as "random bonus 1" "random bonus 2" etc. and at least say the name, type, rarity, base stats (not bonus) and price of the weapon... That kind of stuff.
If you notice things missing at DD, please make a note if you find the answers and help them out. The best info I have gotten is from them, beats anything the game devs them selves have put out there for us. You could also search these forums and look for the post about community links to search for more info.
Just sayin
While I do not have any affiliation (thought I'd add that) to the site, it's the only one I've come to find most of the answers on. I usually do a quick Google to see if there's anything else and only one instance did that get me the information I needed to date. So to answer your specific question, I have not found any site that lists ALL weapons, etc... I was focusing on the thread title, which is more for basic information to start you off. For that, you have your answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aesteras
The site is forever adding information as people help out. I've actually sent Etaew messages requesting data and he is more than approachable and tries to accommodate. I'll message him to take a look at this thread in hopes that he can answer your question in regards to the missing weapons.
"that kind of stuff" changes constantly, meaning with every update some one would have to go around and check and update every weapon. But the sort of info you are looking for would take up a page per weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aesteras
Hey thanks for bringing this up, honestly that vendors section hasn't been updated for a while, it uses an old item system on DD, so whe. I started cleaning it up a few of the links broke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aesteras
I need to redo this section and would welcome assistance from anyone with motivation, the new items system is good enough now to handle things well enough. The danger is that items change as your EGO rating increases, so I'd need to better understand just how the items change. Do the bonus rolls remain the same and just the damage etc increase as normal with ego rating?
Would you mind posting the specifics of what you need? Even a new thread so people can shout out which one's they'd check and for what EGO. I'm sure I could do a quick check off of what you need for at least two characters, maybe three. The two lower EGOs are within 100 points, so I'm not sure if there would be any difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Etaew
Thank you once again for jumping in to help.
And the weapons you've posted are not what we refer to as "faction" weapons. THe weapons you've listed are common weapons, and can even be dropped by Mobs during open world conflicts. Faction weapons are things such as Thorn Liro, 7th Legion, and some of the VBI variants from the VBI vendor using daily contract points. I'm not sure, as was stated by Manstan, that anyone has ever taken the time (nor would be inclined to do so) to constantly check each of the faction vendors at various levels to see how the stats change.
Yeah, I'll see if I can remember to do that later tonight. My main objective for today is to get as much done on presenting information for returning players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Odessa
Defiance Data and Defiance Wiki are packed with information.
Defiance Wiki has everything there is to know about characters and lore. It has nearly everything there is to know about the Defiance universe.
And Defiance Data is awesome. For sure some weapon roll data needs updating but those things changed a few times since the release of the game that it would be crazy to keep up with it all, especially the master rolls guns get. As a avid player and veteran of Defiance I still use Defiance Data.
Speaking of which, I might break my policy of not linking to competitors sites, because the wiki is the best collection of lore information and should be credited as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nefarious
Say it ain't so, Etaew?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Etaew
@op. Anyway with most vendor guns the rolls synergies and nanos do tend to be different for each person. The faction weapons don't seem to ever change though. The standard vendors don't have epics in them all the time, only faction vendors do. The standard vender specials change and can be any non-dlc gun of uncommon to epic rarityin the game, with random nanos synergies and rolls. Btw Defiance data is done by a player. He tries to get Trion to give him info but he can only do so much when he has time, and all the info on gear has changed atleast 4 times since launch last year.
@Etaew again. looking at your sig you obviously need this.
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/73...1f88b4577d.jpg
Haha, guess I can +1 that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Atticus Batman
Ok, now it seems I'm the bad guy :|
I like DefianceData. I use it a lot. I used it to see the rollers there were avalable in-game (which led me to complete the Pedal to Metal pursuit), I used it to check the Outfits and I go there every time I need something. And of course I do indeed appreciate the work of anyone involved with it.
I was just wondering how a set of vendor items which seemed to be always the same weren't listed there, and as I wasn't to start a topic asking here to get that fixed there, I asked if anyone knew where I could find that info.
If they do change, I haven't noticed it.
I'm not asking someone to get me a full list of every item in-game with all its combinations of bonus rolls, which is what some people seem to understand around here.
Some vendors show the same items, but if you look at the Weapon Power Rating it will increase in intervals, and I haven't looked through recently to see how much that changes at each milestone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aesteras
Sorry if you know feel like you were seen as a bad guy. The simple answer is, (Ignoring specials) The guns themselves do not change, but the rolls, nanos and some synergies are different for each person. We still haven't figured out if it is changed slightly based on the person's ego rating or if it just shows each person a different list of those weapons every couple of days. It has been over a year and we still can't get an answer on that. All Etaew can post on his (non-trion affiliated) site are the answers he, and we figure out, with the occasionl tidbit from Trion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aesteras