Do not buy tier 4 lockboxes! Buy tier 3 instead!

Tier 4 Lockbox - 64 keys - rewards 4 random items of at least uncommon rarity.

Tier 3 lockbox - cost 24 keys - rewards 3 random items of at least uncommon rarity.

At the cost of 48 keys you get 6 chances at loot, and at the cost of 64 keys you get 4 chances at loot?

After experimenting at trying them out myself I found absolutely NO difference between the quality of items found in the tier 4 lockboxes and the tier 3 lockboxes.

Bought 5 Tier 4 lockboxes and 5 tier three lockboxes. Same average quality of items, EXCEPT the tier three lockboxes reward FAR FAR more loot!

In fact someone else running this same experiment got their first legendary item from, you guessed it a TIER 3 LOCKBOX and NOT from a tier 4 lockbox!

I REPEAT TIER THREE LOCKBOXES REWARD LEGENDARIES SO WHAT IS THE POINT IN WASTING METRIC SHTAKO TONS OF KEYS ON TIER 4's?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

How in the name of the golden diapered baby jeebus did this make it through alpha and beta testing?!?!?!?

Is this working as intended in an attempt to encourage people to dump cash into the game to buy keys to purchase more boxes or has it just been bypassed for the past year of testing?

The only crafting system, and the main way to get the best loot is broken? Through Alpha AND through beta?

This is 100% completely unacceptable in any way shape or form.

This needs serious attention urgently!

And reading the tooltips on the boxes it mentions NOTHING absolutely NOTHING about having higher chances of better gear through the more expensive boxes.

TL;DR Buy tier three lockboxes, collect legionaries ???? profit.

Tier 1 is even cheaper than that, aren't they?

I have not tried out tier one in any experimental manner and don't know if anyone else has either. If anyone has gotten a legendary from a tier one please post it here.

Yeah I would like to see an official post on this, and if the higher tier boxes in fact have higher chances for more rare loot then put it in the damn tool tip. A lot of information in this game is simply non existent. Like I started to finish some contracts and nothing explains what the hell it is. Then stores get new looking currencies that I can't find in my char information and that I do not know what it is and how I get it.

It really lacks descriptions for the most basic things.

Wish I would've saw this before I wasted mine on a Tier 4. Didn't get shtako...

"Rare" loot, lol. You don't get **** until lvl 200. Most people don't even know shields can have different effects, because well...you don't get them till too late into the game

Just did a search and found someone saying they are getting legendary items out of tier 2 lockboxes!

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...hlight=lockbox

Also further on down in that same thread more people are talking about getting orange weapons out of tier 3.

I think this talk of tier 4 giving a higher chance for orange items is complete crap.

If I can buy 50 Tier ones for the same price as one tier 4 I will end up having enough keys from melting down all the guns to buy another 20 tier ones and have a MUCH higher chance to get orange weapons.

Need someone official to comment on this. Need a PROGRAMMER who specializes in lockbox game coding to get in here and comment directly on this issue A.S.A.P.

Considering how important lockboxs play as an integral part of the game (I.E. no crafting in the game, no legendaries from Arkfalls, No legendaries from faction rep)

Got orange SAW out of third T4 lockbox.

well say you have 75 keys and you plan on buying lockboxes whats the best route to get the best bang for the buck so to speak well lets add it up

75 keys

Teir 2 lockboxes 75/8=9.3 so 9*2= 18 chances of getting what you want
Teir 3 lockboxes 75/24=3.1 so 3*3=9 chances of getting the items you want
Teir 4 lockboxes 75/64= well 1 so 4 chances to get the item you want

hmm my first legendary combat shotgun came from a teir 2 and on my 3rd try its completely random yet you have higher chances and more items from teir 2 lockboxes

i find tier 3 the best option currently - it has higher chance for rare, yet it doesnt cost as much. So the rare rate vs amount is better.
Also dont forget that you can refine all the junk weapons = gulanite and 1k gulanite = 1 key - so tier 3 box would be even mroe cost effective.
the tier 4 should ether have a boost in blue, less green, 5 pieces or reduced price.

The chances for legendary items is much much smaller on the tier 3 lockbox vs the tier 4 (less than 1%), so if you found one grats! Lucky you!

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Originally Posted by Athelan

The chances for legendary items is much much smaller on the tier 3 lockbox vs the tier 4 (less than 1%), so if you found one grats! Lucky you!

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Could we have proper numbers for each tier? What does much smaller mean? Tier 4 1.5% and tier 3 0.9% ?

Considering tier 4 costs twice as much as tier 3 while giving 75% of the items the gap between the chances needs to be rather high.

just open three tier 2 lockboxes and got 5 greens and 1 blue this morning i open a tier 4 lockbox and got 1 orange 2 purples and 1 green now going to save up and open three tier 3 and see what i get

bought multiple Tier 3 boxes and got blues at most, bought one Tier 4 and got an orange Shotgun, curious if rarity increases with each tier?

agree, we really need an official post on this. At the moment it appears that there is no beneift to opening anything other than Tier 2 lockboxes due to the cost.

We need an official post clearly stating what hidden stats are behind the different lockboxes (if any) and a more clear in game description rather than the cut and past text that is presently identical for each lockbox.

This has already been talked about (I'm too lazy to find all the threads).

Higher tier boxes have a higher chance for rarer loot.

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just open three tier 2 lockboxes and got 5 greens and 1 blue this morning i open a tier 4 lockbox and got 1 orange 2 purples and 1 green now going to save up and open three tier 3 and see what i get

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Lucky you. I have purchased four T4 so far and only one or two purple and the rest mostly blue. I think I used maybe one or two of these items, the rest was salvaged. EGO level 200+. Next box at 500+ in a few minutes.

yeah rarity increases with tiers... but... this far T4 boxes have been rather dissapointing - may not be worth investign before ... liek 500 ego or so.

Im at 750 now and I still only get trash from them tbh.

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Originally Posted by TurkeyBurgers

Tier 4 Lockbox - 64 keys - rewards 4 random items of at least uncommon rarity.

Tier 3 lockbox - cost 24 keys - rewards 3 random items of at least uncommon rarity.

At the cost of 48 keys you get 6 chances at loot, and at the cost of 64 keys you get 4 chances at loot?

After experimenting at trying them out myself I found absolutely NO difference between the quality of items found in the tier 4 lockboxes and the tier 3 lockboxes.

Bought 5 Tier 4 lockboxes and 5 tier three lockboxes. Same average quality of items, EXCEPT the tier three lockboxes reward FAR FAR more loot!

In fact someone else running this same experiment got their first legendary item from, you guessed it a TIER 3 LOCKBOX and NOT from a tier 4 lockbox!

I REPEAT TIER THREE LOCKBOXES REWARD LEGENDARIES SO WHAT IS THE POINT IN WASTING METRIC SHTAKO TONS OF KEYS ON TIER 4's?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

How in the name of the golden diapered baby jeebus did this make it through alpha and beta testing?!?!?!?

Is this working as intended in an attempt to encourage people to dump cash into the game to buy keys to purchase more boxes or has it just been bypassed for the past year of testing?

The only crafting system, and the main way to get the best loot is broken? Through Alpha AND through beta?

This is 100% completely unacceptable in any way shape or form.

This needs serious attention urgently!

And reading the tooltips on the boxes it mentions NOTHING absolutely NOTHING about having higher chances of better gear through the more expensive boxes.

TL;DR Buy tier three lockboxes, collect legionaries ???? profit.

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People who are actually qualified to test things like this know about sample sizes. They do not test 5 of each box and expect anything other than a random result.

A sample size of 5? Imagine doubling that and reducing the potential outcome from the various combinations of rarities and items to just 2 potential outcomes... i.e. the coin toss.

10 coin tosses wouldn't even be enough to get a reliable 50/50 rate of heads vs. tails.

If you can't get reliable data with twice the volume of data and significantly less variables, how can you expect to judge the lockboxes based on just 5 tries?

I believe there are named and unamed legendary items. Unamed out of the Tier 3 lock boxes and Named out of the Tier4. I believe I have seen named ones come out of the Tier4 but have yet to get one out of Tier3.

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Originally Posted by Jestunhi

People who are actually qualified to test things like this know about sample sizes. They do not test 5 of each box and expect anything other than a random result.

A sample size of 5? Imagine doubling that and reducing the potential outcome from the various combinations of rarities and items to just 2 potential outcomes... i.e. the coin toss.

10 coin tosses wouldn't even be enough to get a reliable 50/50 rate of heads vs. tails.

If you can't get reliable data with twice the volume of data and significantly less variables, how can you expect to judge the lockboxes based on just 5 tries?

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^^ THIS

You cannot possibly think that the entire loot table can be accurately summed up in a 4 word hint - "drops atleast uncommon rarity". I am sure with enough boxes even a level 1 box is capable of producing a very rare and powerful item, but the chance of it happening is going to be much smaller than that of a higher tier box.

That said I can agree with the OP that for now going with tier 3 boxes is probably a better idea, though for different reasons. I would say that as we are all relatively new in the game that we would do better having a wider choice of pretty good items from T3 boxes and more likely get something items worth using and modding, than gambling on far fewer T4 boxes in the hope of finding some excellent item, which itself may become inferior in 100 EGO time.

Travie, I do not say duh to you, I say duh to everyone else. Why on earth would their be higher lock boxes if they didn't have a better chance for loot? Seriously, one does not have to be a mathologist

orange shotgun from T4, my very first lockbox also.

Here are the results from about 40 T2 chests.

G - green
B - blue
P - purple
O - Orange

GP
GB
GG
GB
GG
GG
GG
GG
GO
GG
GP
GB
GB
GB
GG
GB
GB
GG
GP
GP
GG
GG
GG
GG
GB
GG
GG
BB
GG

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Originally Posted by Munx

Im at 750 now and I still only get trash from them tbh.

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I've bought two!!! They've been great.. One paid one arkfall code.. One to support devs cause I like the game and I want my settings key to work without it crashing.. 2. because they made it so I can buy it without having to pay real money....

Just a correction, this comment is incorrect. Please see my post below for the correct info.

Thanks
Sledgehammer70

Well there you go. Thanks Athelan.

Well I'm now at 502 ego and can confirm that there is no link between ego level and quality of weapons, from a couple of T4 lockboxes I'm only getting green's and blues, not even with synergy buffs... it's all just luck I guess

is tier 4 the highest?

I got a orange shotgun from tier 2 box. After like .... opening 30 of em.

Got an orange shield of a tier 2 box on my first open.
1.3k
90%/sec
9.6seconds delay

So completely useless for my playstyle, friend also found a blue that was just as strong had 70%/sec and 5.something delay at level 10 >_>

one of the boxes cost only like 4 or 8 and ya get 2 weapons out of it. its the best deal considering the price scaling is a crazy jump
24 for 3 is = to 8 keys each where as you can pay 8 for 2 = 4 key each

I think you guys are just lucky. I bought a TON of T1 and T2 boxes. Got nothing good. Bought 4 T3 boxes, once again nothing. Bought 2 T4 boxes and found an orange in each.

Got an Orange (Awesome Gun) Pistol which launches an Explosive Fire Bullet :D Does some insane Damage - Either way from my first T3 Lockbox chances are I'll be sticking with that.

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The highest tier lockboxes will never give uncommon items. This is one of the reason to go for them over the middle tier.

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i got greens from tier 4 boxes just last night.

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Originally Posted by Dixa

i got greens from tier 4 boxes just last night.

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Unless it's been tweaked in the last several hours, I'm with you. I got one green out of mine yesterday, and in beta 3 I opened several and got greens numerous times.

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i got greens from tier 4 boxes just last night.

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Yeah... kind of makes me wonder a little about Athelan's other post here, about its accuracy (in my sig)

Iv gotten 1 orange and 1 purple weapons (Shotgun, and LMG) out of t2 boxes (not the same one, iv opened about 8 of them)

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Originally Posted by Necroconvict

Seriously, one does not have to be a mathologist

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...or a cunning linguist...