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If this happen, I might as well as quit. Upgrade all your weapons/shields to purple NOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deunan
This clinches it. Still in beta.
Credit where it's due though. The article was well written without any made up nonsense. Just a straightforward explanation of the change and the philosophy behind it. I found it refreshing.
Ohhhhhh Trion :(Quote:
after reviewing the data we see fewer players purchasing lockboxes with both our in-game currency and Bits
So soon we cannot upgrade blue to orange.
So items will drop that can't be upgraded and other items can only be upgraded once.
This change is because they're under the misguided impression that people aren't buying lockboxes as much because of the unlimited rarity upgrades. They couldn't be more disconnected from their playerbase if they tried at this point.
"Solely not a revenue choice." haha... man.
^ I know right. People are not buying lock box's with bits because the drop rate is horrendous and the orange guns you do pull are god awful.
Maybe it's just me but I thought the boxes weren't selling because they seem to suck so bad.
I wonder what this means for things like changing rolls..
Probably nothing. It will increase the appeal of buying dozens of lock boxes only to get an orange item with bad rolls because you can reroll the bad ones. You don't even have to grind for Arkforge to do it because you can buy that from the bit store.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Chump Norris
:::ducks:::
Yeah, seriously. Well, Trion is helping me enjoy Marvel Heroes more and more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch
No doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonehead
I have never, and will never, purchase a lockbox with Bits. Keys are easy to get, and so is scrip. Well, for now anyway. I'm sure Trick will nerf that as well like he did Arkforge. But I'll uninstall before I am forced to use Bits for a lockbox.Quote:
Originally Posted by duction
adding a way to infinity upgrade rarity in a game where one of the major selling points is loot chasing was dumb to begin with
Well, Trion, for me it's more viable to upgrade instead of purchasing lock boxes because 99.9% of what comes out of a lock box - including tier 4, is vendor trash. Make lock boxes the better option instead of nerfing rarity upgrades, because after the nerf, what's left for me but the garbage? Why would I "chase" garbage gear?Quote:
Our priority is to make Defiance the best game possible, and after reviewing the data we see fewer players purchasing lockboxes with both our in-game currency and Bits. And as we dig through this data from the past 2 months we realize the mistake we made: our introduction of essentially unlimited rarity upgrades removed the item chase from the game for many of our players.
I hope that is how they look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deunan
I have plans for some of the crap ive been holding on to :)
That's been a cry from the player base since launch. Obviously, not one Trion gives a damn about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prin
This sort of defeats the object of upgrading rarity - who's going to bother doing it if they can't get a legendary out of it?
They might as well remove the mechanic all together.
they never should have added the option anyway.... being able to upgrade the rarity of any item to the max defeats the whole point of having rare items since they are no longer rare as you can turn any item into oneQuote:
Originally Posted by crazyged
Either their lead Devs are the most inexperienced I have ever seen to not have realized players would upgrade to orange with the current system, or the bean counters at Trion stepped in because Bit sales are down.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyged
Honestly, after the past 15 months, it's an equal toss as to which it could be.
If anything, upgrading rarity should INCREASE bit sales - after all, it takes a chunk of arkforge to do it and it takes forever to just collect it.
I think they may be a little bit short-sighted here... I wonder what their sales figures will be like after the change.
They've effectively made arkforge pretty useless.
gotta love how when ya click on the discuss in forums link at the bottom of the article it takes ya to the archage site....hmmm guess they'd rather promote yet another new game than fix the ones they already have running
And everyone knows it, now we all got a free sucky bitstore box this week. Trashtastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prin
I agree. Many players would upgrade to orange (not always cheap) and then keep upgrading rating (also needing Arkforge). Now, I have a ton of Arkforge because I have the Veteran free Patron Pass, the free Patron Pass time from the TV codes, plus the free 30 days from finding the Gamestop Ultimate edition on deep sale last month. But a lot of the newer players don't have an Arkforge horde and would likely be looking at Bits to get some.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyged
The problem with Trick's "chase the loot" is that the Loot tables' RNG absolutely sucks. The grind to EGO 5000 is boring as all get out as the content gets stale before you get there (at least for me). Lockboxes are a joke. I pretty much only buy the damned things anymore when I am at the max 100 keys, and that's just to get rid of the keys.
Rare =/= good in this game. That's part of the problem with the loot system and is why that kind of take on the ability to upgrade rarity doesn't really hold much water. Finding a blue weapon with three good rarity bonuses and being able to upgrade it twice and dodge the bullet of getting a mediocre to outright useless Epic rarity bonus and then get one of the better Legendary ones is still a very rare thing requiring a significant investment of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquidacid
Exactly that. I was also lucky to get all the Veteran perks, so my favorite weapons are already orange. I have never and WILL never buy a lockbox (I mean, who wants four auto lobbers?) - who the hell does? People buy outfits and/or ARKFORGE...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasczak
I guarantee their bit sales will drop, not increase. They will find that out soon enough.
Please read it carefully, after the expansion comes out items that drop have a CHANCE of having the encryption status. These items have higher stats than other weapons which leads it to only being able to have the rarity upgraded once. The normal weapons will still be able to be brought all the way to oj
nah because people will still be upgrading purples to OJ since they are easier to get, which also happens to be the most expensive upgrade.. lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyged
it's already stupidly expensive to upgrade a purple to orange while the cost of upgrading whites and greens are tiny in comparison... I'd imagine a majority of the ark forge spent on upgrades overall was purple to OJ anyway
honestly tho the whole idea of being able to upgrade rarity, level and such is silly in a game where chasing loot is important anways
you seem to be missing the point... the loot chasing (including rarity and the randomness) exists for the sole purpose of INCREASING the time investment required to get the stuff you want... letting you upgrade the items is doing exactly the opposite... letting you upgrade the rarity like we can now is basically just killing the point of the system and handing the rare items (which are no longer rare) to anyone who can buy some ark forgeQuote:
Originally Posted by Deunan
also rare=good in pretty much every game that uses a rarity system for items... if it didn't there would be no reason for them to want them and the whole system would be pointless
Not sure about that. It says normal weapons will become encrypted after a rarity upgrade, so unless it's already purple, it won't reach OJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Durva360
I would agree with you if they hadn't nerfed the quality of the loot drops. Guess how many OJ's I've picked up in my time of playing from noob to 5K'er - maybe around 8 in total and not one that was worth keeping. Most of them didn't even have synergies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquidacid
Green dlc weapon reward for incursions... poke in the eye.
Blue dlc weapon reward for failmaster... poke in the other eye.
Really feeling the loot chase here. Thanks!
Oh, and 4 blues from a t4... punch in the ganchis!
Oh man this sucks lol
I understand it to mean that once an item's rarity has been upgraded, it becomes encrypted and thus can no longer be upgraded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Durva360
"A weapon or shield will also become encrypted when its rarity is increased in the Salvage Matrix. When a piece of equipment’s rarity is upgraded in the Salvage Matrix, its rarity is increased by one tier (as players have already experienced in the current version of the game). The equipment also gains the encrypted modifier on its details window. Additionally, while an encrypted item’s EGO rating can still be increased, its rarity tier cannot be increased any further."Quote:
Originally Posted by Durva360
So no. Best case is a one time rarity upgrade.
Incorrect. Go read the article again. It clearly states that once you upgrade a weapon, it becomes encrypted and cannot be upgraded again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Durva360
How about reading it carefully yourself? It clearly says that items that are encrypted cannot be upgraded and that your current items will be unencrypted while your legendary will be encrypted to receive the 3% bonus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Durva360
Encrypted weapons have a 3% boost to their damage and encrypted shields have a 3% boost to capacity, but they cannot have their rarity increased in the Salvage Matrix.
A weapon or shield will also become encrypted when its rarity is increased in the Salvage Matrix.
Really because I've gotten a ton... maybe you just haven't sacrificed enough goats and virgins to the RNG god...Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyged
You got any spare goats?Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquidacid
New Arkforge option:
Remove encryption 2000 Arkforge
I bet that will happen.... I mean shhhh, you're giving them ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pandur
Oh i didn't read the last paragraph, gotta give Trion props for at least being honest why the change happens.
Doesn't change the fact that changing a game mechanic out of pure business reasons isn't a good Idea, funny now that they try to fix a business decision by another business decision lol.
Mmmmm no, I like virgins too much to sacrifice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquidacid
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Again, TRION gives, TRION take it away.
Everytime we have something that people in general likes, they take it away...