Forgive me if I offend anyone, but....

Trick was right. I have seen a lot of the reactions to the encryption features and the warmaster changes and participated in almost none of it. The majority of the players in this game dont seem to really understand the concept of playing the game to earn cool stuff. Thats why this game and many others are so addiciting. That sense was being lost when people were crafting their own legendaries and exploiting their way through things. I dont have anything against this or anyone who does it. It doesnt matter whether you win or lose as long as you have fun and enjoy what you get you will be fine. But everyone seems to think that you always need to be getting legendaries from everything. They are called "legendary" for a reason. Sorry if I offended anyone I just wanted to share my thoughts on this topic. What it comes down to is that people are playing the game wrong and need to man up a bit and deal with these changes just as we have with all the other annoyong changes. As for me I will continue to upgrade and exploit while I still can. Whose knows what controversial change comes up next.

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Originally Posted by Smiit

The majority of the players in this game dont seem to really understand the concept of playing the game to earn cool stuff.

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If that's the point of the game they need to put some "cool stuff" in the game and not make it so that the ultra rare "cool stuff" isn't worthless in just a little ego growth. The rng in this game is the worst I have ever seen.

BTW It's hard to see how anyone would be offended by your post.(really) Just calling it how you see it.

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It's just a constant backtracking from the developers that's annoying. "We never intended it to act like this." That excuse is just getting old.

I do believe the Warmaster change was totally unnecessary, but I'm fine with encryption. I would be more fine if F2P (or earlier) actually launched with that mechanic. At this point it's a blatant money-grab (Trick's post even admits that, in simpler words).

Good points Death. In many ways this game is still in beta for all intents and purposes and we are all along for the ride as long as we stay in the car. In a lot of ways that is exciting but in many others it's frustrating too.

I sadly agree with you Smiit. Most tend to blind themselves to the faulty systems when they result favored.

I think it is worth pointing out again that this update is paving the way for future Matrix updates, hopefully not one to remove the encryption with arkforge but one that adds the abilty to change the bonus rolls, synergies and nano effects of weapons and shields.

What definitively was a mistake from Trion CM team is to explain the update with the lack of lockbox sales. Be it true or not, it caused twice the problems the update itself could have brought. I appreciate the honest explanation, but in this times of conflict I would strongly recomend a more calculated aproach.

I too agree that the update will bring a net benefit to the game, so long as there's never implemented a way to to remove or go around the encryption ever, be it with AF, salvage, scrip, nothing.

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

Good points Death. In many ways this game is still in beta for all intents and purposes and we are all along for the ride as long as we stay in the car. In a lot of ways that is exciting but in many others it's frustrating too.

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The problem is it has been in beta for far too long now.

I honestly don't really mind the encryption, they killed the market when you could make a legendary from nothing. Everyone got their perfect guns and there was nothing to shoot them with so the implented this system which I understand but I wish they would give us something to kill. I think the warmaster was a bigger change/mistake because I went to kill the monkey and not the rewards, everytime I go now we hardly ever break a crystal so to me my time is not worth the reward of failing.

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Originally Posted by Dandrielas

The problem is it has been in beta for far too long now.

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^Pretty much this. We've been beta testing this game for over a year now and it only got worse after dlc5. Change this, change that, then slightly change it again. I'm all for new content (that's balanced and works as intended on release) but when it comes to core game mechanics it's feels like experiment after experiment. I miss the bit of consistency I felt when I first played this game. Sadly the only consistency nowadays is all the bugs..

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Originally Posted by Smiit

Trick was right. I have seen a lot of the reactions to the encryption features and the warmaster changes and participated in almost none of it. The majority of the players in this game dont seem to really understand the concept of playing the game to earn cool stuff. Thats why this game and many others are so addiciting. That sense was being lost when people were crafting their own legendaries and exploiting their way through things. I dont have anything against this or anyone who does it. It doesnt matter whether you win or lose as long as you have fun and enjoy what you get you will be fine. But everyone seems to think that you always need to be getting legendaries from everything. They are called "legendary" for a reason. Sorry if I offended anyone I just wanted to share my thoughts on this topic. What it comes down to is that people are playing the game wrong and need to man up a bit and deal with these changes just as we have with all the other annoyong changes. As for me I will continue to upgrade and exploit while I still can. Whose knows what controversial change comes up next.

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So considerate, that's why I run with ya man. You'll outlast us all with that attitude lol! What can ya do but roll with the punches? Quitting the game is not on the table for me yet, that's for sure. Hate to admit it but sometimes I like the weird stuff in this game. Don't know why but it reminds me of being in a band. Kinda punk rock like when everything goes wrong at a show but it's still a bucket of fun.

How did you expect to offend someone when your opinion is so divorced from reality that people cannot do anything but laugh at you ?

You might actually have a small point if legendaries were exactly what the name implied, but they aren't. You also might have a point if their "transparency" was actually accurate. But they're about as divorced from reality as you are thinking that lockbox sales are down because of being able to upgrade weapons indefinitely, that's just hilarious. So no, Trick wasn't right.

It's pretty simple why their sales are down.

1. The pricing is terrible, that has been the number one complaint about the store since day 1 but they never get it through their heads.

2. Their RNG system is beyond terrible with so many rolls that are wasted on specific guns, and legendary guns having worthless stats. If they want a loot choose, they need to actually introduce meaningful loot. But they still can't figure that part out.

Though it is quite amusing that you have the nerve to claim that other players are playing wrong. Quite amusing indeed. A march 2014 player telling others that they're playing wrong... haha. Oh boy.

I was offended by the first line. "trick was right" :mad:

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

How did you expect to offend someone when your opinion is so divorced from reality that people cannot do anything but laugh at you ?

You might actually have a small point of legendaries were exactly what the name implied, but they aren't. You also might have a point if their "transparency" was actually accurate. But they're about as divorced from reality as you are thinking that lockbox sales are down because of being able to upgrade weapons indefinitely, that's just hilarious. So no, Trick wasn't right.

It's pretty simple why their sales are down.

1. The pricing is terrible, that has been the number one complaint about the store since day 1 but they never get it through their heads.

2. Their RNG system is beyond terrible with so many rolls that are wasted on specific guns, and legendary guns having worthless stats. If they want a loot choose, they need to actually introduce meaningful loot. But they still can't figure that part out.

Though it is quite amusing that you have the nerve to claim that other players are playing wrong. Quite amusing indeed. A march 2014 player telling others that they're playing wrong... haha. Oh boy.

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Yep, that is pretty much what I was thinking.

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

It's pretty simple why their sales are down.

1. The pricing is terrible, that has been the number one complaint about the store since day 1 but they never get it through their heads.

2. Their RNG system is beyond terrible with so many rolls that are wasted on specific guns, and legendary guns having worthless stats. If they want a loot choose, they need to actually introduce meaningful loot. But they still can't figure that part out.

Though it is quite amusing that you have the nerve to claim that other players are playing wrong. Quite amusing indeed. A march 2014 player telling others that they're playing wrong... haha. Oh boy.

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1.- Those two statements are not mutually exclusive with what smiit said. Most of the problem here was Trion staff linking those to the update, when in truth they had nothing to do with eachother.

2.- I agree with him. Check my join date.

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Originally Posted by BlackTalons

1.- Those two statements are not mutually exclusive with what smiit said. Most of the problem here was Trion staff linking those to the update, when in truth they had nothing to do with eachother.

2.- I agree with him. Check my join date.

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Good for you, you can join him in time out and think about what you did. Now go play hide the stars.

First off, I have been playing the game since October of last year not march thats the forum join date, and you are missing the whole point I was trying to gett across. If you dont have any good input into the conversation dont say anything. You were clearly trying to be a smart *** and it didnt work. You came across as rude. So far you are the only one laughing.

I understand and respect what you are saying arsenic touch but you didnt have to be so mean about it.

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

It's pretty simple why their sales are down.

1. The pricing is terrible, that has been the number one complaint about the store since day 1 but they never get it through their heads.

2. Their RNG system is beyond terrible with so many rolls that are wasted on specific guns, and legendary guns having worthless stats. If they want a loot choose, they need to actually introduce meaningful loot. But they still can't figure that part out.

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These things were always true but they never affected the bit sales for lock boxes. The players who bought them in large amounts every month knew this and didn't care. That's just part of the mindset of the demographic that pumps what many of us would consider to be ludicrous amounts of money into micro transactions for a game. Whatever lousy return on investment they got for spending hundreds of dollars on lock boxes every month was good enough for them. We know these players exist. They were the same ones that bought multiple Legendary Weapon Kits for ~$100 a pop as soon as they were put in the bit store. The only reason they changed their buying patterns was because they were getting better results by simply buying Arkforge instead.

Most of us know that eight T4 lock boxes at ~$5 a pop is not likely to land us a Legendary item let alone one with 3 good rarity rolls for the Common, Uncommon and Rare bonus rolls. But that's exactly what you can get for ~$40 by buying 1000 Arkforge and just picking up a good Rare loot drop in game. Even after the rarity upgrades that leaves the player with enough Arkforge to level the Legendary item for another 600 levels. That beats buying dozens of lock boxes every month hands down. The players that were buying lock boxes in large amounts each month probably figured that out and switched buying patterns which resulted in a net loss in player spending at the bit store.

That doesn't mean that the prices aren't ridiculous by common standards or that the RNG engine isn't bad (and compounded by the fact that there are still rolls of little to no value for some weapons - ditto for synergies). It does mean that the company isn't as disconnected as some would like to think about the relationship between limitless rarity upgrading, purchasable Arkforge, and a drop in lock box sales. They're perfectly aware that most of us view lock boxes as overpriced slot machines with lousy odds but as long as there are enough players around willing to buy them in large amounts there's not going to be any adjustment to their price.

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Originally Posted by Smiit

First off, I have been playing the game since October of last year not march thats the forum join date, and you are missing the whole point I was trying to gett across. If you dont have any good input into the conversation dont say anything. You were clearly trying to be a smart *** and it didnt work. You came across as rude. So far you are the only one laughing.

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Haha, dude, so much for the humble pie you served with 'i don't mean to offend anyone'....then BAM, u are hurt that someone didn't agree with ur post, and tell them not to say anything unless it's 'nice'? If you post on this or any other fourm, you run the risk of someone not agreeing with what u say. That's life bro. Not everyone will always sugar coat things for ya and wrap it up in a nice little pretty box..... Thicken that skin up a little bud.

Read my post after that. I said I respect and understand that he disagrees wih me but he didnt have to be mean about it thats all.

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Originally Posted by Smiit

I understand and respect what you are saying arsenic touch but you didnt have to be so mean about it.

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He isn`t mean, he`s just stating is mind. He don`t sugar coat and that is why some may not like.
I like that kind of way of saying things, directly to the face.

About the whole subject...i really don`t care anymore.

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Thing with Defiance is that the playing for cool stuff is pretty much not there, it's way too seldom to get something good.
They could learn from Diablo 3 how to fix a broken loot system.
Interestingly enough Diabloe 3 suffered from a similar attitude towards the players as Defiance does, Blizzard fixed it though.

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Originally Posted by TwistedEvil

Haha, dude, so much for the humble pie you served with 'i don't mean to offend anyone'....then BAM, u are hurt that someone didn't agree with ur post, and tell them not to say anything unless it's 'nice'? If you post on this or any other fourm, you run the risk of someone not agreeing with what u say. That's life bro. Not everyone will always sugar coat things for ya and wrap it up in a nice little pretty box..... Thicken that skin up a little bud.

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Sir, if i could make a like to your post, i would. You nailed it.

Well, it looks like lockboxes sales will go up with the encryption patch. Apparently you get a way higher percentage of unencrypted gear out of them.

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Originally Posted by Marshal Law

Well, it looks like lockboxes sales will go up with the encryption patch. Apparently you get a way higher percentage of unencrypted gear out of them.

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No doubt they will go up, along with the disappointment and resentment. Unencrypted blue trash will only ever be trash. It's trashtastic. Fun times await!

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Originally Posted by Marshal Law

Well, it looks like lockboxes sales will go up with the encryption patch. Apparently you get a way higher percentage of unencrypted gear out of them.

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Not quite sure if it`s true. Been there on the PTS and, most of the items that we get on locboxes are encrypted.

I want to know where nerfarious is he would be loving this announcement... I'm starting to miss him and his gifs.

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Originally Posted by drackiller

Not quite sure if it`s true. Been there on the PTS and, most of the items that we get on locboxes are encrypted.

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I am just going by what was stated in the livestream. Lockbox drops will have a higher chance of dropping unencrypted gear. Was also stated that the rates may have to be tweaked so I would petition long and hard about that at the least.

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Originally Posted by Marshal Law

I am just going by what was stated in the livestream. Lockbox drops will have a higher chance of dropping unencrypted gear. Was also stated that the rates may have to be tweaked so I would petition long and hard about that at the least.

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Petition you may...will it work?

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Originally Posted by drackiller

Petition you may...will it work?

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It will probably, just in the complete opposite way that the petition intended :P

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Originally Posted by drackiller

Petition you may...will it work?

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If the lockboxes seem to be dropping too much encrypted loot after they said it should not be, I would hope they tweak it a bit. I could see 75 to 80% chance of non-encrypted dropping in a box.

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Originally Posted by Marshal Law

If the lockboxes seem to be dropping too much encrypted loot after they said it should not be, I would hope they tweak it a bit. I could see 75 to 80% chance of non-encrypted dropping in a box.

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Careful what you wish for, tweaking does have a different meaning here.

Just ask about that time when they made the warmaster drops "better".

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I want to know where nerfarious is he would be loving this announcement... I'm starting to miss him and his gifs.

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seriously, he would be jumping for joy between the cloak fix and the encrypted items that you can't upgrade (including quartermaster zaggers)

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

The rng in this game is the worst I have ever seen.

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Have you ever played Warfarm ?

All joking aside, as a non-max ego player i don't really feel the encryption will affect me that much. I have only been playing a lil less than a month and am at ego 2500ish, but all of the oj guns i have only get used for a few hundred ego levels and then i find a blue one with higher damage. I just don't get enough arkforge to keep around any oj guns. I have some blue and green guns that have rolls and synergy that i like that i am able to upgrade rating on and continue to enjoy, but honestly i have never upgraded the rarity on a gun. Maybe that makes me a filthy casual, not sure, don't care, i am here to have fun. I guess if i had been maxed out on ego for over a year i could see spending hundreds of arkforge to get that perfect gun that had eluded me all this time, i don't know. And yeah, oj rolls are usually pretty sweet, but the purple rolls are almost always meh in my opinion. I use purple and oj guns i like when i find them for a few hundred ego (read: maybe a day or two), but the green and blues are the ones that i add slots and mods to and upgrade rating to keep using. Blue is the most desired color for me at my current state in the game. If i didn't level so ****ing fast maybe i would earn enough ark forge to maintain the ego rating on some purples, but when it's time to fight the monkey and i switch to my monkey loadout every time both guns are 2-300 ego below me. And with blue or green that's most of my ark forge cache right there. Feel free to tell me what i am doing wrong, i claim to know nothing about anything.

Also the 3% damage bonus encryption gives is a lil something, what is the percentage of damage increase from blue to purple or purple to oj ? More than 3% ? Yes it's lame that they change their minds so much and it feels like all of their decisions are half-assed and that they don't play their game or understand their playerbase. But i think that's all part of being a perpetual beta. Also Trick is a conceited jack-@ss.

And again, feel free to tell me what i'm doing wrong, i claim to know nothing about anything.

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Have you ever played Warfarm ?

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Yeah, and i only like the shooting stuff, the rest is pure BS...grind fest.

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Yeah, and i only like the shooting stuff, the rest is pure BS...grind fest.

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Yeah, i really liked the aesthetics and everything, but after a while i just kinda realized that it was all a grind to get more guns so you could grind better to get more guns so you could... And i just quit logging in one day. I do miss the as$es in those suits though, oh my !

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Yeah, i really liked the aesthetics and everything, but after a while i just kinda realized that it was all a grind to get more guns so you could grind better to get more guns so you could... And i just quit logging in one day. I do miss the as$es in those suits though, oh my !

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The game is nice to play, but it ends there.
If the rinse and repeat has a meaning, Warframe is the name.

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If the rinse and repeat has a meaning, Warframe is the name.

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Wow, you summed it up pretty good there ! But the RNG that they used, oh my !
They had 0.5% drop rates on the new loot, zero point fuvking five percent !
Oh, but no need to grind for it, you can just buy Prime Access for only $199, goy !
And when the said they improved drop rates and it seemed worse players data mined the rates and proved that the devs had been lying to us !
So what did the wonderful devs at DE do ?
Encrypted the ****ing drop tables so players couldn't data mine the drop rates !
Warfarm player refer to their livestreams as lie-streams.

But back on topic i don't earn enough arkforge to keep purple guns let alone oj upgraded in rating since i level up so fast please tell me why i suck and/or what i am doing wrong.

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Originally Posted by rosetta_cd_29A

But back on topic i don't earn enough arkforge to keep purple guns let alone oj upgraded in rating since i level up so fast please tell me why i suck and/or what i am doing wrong.

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Well you're obviously not buying enough arkforge with bits. Not having enough through normal gameplay is WAI.
Especially since the last lockbox nerf.

Honestly below 4500 - 5000 rating don't bother upgrading rating just use the blues or epics you pick up.

The trouble is a Legendary is supposed to be just that and they aren't, they're oj's. Big world of difference in my book.
How many times have you heard a friend on the mic say I just pulled an orange, oh darn its a bird**** pump lol.
Where's the chase in that? I've got over 100 days of playtime in this game and the good goods don't drop.
Upgrading the rarity was one of the best things they've done in this game.
You had to hunt for the blue or purple with the roles you wanted and then you had to grind for the arkforge to upgrade the rarity.

Both will now be obsolete and the chase pointless as we will be stuck again with the crap drop rates.

You need all the ingredients to bake a cake Trion, then the greedy buggers will scoff the lot.