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Take a generous helping of Halo, a cup of Borderlands, some Mass Effect and a splash of Defiance - slam it into a Kitchen Aid on Puree and what do you get?
Oh, You get the "Big Bad Trion Killer!!"
DESTINY!
YEAH YEAH YEAH.
I am playing the little beta thing on XBOX and whoop-dee-doo.
It has a few decent features but I am staying home so far.
Sure, Defiance can learn from Destiny - but the opposite can also be said.
Reaction.....?
I do not own any of the consoles. Sadly I cannot say either way.
If your playing on the old Xbox i'm guessing you're not really playing Destiny.
okay your opinion is based off a few days beta compared to a game a year old.
imo
the beta performance wise puts Trion to shame,
granted the earth level was limited but there still places I couldn't explore due to enemies being so high.
I played both version of the beta on x1 and 360 360 has performance issues it felt if the framerate kept dropping. x1 version felt smooth if it wasn't for the logo in the right corner id say it was near perfect.
loading screens do feel long hopefully that's different in the final product
I first played the x1 version then I played the 360 version my toons were there and my progress was the same I was delighted about that because now I may be getting 2 versions of the game.
I didn't like the map of planet being based on one area maybe that be different in the full game
overall id give the beta( which is a small part of the game) 7 out 10
I like defiance I played it from day1, I've suffered through countless bugs and server issues
defiance has a little over a month to get it sorted or the game wont last another year on consoles
Trion comes up with disappointments alot though so I ain't expecting much
I'll address the original poster here, but first, to QipQip:Quote:
Originally Posted by QipQip
Having tried the Destiny beta on both PS4 and PS3, I can tell you flat-out that there is almost no difference whatsoever in the gameplay between the next gen and current gen consoles. The only real difference is a mild dulling graphically, which is almost entirely a matter of (a) resolution and (b) how the lighting works.
That being said:
Yes, I'd agree that we have two games here that will be endlessly compared because they *seem* similar in intent and gameplay, but that comparison is not entirely valid. Their broadest goals might be similar, but their execution and focus are quite different.
Having played the Destiny Alpha and the Destiny Beta (including Iron Banner PVP), it seems that Destiny is primarily a shooter with MMO elements being mostly a secondary if not tertiary concern. The game plays smoothly, feels good in terms of the gameplay, and is relatively balanced (which has resulted in a LOT of arguing on the Destiny forums over nerfing EVERYTHING because of PVP and how EVERYONE seems to get their *** kicked from time to time). I'm intrigued by the story that we've seen and what has been hinted at in the Grimoire Cards that we're able to actually read at this point. (My Grimoire Score is 510 right now, and a ton of cards are "redacted," basically.)
Destiny isn't particularly varied in gameplay, though. It's a shooter, through and through, whether it is during a side mission, regular mission, strike, or PVP. I'm hoping for some other modes, but that appears to be it so far. What it does, it does well, but it doesn't do a lot. It also isn't a particularly social game for an MMO, if it's even right to call it that, as communication is limited to fireteams, and there are extreme limitations on how many players can be in the same environment at once before the game creates a new instance for another handful of players. There are no giant events like we have in Defiance.
That said, Defiance has suffered from a plethora of glitches, bugs, and server issues over the last "year plus." Its story doesn't feel particularly epic, leaving the most interesting stuff to the television series. However, it has kept up a steady stream of new content, even in only small doses, and it was more varied that Destiny appears to be out of the gate. In Destiny, it's "roaming PVE, regular mission PVE, ***-kicker PVE, PVP, or the rare open world event, still with limited players together." On Day 1, Defiance already had Arkfalls, Hotshots, Rampages, Time Trials, etc. and now has Sieges, Incursions, arenas, etc. Defiance is also more social in its construction, even on PS3, where people with mics are few and far between.
Defiance has shown longevity, evolution, and variety, with a third person shooter at its core and community elements not necessarily front and center but just a little off to the side. Destiny's beta has shown it to be a first person shooter with variety only in that realm, but a rather fun and solid experience in Beta form. Only time will tell as to its longevity, evolution, and whether it is truly able to handle the load of players when the game releases in September, even compared to tomorrow's goal of "breaking the game" with the 5 p.m. ET event they've arranged.
Me, I'll be playing both, and I'll enjoy the hell out of both, but the more I play the Destiny Beta, the more I think that the one thing I'll stop doing pretty soon after Destiny's launch will likely be the constant comparing of both.
EDIT: Response to a troll whose post is now gone. Move along, move along...
Destiny is made by bungie which also made the Halo series games. Having played Halo in the past, it was like playing Halo on ps3. Your character moves like a robot and lacks fluidity. If I wanted to play a game like that, I'd go buy a xbox 360 and play Halo. I'm happy with Defiance even if it has more hiccups than me after eating at Los Amigos.
hmm...lag and hard freezes...suprising on a fps but not unexpected. destiny can be chocked up as yet another fps shooter with a 2 week shelf life. just wish these game companies would call it what it is...its a DEMO not a beta. Beta would imply an in game feed back system so we could cut the living ****e out of it like you are SUPPOSED to do in betas.
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Originally Posted by konstantinov
Something I've noticed with Destiny and with Killzone: Shadow Fall before it on PS4. For some reason, playing an FPS (rather than a Third Person Shooter) on PS4 doesn't give me the motion sickness feeling that I always got with FPS games on PS3 or Xbox 360 and sometimes with earlier gen games. Anyone have any idea why?
the dawn patrol......you from Cincinnati by chance? bob the producer and eddie fingers have a morning show on the rock station webn.....man thats good times.
Destiny I think will beat Defiance into the ground if Trion doesn't fix the three biggest issues: Stability, being able to see everyone's unique outfits/characters, and proper scaling on enemies.
If they can get these three things right before September, then Defiance might have a chance.
If not, well you know...
defiance will stay unique as it iss no other game can offer same you can put your destiny in trash even more its only for consoles so double time trash defiance if open live every second changing game yea trion have to doo alot more to get in exelent stabile project how ever dont you dear to put even near destiny to defiance :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CRIXDA
by the way it wulld bee wery great iff trion wuld start learn from all other games it was what i was suggested they can doo much beter just to look how it goes in other games
I'm sure Defiance will continue and continue to screw up, I've played Destiny for four days now and had one freeze. "One". How many do we get in Defiance on a normal day? More than one.
I do like Defiance and I enjoy playing it but when Destiny hits the shelves I think that will be the end of my time here and in this game.
Edit. Unless they make my character the one that appears in the show lol. What ever happened to that?
Excellent analysis, Nathan. I agree with it entirely. I'd also think some people are using the Destiny Beta as "leverage" against Defiance. Perhaps some of these people do not want Destiny, they just want a better Defiance. Because, as you've put it well enough, they are really different games.Quote:
Originally Posted by nathanpbutler
I've played the Destiny beta for a few hours today, and maybe it's just me, but I found it gorgeous and... boring. It also felt very "heavy" to just walk around, the pacing of the game is slow. I never felt truly challenged, even when I faced enemies 6 leves above me. Also, I haven't found any way to evolve or mod my weapons, and I was very surprised about this. But I'm not putting a tag on anything about Destiny yet, because as I've said, I played it for just a few hours.
Perhaps I've became used to the thrill of large, hectic events in Defiance. Perhaps I'm even spoiled by it. I love Sieges, I love Incursions, I love Arkfalls and the overall sense there's always something massive happening somewhere in the world, and I can hop there and join it. I do not love being disconnected or the hard freezes on my PS3, but I think people wouldn't care about these issues *if not because they always want to play the game Defiance is*.
I'd also would like to point out that not a few months ago, Titanfall would be the end of all other FPSs (I was not here at the time Titanfall was launched, but I wonder if people also said it would be the end of Defiance). In a recent Kotaku article, they asked if people were still playing it. Not much, really (Of course, we cannot take a Kotaku poll as representative of the entire gaming community, but it's a well known site and I think the poll could hide a lesson or two about Hype). All things considered, Titanfall is "just" an online shooter (I'm not demeaning it, just classifying it as a genre). And the more I play Destiny, the more I feel the same about it. Without the massive co-op events Defiance hosts, how can one even compare the load Bungie's servers will have against Trion's? Everything runs fine in the Beta, because only a "few" people are playing it. Let's wait on that one. But of course, I'm not saying this excuses Trion's responsibilties in providing better servers for the Defiance community. Defiance stability issues must improve, or the F2P launch on consoles will be very stressful.
All in all, Defiance and Destiny feel like very different games to me, and I agree with you: I don't see any reason why not play both.
Link to the Kotaku article and results (as of the time of this post) below:
http://kotaku.com/are-you-still-play...all-1607397215
Are You Still Playing Titanfall?
I never bought the game. 41.66% (16,475 votes)
No, though I still own it. 25.86% (10,228 votes)
Yes, occasionally. 18.4% (7,278 votes)
Yes, regularly. 9.81% (3,881 votes)
No, I traded it/sold it. 4.27% (1,688 votes)
First, I want to say thank you to everyone for offering opinions here.
Second, I agree that Defiance cannot and eventually will not be able to compete with Destiny.
Like everyone has stated and the track record that we can lay out shows : laggy and buggy, still having the same unaddressed issues that we had since LAUNCH DAY. Seriously?
all real-world projections can make the prediction (and probability) that Destiny will have a longer and better shelf life, sales and blah blah blah.
It is friggin Bungie!
Look, don't sit back and say "well, you know - you only played it for 2 days and it was on the xbox 360 and not on the Xbox 1 like you are supposed to." If I could play Defiance on the X1 I would have had one of those a while ago.
Gameplay-wise, I prefer Defiance. I am not really sure how much more this has left in the tank and the next logical choice is pretty easy to me.
I'm suspecting the game that will come close to Defiance's "feel" could possibly be Firefly Online.
That looks pretty interesting, even though the graphics are a bit suspect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y98otfH9X8
Defiance will of course survive the launch of destiny. There is no question to it. Its almost impossible for one game to kill anotherggame because the player base would all have to leave for the new. That's not going to happen. To think it would is foolish. Somebody mentioned MMO and destiny is not an MMO. There is nothing massive about the amount of people playing in any given instance. All that aside and for all their differences destiny has impressed me with a beta. Defiance can't even impress me after a year of playing it. If these games were as similar as copyright laws and such would allow destiny would annihilate defiance. But that's to be expected. Bungie knows what they're doing. Trion hasn't got a clue. As for destiny vs defiance well I'm not leaving defiance for destiny. I've left defiance because of defiance. Trion is Defiance's worst enemy here. I already log in maybe a few times a week. Logged in last week to attempt to do contracts and had another disconnect about 10 minutes in and just said **** it I'm gonna go play oblivion. ;)
QFT and nothing but the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alastar
Destiny is different no doubt and better in terms of all the rest.
Still love Defiance, but it`s hard to keep playing this game in it`s present and past state.
Worst of all, i see people commenting against Destiny without even played the Alpha and now the Beta.
I bought the game for the PS4, it looks amazing there, but after also playing the Beta on my PS3 i can only say one thing: are you blind!?
The game plays on the PS3 almost as it plays on the PS4 (aside the graphical), sure there are problems and that is why they are testing the beta. That`s is also why they opened the beta to as much as possible players (also for good marketing ofcourse), they are stressing the servers.
I said it yesterday and i say this as a gut feeling, i bet that there are more people playing Destiny beta than people playing Defiance right now.
Sure , i already had one or two disconections trying to login on the PS4, promptly resolved and i already played almost 5 hours on my PS3 and...not one disco, i`ve only seen a couple of slowdowns in terms of frame rate, lag!? Nope...
I want to keep playing Defiance, but Defiance is making that hard for me every passing day.
I think it looks like fun, especially for fans of the series (which I am). But, it's a PC game so it's not really comparable to Destiny. Or to Defiance (for me) because I play on PS3.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyged
@Crix and others - I've found that playing the beta has gotten more fun as I started gaining weapons and armor and such. I still suck (I mean really suck) at PVP but it's pretty fun to get a kill. And if I were any good I would like it. I'm going to continue to play Defiance, but after critting out I might just turn it off and play Destiny instead. I think for PS3 players this will continue to be the biggest problem. I do hope Destiny will improve the social options, especially adding text chat. BTW if anyone wants to continue this discussion at the Bungie forums, I've set up a group/clan called "Defiant Few" for us all.
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Originally Posted by Piers
And some of the other comments in this thread are rather... cute... as well. :rolleyes:
It's just nice to play a game that works........................
I dont get why people keep comparing the two games. While hey have similar features Destiny is by no means an mmo. Sure it borrows mmo aspects of games but its not. Comparing the two games is like comparing apples to oranges. Besides this game came out a year ago and we are the last surviving players. No one remembers Defiance at this point except for us. Destiny is something new and exciting. But it will never change my love for Defiance and its community.
Isn't Destiny much closer to something like Warframe, rather than Defiance ?
The ways that Defiance and Destiny are alike. You shoot stuff to kill it, reap the rewards. Rinse & Repeat.
Beyond that there's little comparison.
Hopefully Destiny's menu system will be more intuitive at release. Menu systems shouldn't be a mini-maze game.
Hey we get to go to the moon today during the special event. That'll be fun. And I'm being serious, I always feel like my posts look sarcastic.
I have the beta on a PS3 but couldn't stand playing more than a few minutes. It's not coming out on PC anyways so that makes it a joke to me.
having played both i'll just offer my opinion :)
I wanted to love defiance on console. I enjoyed it to death for about 3 weeks. Unfortunately, the bugs, lack of progression and the graphics just couldn't keep me around on ps3.
I downloaded the free to play game on my pc and it's like night and day unfortunately. I enjoy it, enjoy the changes, but the progression issues are still there for me. Armor would had made a huge difference in defiance to me. I also wanted some more hubs. Regardless, i enjoy defiance on pc and the map feels huge and enjoyable. The lack of pvp is what ultimately keeps me from devoting serious time to the title.
Destiny,
stunning on my ps4 and looks great on my ps3. Not one game breaking bug. PvP brings me back to my childhood. THe pvp is smooth, fast, and really enjoyable and it's only a smidgen of what's to come. Progression, gear that has it's own unlocks and experience, same with weapons etc..
the tower is nice as a social hub.
Unfortunately, communication sucks. I mean it really sucks for a "open" game. No proximity chat, no chat windows etc..
it doesn't feel as open as the devs said. There are huge restrictions in the open world.
It's easily finished in beta and it leaves me wanting more.
I enjoy both games but as a console game, destiny wins hands down. I love defiance on my pc though and will probably continue to play as they update the game.
It's always amusing to see the PC Master Race go all "X, Y, and Z sucks because it isn't on PC" any time something good isn't coming to PC. One of the ingredients in a Master Race is apparently the mentality of a six year old.
Beware eugenics, the rise of the Elementary School Dictatorship!
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Originally Posted by DeadEye68
Hmmm, interesting suggestion. Well, as someone who played Warframe for 400+ hours, I wouldn't necessarily say its closer. But if you put Warframe in one corner, Defiance in the opposite corner, and plunked Destiny square in the middle - well, you might have something there.
The biggest differences as far as Warframe vs. Destiny are probably that Warframe is completely instance based with squad size typically (and limited to) four. Warframe is also heavily focused on how you build your frames and use their unique abilities - that has a much bigger impact on game play then the single super you have in Destiny - at least as far as we've seen.
The biggest similarity. for me anyways, is the quality of the developer. DE is excellent as far as community support & responsiveness and at growing the game. Very good social aspects as well.
dnt really like Destiny so far .. no open world, u meet in a Lobby or u choose a Event form Map ... sure no DCes and no Lag ... the Events cannot overlap, the world is not open ^^... only a few players in one Map so far ... the Level are dark and like Doom3 ... its first Person ... nothing new there ... hoped bungie wud have done a better Job ... next epic game will star wars battlefront.. destiny is from my opinion much to overrated ... Defiance much more better ^^
Seriously? You went there?Quote:
Originally Posted by nathanpbutler
I don't play on consoles because I don't want to spend money on both a PC and a console. I don't care what system anybody plays, it's their money and have a right to spend it on whatever they choose. For me, investing on a desktop computer makes more sense when it comes to spending money. Berating people because they play on a PC is just as childish as the so called "PC Master Race" berate console users.
It certainly is just as childish to berate someone playing on PC for their platform of choice as it is for consoles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magickats242
That wasn't what I was doing. Go back and read. I was simply berating those who do exactly what you just suggested: who make value judgments on what's good, what sucks, and what deserves any form of respect based solely on platform.
The only real problem with Defiance is stability and that is what destroys it for me. Last night i was doing the expert coop and dcd in the last stage fight , reloaded the game and dcd again immediatly upon trying to reenter the coop thats just ridiculous.
Defiance and Destiny arent very similar in playstyle and no Destiny doesnt blow Defiance away but after more than a year of crit-outs dc's and hard freezes (that destroyed a console) Im sick of it. At this point in time since the stability problem hasnt been fixed i have to asume it wont be and therefore will be spending the majority of my time on the game that deosnt kick me constantly.
Sorry OP but youre coming off as a fanboy.
The PC master race is what is a joke to me. Its not about you magickats someone else posted one line of ignorance.
There's no denying a faction of longtime players consider themselves to be a superior species because they perform better at something useless. Those are jerks before being PC players and would be whatever platform they'd be playing on. Problem, they're considered to be representative for all PC players.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigguy
There are less than pleasant individuals to be on found on both sides of the fence, and unfortunately they're also the most visible ones. Being proud of your personal level of achievement is fine, considering it to be a proof of superiority isn't.
At best it shows you haven't gone a long way since the "my dad is stronger than yours" stuff that prevails in schoolyards.
I miss Defiance, I really do. If I could play it on my console I would.
Also miss the Dawn Patrol, you guys rock!
That being said.
I'm currently enjoying the Destiny beta immensely.
I've had disconnects and a few glitchy stuffs, but nowhere near what Defiance had.
Don't wanna be a troll but Defiance keeps pissing me off.
They killed off Churchill for crying out loud!
Plus, there's armor in that other game.
Fight on, Crix!
After playing the beta I prefer Destiny over Defiance mainly because I wasn't much of an Arkhunter and I'd just go running the hills or roads to hunt enemies rather than doing Arks, Incursions or Sieges. Hiding in the hills and sniping 99ers was FAR more fun for me than driving to an Arkfall (only time I went was if I was bored or needed arkforge/keys). Plus I would disconnect several times in one event.
I will say this. These two games are pretty different from each other mechanics wise.
Defiance:
MMO
Events are focused on a needing a lot of people
Entire map is open
Third Person Shooter
Story missions are generally single player
Exploring doesn't do much for you
Enemies scale based on Threat Level (and can thus create bullet sponges)
Everyone is essentially the same due to shared perks
Destiny:
First Person Shooter
Map is open but what you see you can't always explore
MMO-ish
Events are not focused on needing a lot of players
Story missions are single player but later use a fireteam (3 members) to play them
Exploring is generally rewarding (you find loot or interesting enemies)
Enemies have a set level in certain areas (only bullet sponges are bosses or high tier enemies)
Classes determine different "perks"
Similarities:
Leveling (experience is gained from killing stuff and completing missions/events)
Its a shooter
Loot is pretty much the same: kill enemies, take stuff then get rid of it to make money
Has more than one person on the map at a time
Not everyone is in the same worldspace
Comparing Defiance to Destiny is like comparing Apples to Pear-apples, they have some similar things but they are mostly different.
Defiance has an actual overworld, it isn't instanced like Borderlands or Diablo like Destiny is....though I do really really wish Defiances overworld was bigger and had an urban city area. I mean where in SF, don't tell me a city area didn't survive, even across the bay.
Maybe even a forested area.
Either way, Apples to Oranges. Some will like Destiny more, and some will like Defiance more.
It's not hard to say Destiny will have better polish anyways, they have a far bigger budget, and, most likely better developers, not to be mean to Trion, but Bungie is a bunch of very talented people.
Another thing on Destiny, at least for consoles, is they have a long term goal. They made PS4/Xbox1 versions. While the older systems will be very alive for the next 2-3 years before they start to taper off and consoles get replaces by more people, Defiance has no long term goal in place for consoles.
They have to port it or the game will have an end date.
Not many people will keep a console hooked up to play just one game. Some will, but not the majority.
I'll stick to Defiance. Of course, I only have a PC and I personally never really liked the Halo games anyways. :P
...Of course, the constant D/Cs at the worst possible times makes me want to steal a tank and blow up Trion HQ. lol
Or just flat out quit the game and play another if there was another third person shooter MMO with an overworld.
My opinion is, if Destiny was on PC, I would play it.
Some games to me just play better on a PC. Destiny would be one of them.
As for which do I prefer XBox/PS# or PC I can only say that between the SO and I have the two latest XBox and PS models plus each has a desktop that will play any game on the market at max settings. Even beyond max setting with a few games that allow modding so that even more graphic detail can be crammed in. We have laptops as well but neither of us game on them very much.
Console only games I play on the console. If the game is PC or console I always go the PC route. As for those addicted to console controllers like my SO is well all I can say is you can use XBox/PS controllers on a PC too.
I guess I'll toss my two cents in. I played the Destiny beta on my Xbox 360 for a little bit. Didn't get past the first boss. It seems a lot like Halo 3, another game I downloaded for free and played for about a half hour. For me it won't be a threat to Defiance. I don't seem to have as many problems with the game as other people. I thank Bungie for the chance to try it out because now I won't have to buy it to find out I don't like it.