I also hate RNG. I don't care that much, but I still buy a T4 box whenever my keys cap out. I've bought ~5 so far and have gotten all blue and green items... not even a freakin' purple, let alone an orange.
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I also hate RNG. I don't care that much, but I still buy a T4 box whenever my keys cap out. I've bought ~5 so far and have gotten all blue and green items... not even a freakin' purple, let alone an orange.
got my first ornage weapon on my tier 4 box first day its a shotgun. Wish it had been a Rifle
i've yet to see anything other than a blue out of lockboxes, my ego is 600 and i have bought 4 tier 4's and and a few tier 3's, and people are getting purples and oranges?? wtf?
I got a legendary shield out of a tier 3 and it was a respark like I prefer! What luck. but I find now that there are better major arkfall rewards, my keys are best spent on the mod packs. I get almost exclusively class three mods and a full set of synergy mods provides a healthy boost to any weapon! When you get something better just retrieve the mods and scrap the weap
tho some official odds would be appreciated, im sure they are still getting some tweaks
% chance = plausable but made up figures, not the actual stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solyad
I have bought over 8 tier 4 boxes and not got any items but it takes my script and keys off me lol not sure if anyone else is having this problem ?
Don't know what constitutes a legendary or epic item, but I got my only orange weapon (AR with veteran synergies) from a tier 2 box early in the game. The economics of tier 4 boxes seem broken so I never bother with them.
in case anyone cares, the color coding on the loot which has become the industry standard since diablo gave it to us has been tweaked for most games. Instead of green being a set item and orange being unique it goes like a dis
green-uncommon
blue-rare
purple-epic
orange-legendary
Stick with me and all have you all sounding all fancy pantsy in no time flat.
I can't wait to see more unique weaps like the gladiator and the EMC XAR-22 those are both staples among my AR arsenal
it does actually give you items, its just a bug where it doesnt display what it gave you, it happens to me about half the time
I've put together a quick form to collect data about the lockboxes. If anyone is interested, the thread is here.
Following Skeety's suggestion, the form is also collecting EGO levels, but I haven't figured out a good way to present that against the data. I'll try figure it out if we get enough data to make it worth doing.
got an orange auto fragger combat shotgun from my first tier 4 after the game went live :D couldn't be happier lol ^^
There is no difference between the Tier 2 lockboxe's either, in fact, I got my first Legendary in a Teir 2 lockbox on my 6th try. Until they change the rarity of the items based on lockbox teirs, you should only buy Teir 2 lockbock's.
A dev back on page 2 stated tier 4 has a much higher chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by L8NEYET
Unfortunately he failed to state who much higher the chance is. Without that being known it's impossible to say whether they're a better way of obtaining legendary weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kettlewell
Considering the tiny increase in performance some of the weapon mods give, "much higher" to a dev might mean 0.22%. Until they give us hard numbers any guesses we make are likely to be wide of the mark. Until then I think I'll stick with tier 2 and 3.
I have two legendaries. One from a T3 and one from a T2.
As for tier 1, is that even a thing?
Thing most of you are forgetting is Skritt.
T2 8 keys 1000 skritt
T3 24 keys 2000 skritt
T4 64 keys 3000 skritt
so if you bought 40 T2's then you spent 40000 skritt and will recoup maybe 1/4 to 1/3 back.
but money wise i agree T3 is the best 1000 more skritt for 2 more items.
Bought two tier 4 boxes.
Each had 2 greens and 2 blues. So far, not that great of a return on investment.
Have you ever seen Boondocks Saints? Other such things Rocket Surgeon... :p
I got my first Legendary at 150Quote:
Originally Posted by thejx4
Had an Orange Assault Rifle from the second or third tier 2 lockbox I bought - just lucky I guess....
Major Arkfalls usually reward with something tasty too :)
I'm over ego 900 and i've only ever got ****! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by thejx4
So far i have had better luck with purple and orange items from tier 3 boxes. Once you factor in the number of boxes that can be purchased with the same amount of keys then numbers seem to support tier 3 is the better way to go then 4 so far. More boxes for the same price changes the math in the tier 3 favor.
While if your looking at it as a pure 1 to 1 box the tier 4 does have a better chance of better items. Someone wanna buy as many as you can with 500 keys and let us know how many items of each you get from it? That gonna be the only real well to tell in the long run.
i've bought about 6-7 tier 4 boxes, got maybe 3 purples and no oranges :/. my wife bought a few tier 3s and already has orange weapons. im making the switch to t3 boxes.
The tier 4 lockboxes have an estimated pull chance of 9% on every item, while a T3 only has 4-5%.
This alone makes T4 better.
eh? if t4 has 10% and t3 5%
then I would definatly say two chances at 5% vs 1 chance at 10% is better considering the cost diffrence 48 keystones for 2 t3's vs 64 for 1 t4
As far as T4 goes - I've bought 9 of them and received 5 oranges so far.
Edit your first post, the tier 2 lock boxes give loot no different than the tier three of four, and they only cost 8 keys.
Not sure how you managed to skip over that.
So far I have received 11 orange items from tier two boxes including guns, grenades, and shields. Its coming out to a minimum of one orange a day, sometimes more, with tier 2's.
I bought about 7 without getting a single one, that said my t3 luck hasnt been much better.. Im ego rating 1400 and have only gotten 1 legendary lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by tyguild
I have personally had best luck with t4 than t3. I tried out t3's after so much clamor about them, 10 boxes zero oranges. I average an orange every third t4. It's not even as if keys are overly hard to get anyway. Still have my fingers crossed for an orange lmg. I've gotten only orange det's and sawed off. Three of each, two of the dets were absolutely bad.
Best orange I have got is a bio nade with 0 fuse and 10sec duration. Absolutely stomps in pvp.
I have only bought 4 tier 1 lock boxes and i have already gotten 2 orange weapons and a purple weapon. there is no point of collecting for T2 + if T1 is dropping them.
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Originally Posted by TurkeyBurgers
tier 2 (the cheapest..2 things for 8 keys) have gotten PURPLE from...no orange yet
They have different chances, a dev confirmed this. Higher tier, higher chance on getting something purple/orange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerry
Or else it wouldn't make any sense at all referring to keycode costs. And I'm sure Trion ain't that stupid.
Some of you guys are very lucky i got 1 nade 1 pistol and 2 shotgun orange in about 25+ t4 lockbox.
Much as I respect Trion, they have let a lot of stupid shtako get into Defiance. A dev did say that higher tiers have a higher chance of yielding higher quality loot, but nowhere did he say that it was proportionate to the number of keys spent. If T4 gives 10% more oranges for 250% the key cost, then T3 is still the better option. RNG and lack of clear dev feedback make it difficult to say anything for sure, but from player feedback so far it seems that lower tiers give better return for your keys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustaine
I have had this issue twice on the tower place where you drive up on that long ramp. never spent anymore on that box and haven't had an issue after might be coincidence but i dont trust that box. damn scammers :pQuote:
Originally Posted by MarauderShields
I'm going off of my own experiences here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustaine
Looking by the high amount of oranges and purples I receive, I could be that the system the devs have in place is broken, or not functioning correctly.
If that's the case then I would cash in now before it gets fixed.
I myself am going to buy more T3 ones.
Got my first 2 oranges in tier 3. Not really surprised.
After playing ME3 multiplayer for a long time, an RNG based store is something I'm all too farmiliar with. Been kicked in the nuts but that so many times I'm practically numb down there.
I'm prepared for anything lockboxes throw at me.
You could be right, but random is random. Completely unpredictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerry
Your experience may be something totally different to another player.