The end of Defiance!! or even the end of Trion??

Well aware that this post most likely will get removed and med banned from the forums, I still have to speak up.
I would like to state that I do enjoy playing defiance and I do like the concept of the game.
But when that is said, of late, latest changes have made this game uninteresting to me.

I will now list some of the reasons why Defiance has reached this status to me.

1) Empty servers.
Defiance is a MMO. There for the servers should be crowded. A game must hold some sort of co-op before it is interesting to me. I want to play games with my friends and meet new friends. I see the empty servers as a respond, from the gaming community, to Trion as a farewell. And many of my friends have said that and wowed they will never buy another Trion game again.

2) Pay-to-win
The free-to-play bit is to me a cover-up for introducing Pay-to-win. We see this as the drastically reduced numbers of keycodes and arkforge, which have been made essential in order to get better weapons. Top this up with the outrageous prices we are offered to buy the illusive arkforge and we got the worst concept in gaming. Pay-to-win.

3) No fun playing
The repetitive tasks/quests/pursuits etc. has made defiance boring. The has to been something new. Something to entertain us. Something to achieve.
I will however agree that Trion is trying, but it is not working. As I see their efforts, we gamers are runners trying to do a race, and Trion, every time we get close to the finish line, they prolong the race. Same stuff just takes a bit longer. Boring!!
Bring in something really new. Like clan halls and clan outfits and cars. Or let us make events, not just death marches, but incursions, sieges and arkfalls. Introduce weapon forging. And make it so everyone can afford it.

4) Progress - Sense of purpose
There also has to be an experience of progress. A sense of purpose. Both in game and on the forums.
It is not very smart, for whatever reason, a statement was made that, we gamers, were playing the game wrong. To be fair, this is second hand information to me, but it goes very well in line with my other experiences. But if we gamers are not playing the game as Trion wishes, then try to change the game dynamics in a way for us to do so. Do not go blaming the community for undesired gaming behaviour when you, Trion, have the full control over the dynamics.
Another thing. Making forums where we, gamers, can help you, Trion, to make the game work better by submitting error/bug reports, and many do, but we get ignored. At best we get a reply, but nothing gets fixed. Only bug that are beneficial to the gamers gets fixed. If Trion think they lose out on a bug, it gets fixed the day after. But when it improves the gaming experience it takes forever if it ever gets fixed.
By going at it like that people gets the feeling that Trion do not care about their community, and the community are returning the favour.
In game progress has been terminated as well. As I mentioned in 2) Pay-to-win, it is now nearly impossible to accumulate arkforge, which is essential for progress in Defiance. After the latest patches I would be lucky if I could get 500 arkforge in a month. Which to me is ridiculous, since the demand for arkforge is growing each day. 2 week ago I summed up my need for arkforge. If I was to upgrade all my weapons to highest rarity. You know what, I needed 34.000 arkforge. And this is not including any rerolls of a weapons mastery. This is wrong!! And my appreciation for does not cover that timeframe.

Where does this leave me?
I will most like get banned. Feeling a bit depressed that a game that could be so great is not. But still at peace, because I too, will not buy or spend any money on a Trion game ever again. I simply cannot see why. If Trion does not change how they treat their users, I won't participate. I cannot trust Trion not to screw me over again.
But if Trion suddenly decides to wake up, and try to mend things by sorting out the issues I have with Defiance in its immediate state, I won't hesitate keep playing. Looking forward to what action Trion will take.
Best of luck.

Yours truly
Horup79

This game isn't paid to win. One of my characters is at 350 ego, and i have 6 great guns , 30keys, and over 50k. And i do just fine playing any mission, coop, pvp. As for no fun playing? are you serious? There's so much stuff to do, pvp, pve, coop with different maps, exploring, leveling up, helping people, nice story, lots of missions, side quests. etc.

9/10 IMO

As you said yourself. You are ego 350. Im ego 5800. it gets repetitive...
I can tell you do a lot of posts on the forums. Do you ever read some?
All are say the same.. Defiance is done!

Have to agree with Horup here, this game is 100% pay to win. Come back when you are higher ego and have tried to keep those guns at your level. Also your idea of good weapons will drastically change as you play the game. I know I started loving certain weapons, and now looking back, I had NO idea what was good and what was not.

The other thing Horup forgot to mention is the LONG list of bugs that have Never been fixed, but break game play horribly... Houdini Enemies, Disconnects, Repo Car men, broken stats on guns, etc. etc. etc. There is such a long list of broken things about this game, its hard to come up with a list of things that they HAVE fixed, and I dont mean the things they SAY they have fixes, I mean Actually fixed...

I love this game, I love the community, I hate the apathy that seems apparent from the developers, and the poor design decisions that come from one Mr Dempsey, I also hate the Complete Disconnect with the rest of the community the developers have. This game could be the best game on 360 and PS3 (Maybe not pc, as there is alot of competition), but console wise, this has the potential to be a MONSTER... but potential doesnt make a game... Ideas, caffine, hard graft, and alot of investment are what is required... trion seems to have the graft... but lack in all other areas.

I roam around the place alot, but stuff like arkfall and incursion are always massive crowded and most daily missions i always see one or two peeps going along.

Thing i never understand, people say its empty.. You ever been recently to The Barrens in WoW or alike? Its more deserted per square KM then this game.

Go play Firefall after recent patch, then you know the definition of 'empty'.
I've came back from Firefall, this game suddenly feels topnotch.

If you don`t know who i am then you clearly haven't played defiance much. This game has gone down the crapper, and the release of silicon valley was a joke. I drove around for an hour and did not even see another player. I suggest leaving now before you waste too much time. And this game isn't pay to win at all. I don't have anything special that a free player can't get and i still have no problems killing any player/boss/enemy in the game. (No dlc's here)

I have to say, I have noticed a drop in the population, particularly at Arkfalls and incursions.

It can still get busy, but that absolute chaos that used to reign is missing these days... I want that back!

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As you said yourself. You are ego 350. Im ego 5800. it gets repetitive...
I can tell you do a lot of posts on the forums. Do you ever read some?
All are say the same.. Defiance is done!

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No need to attack a new player who is enjoying the game. Everything you said is fine but remember it is YOUR opinion.

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If you don`t know who i am then you clearly haven't played defiance much. This game has gone down the crapper, and the release of silicon valley was a joke. I drove around for an hour and did not even see another player. I suggest leaving now before you waste too much time. And this game isn't pay to win at all. I don't have anything special that a free player can't get and i still have no problems killing any player/boss/enemy in the game. (No dlc's here)

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Luckely the forums do not reflect most people i meet ingame..

I once said last year, if i regret buying the game:

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Any given game at any given point, you will get bored. Take a break, do some other stuff and enjoy it later again.

I have no regret at all.

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And that is exactly what i did, enjoying it far more then the previous times.

It does look like we are on a downward trend after the release of F2P, I'm hoping that it levels off at a higher level than we had mid last season.

I really wish we had a higher retention rate, and people rightly find faults with the end/elder game. I know the devs have some plans for this, but for new things we probably have to wait until the end of the TV season as they are tied up with crossover content.

http://i.imgur.com/7VIROa2.png

OP it sounds to me that you are a little burned out and just need to take a break. Don't know how long you've been playing but just take some time out on another game for a while and come back.

It works for me and I've got over 100 days played in game.

So pretty much you and everyone here on the forums (crying) is mad they can't upgrade whites to oranges no more..that's what i see from reading the forums in the last week or so. -deleted-

and whoever spends real money in game, ect bits ect..well shame on you.. ON ANY GAME. dlc excluded.

things i would change since my return. to list 1
Keycodes earned.
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i am still adjusting to all the changes made. (probably not much longer as the game is almost empty most days now)
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wont be back to this thread to read your or anyones reply.

deleted alot of my post to avoid being banned.

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Im ego 5800. it gets repetitive...

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It's an MMO (technically). It's designed to be repetitive.

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I really wish we had a higher retention rate, and people rightly find faults with the end/elder game. I know the devs have some plans for this, but for new things we probably have to wait until the end of the TV season as they are tied up with crossover content.

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Man, I can't even imagine the endgame getting any worse...

...but apparently the devs can.

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but for new things we probably have to wait until the end of the TV season as they are tied up with nerfing everything into the ground

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Fixed that for you.

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...but apparently the devs can.

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Yes, we can!

Well he's not attacking me. I was just pointing out that this game is not pay to win lol. People always say that about games, and no game is really pay to win. Its more like " pay to enjoy ". Not defiance, but most online games are pay to enjoy.

As for defiance it self. This game is far from bored. I have fun just riding around town helping out people i see on the map, coming to their aid. Or i have fun, just finding cool items. There was another game i use to play but quit 4 months ago, i was looking for a game to replace it with. meaning, everything defiance has, that game did not. So I'm happy to play this. I honestly dont see how this game can get bored with so much stuff to do. Reminds me of GTA 3, which i had for years, still not bored yet.

My advice, play other games and just come back to defiance from to time . But good luck i guess.

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Originally Posted by horup79

Well aware that this post most likely will get removed and med banned from the forums, I still have to speak up.
I would like to state that I do enjoy playing defiance and I do like the concept of the game.
But when that is said, of late, latest changes have made this game uninteresting to me.

I will now list some of the reasons why Defiance has reached this status to me.

1) Empty servers.
Defiance is a MMO. There for the servers should be crowded. A game must hold some sort of co-op before it is interesting to me. I want to play games with my friends and meet new friends. I see the empty servers as a respond, from the gaming community, to Trion as a farewell. And many of my friends have said that and wowed they will never buy another Trion game again.

2) Pay-to-win
The free-to-play bit is to me a cover-up for introducing Pay-to-win. We see this as the drastically reduced numbers of keycodes and arkforge, which have been made essential in order to get better weapons. Top this up with the outrageous prices we are offered to buy the illusive arkforge and we got the worst concept in gaming. Pay-to-win.

3) No fun playing
The repetitive tasks/quests/pursuits etc. has made defiance boring. The has to been something new. Something to entertain us. Something to achieve.
I will however agree that Trion is trying, but it is not working. As I see their efforts, we gamers are runners trying to do a race, and Trion, every time we get close to the finish line, they prolong the race. Same stuff just takes a bit longer. Boring!!
Bring in something really new. Like clan halls and clan outfits and cars. Or let us make events, not just death marches, but incursions, sieges and arkfalls. Introduce weapon forging. And make it so everyone can afford it.

4) Progress - Sense of purpose
There also has to be an experience of progress. A sense of purpose. Both in game and on the forums.
It is not very smart, for whatever reason, a statement was made that, we gamers, were playing the game wrong. To be fair, this is second hand information to me, but it goes very well in line with my other experiences. But if we gamers are not playing the game as Trion wishes, then try to change the game dynamics in a way for us to do so. Do not go blaming the community for undesired gaming behaviour when you, Trion, have the full control over the dynamics.
Another thing. Making forums where we, gamers, can help you, Trion, to make the game work better by submitting error/bug reports, and many do, but we get ignored. At best we get a reply, but nothing gets fixed. Only bug that are beneficial to the gamers gets fixed. If Trion think they lose out on a bug, it gets fixed the day after. But when it improves the gaming experience it takes forever if it ever gets fixed.
By going at it like that people gets the feeling that Trion do not care about their community, and the community are returning the favour.
In game progress has been terminated as well. As I mentioned in 2) Pay-to-win, it is now nearly impossible to accumulate arkforge, which is essential for progress in Defiance. After the latest patches I would be lucky if I could get 500 arkforge in a month. Which to me is ridiculous, since the demand for arkforge is growing each day. 2 week ago I summed up my need for arkforge. If I was to upgrade all my weapons to highest rarity. You know what, I needed 34.000 arkforge. And this is not including any rerolls of a weapons mastery. This is wrong!! And my appreciation for does not cover that timeframe.

Where does this leave me?
I will most like get banned. Feeling a bit depressed that a game that could be so great is not. But still at peace, because I too, will not buy or spend any money on a Trion game ever again. I simply cannot see why. If Trion does not change how they treat their users, I won't participate. I cannot trust Trion not to screw me over again.
But if Trion suddenly decides to wake up, and try to mend things by sorting out the issues I have with Defiance in its immediate state, I won't hesitate keep playing. Looking forward to what action Trion will take.
Best of luck.

Yours truly
Horup79

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Umm.. is this a joke?

Just curious since.. none of that. Pretty much none of it. Makes any sense or is even true.

If anything there are too many people in each shard, instance, phase.. whatever you want to call it... The game has a purpose, otherwise you wouldn't have played it or posted that. The "pay to win" is nothing of the kind. You can play the game from start to finish without spending a dime.

Common misconception: Pay To Win means you actually HAVE To buy something in order to get through the game. Very few games are based on that premise. Given the fact that there are so many different types of social media anymore, usually they get dimed out right away. You can, however, pay for convenience items that don't given an unfair advantage (say in PVP) but allow the buyer something they feel has value. That's simply called the F2P architecture.

Defiance isn't pay to win. For it to be so Trion would have to start selling store only super weapons, boosts, spikes and stims that could only be had via paying real life cash. Like a Tech Mag Pulser based on the best available in game version but with a increase in all stats by 10%+.

Take WoT(world of tanks) they sell Gold rounds. If you sling only Gold rounds which cost real life money (you can get with tons of in game earned credits now) you have a distinct advantage over someone slinging only regular ammo. Last time I played there were still people arguing that Gold rounds were pay to win. The same was said of some of WoT's real life cash Premium tanks. In some cases it was true, especially in the hands of someone or a group that knew how to over come the weaknesses of a Premium tank and exploit the positives. Nothing like the fun of a well practiced squad of 3-5 TOG IIs that know how to roll. TOG jokes can be funny.

There are pay to win armors in some games that when you wear them they are pretty much immune to every enemy damage type except perhaps one. So you carry a second of armor for when you go against an enemy that uses that damage type. That's pay to win.

Defiance lockboxes are nothing but slot machines.

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It does look like we are on a downward trend after the release of F2P, I'm hoping that it levels off at a higher level than we had mid last season.

I really wish we had a higher retention rate, and people rightly find faults with the end/elder game. I know the devs have some plans for this, but for new things we probably have to wait until the end of the TV season as they are tied up with crossover content.

http://i.imgur.com/7VIROa2.png

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That graph is pretty horrid.

I still don't understand why people whine, complain about them game, give no positive feedback or just try to annoy everyone in game (any combination is possible and not limited to one), instead of just leaving.

The argumentation often used also feels flawed. "I have put so much time into this game" or "I invested so much money in this game".
How are these valid arguments to stay, get stressed, get annoyed and have no fun anymore? There are more than enough other games out there to play and what's more, there's also a whole -real- world out there to explore.
Perhaps i am weird in this way, but if a game did indeed go down to the drain (as a lot are basically calling it), i go away. No matter how much time and/or money i've put into it.

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Originally Posted by Nairozet

I still don't understand why people whine, complain about them game, give no positive feedback or just try to annoy everyone in game (any combination is possible and not limited to one), instead of just leaving.

The argumentation often used also feels flawed. "I have put so much time into this game" or "I invested so much money in this game".
How are these valid arguments to stay, get stressed, get annoyed and have no fun anymore? There are more than enough other games out there to play and what's more, there's also a whole -real- world out there to explore.
Perhaps i am weird in this way, but if a game did indeed go down to the drain (as a lot are basically calling it), i go away. No matter how much time and/or money i've put into it.

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Welcome to the Defiance forums.. where negativity is like rain.

Of course, it's the same 3 or 4 trolls that live here and turn it into a cesspool of toxicity, but they're pretty easy to spot.

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Originally Posted by Bacon Overlord

Welcome to the Defiance forums.. where negativity is like rain.

Of course, it's the same 3 or 4 trolls that live here and turn it into a cesspool of toxicity, but they're pretty easy to spot.

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Said your mom!

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Originally Posted by konstantinov

Said your mom!

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"Wow, can't believe Konstantinov said that and sounded just like one of the aforementioned trolls! They NEVER troll......."

Said no one, ever.

This post reminds me of the posts on Blizzard forums and CCP (EVE Online) forums that X game is dying!

DYING!

Yet years later it is still going strong.

horup79, it sounds like you have played Defiance out of all you'll get out of it. There is nothing wrong with that.

I stopped playing WoW. I stopped playing EVE Online. Both are still going strong and both haven't died just because I stopped playing them.

Where this leaves you is simple: move on. Although the fact that you are posting is indicative that you probably won't move on. You just needed a moment to vent some frustration and you'll continue to play as one of those jaded veterans that most MMOs wind up having after being around for awhile.

To address your points:

Empty Servers: This could have fooled me. I have seen people everywhere I go when I'm online. But that might just be a function of the when I am online. If I check out steamcharts for Defiance there is definitely a downward trend of the number of concurrent players online at any given moment. Given that I imagine if one was online during the peak and then came on now they might notice a decline in players of around 30-40% but that still doesn't make the servers empty.

Pay-to-win: Nothing I have seen indicates that the game is pay-to-win or going the direction of pay-to-win. The game is definitely free-to-play and has purchaseable elements in it but I haven't noticed anything that someone can buy that someone who doesn't spend money on cannot get (except perhaps stuff locked behind DLCs?)

No Fun Playing: This is a common enough issue with any game after playing it for a long time. If you've reached this point I would suggest taking a break or just leaving the game entirely. Why play a game if it isn't fun?

Progress: Solid point. It seems that the game is lacking a vision at the moment. Still, that doesn't prevent the game from being enjoyable for what it is.

I'm not sure why you'd get banned for posting what you posted. I'd be surprised if you were banned for it but I'm new enough to be fresh faced and innocent. :)

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"Wow, can't believe Konstantinov said that and sounded just like one of the aforementioned trolls!"

Said no one, ever.

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I had bacon last night for dinner. It was delicious.

Seriously though, you seem pretty mad about all the posts then jump on the bandwagon of like yeah go nerf!! Then you like to ask stupid stupid stupid questions after pretending to know everything about everything. How many times were you dropped on your head as a baby? I've never met someone that sounds so stupid in my life. Congrats you win the stupid stupid stupid droolfest award.

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This post reminds me of the posts on Blizzard forums and CCP (EVE Online) forums that X game is dying!

DYING!

Yet years later it is still going strong.

horup79, it sounds like you have played Defiance out of all you'll get out of it. There is nothing wrong with that.

I stopped playing WoW. I stopped playing EVE Online. Both are still going strong and both haven't died just because I stopped playing them.

Where this leaves you is simple: move on. Although the fact that you are posting is indicative that you probably won't move on. You just needed a moment to vent some frustration and you'll continue to play as one of those jaded veterans that most MMOs wind up having after being around for awhile.

To address your points:

Empty Servers: This could have fooled me. I have seen people everywhere I go when I'm online. But that might just be a function of the when I am online. If I check out steamcharts for Defiance there is definitely a downward trend of the number of concurrent players online at any given moment. Given that I imagine if one was online during the peak and then came on now they might notice a decline in players of around 30-40% but that still doesn't make the servers empty.

Pay-to-win: Nothing I have seen indicates that the game is pay-to-win or going the direction of pay-to-win. The game is definitely free-to-play and has purchaseable elements in it but I haven't noticed anything that someone can buy that someone who doesn't spend money on cannot get (except perhaps stuff locked behind DLCs?)

No Fun Playing: This is a common enough issue with any game after playing it for a long time. If you've reached this point I would suggest taking a break or just leaving the game entirely. Why play a game if it isn't fun?

Progress: Solid point. It seems that the game is lacking a vision at the moment. Still, that doesn't prevent the game from being enjoyable for what it is.

I'm not sure why you'd get banned for posting what you posted. I'd be surprised if you were banned for it but I'm new enough to be fresh faced and innocent. :)

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Warning! Logical post! Troll attack imminent!

Careful about posting things that make sense in here.. You're likely to be picked apart by the Trion haters. They don't want good points, solid arguments or even facts.

They just want to whine and complain and pout about the things they don't like and ruin the game experience for everyone (to include themselves). For some reason, they can't just let go and click another game to play. They want to complain constantly on here.

It's really sad, actually and is exactly what you posted about them not having fun playing.

Games change, that's what keeps them fresh. If you maxed out your weapons early-on you'd be bored out of your mind when you greyed out your bar.

The way people should look at these changes: A time to figure out new things and try new combinations of mods and skills to try to make the best of it. It gives them an excuse to farm again.

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Warning! Logical post! Troll attack imminent!

Careful about posting things that make sense in here.. You're likely to be picked apart by the Trion haters. They don't want good points, solid arguments or even facts.

They just want to whine and complain and pout about the things they don't like and ruin the game experience for everyone (to include themselves). For some reason, they can't just let go and click another game to play. They want to complain constantly on here.

It's really sad, actually and is exactly what you posted about them not having fun playing.

Games change, that's what keeps them fresh. If you maxed out your weapons early-on you'd be bored out of your mind when you greyed out your bar.

The way people should look at these changes: A time to figure out new things and try new combinations of mods and skills to try to make the best of it. It gives them an excuse to farm again.

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You like to complain about the complainers. Where's your validity now?

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You like to complain about the complainers. Where's your validity now?

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quoted for truth

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I had bacon last night for dinner. It was delicious.

Seriously though, you seem pretty mad about all the posts then jump on the bandwagon of like yeah go nerf!! Then you like to ask stupid stupid stupid questions after pretending to know everything about everything. How many times were you dropped on your head as a baby? I've never met someone that sounds so stupid in my life. Congrats you win the stupid stupid stupid droolfest award.

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What worries me (actually more than your grasp of English) is why you're so interested in what I have to say?

Infatuation? Fetishism? Just good old-fashioned stalker tendencies?

Well.. feel free not to answer that, because we'd like to get back to the topic.

K?

Thaaaaanks.

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You like to complain about the complainers. Where's your validity now?

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You just validated what I said........... Irony.

Kinda obvious, really. But, thanks for the support? Even though it was totally unintentional, lol.

Wow...

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What worries me (actually more than your grasp of English) is why you're so interested in what I have to say?

Infatuation? Fetishism? Just good old-fashioned stalker tendencies?

Well.. feel free not to answer that, because we'd like to get back to the topic.

K?

Thaaaaanks.

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HAHAHAHA.



Your post made absolutely no sense. Don't worry you're certain to pass the 5th grade this time. 30th time is the charm.

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HAHAHAHA.



Your post made absolutely no sense. Don't worry you're certain to pass the 5th grade this time. 30th time is the charm.

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Thanks.. you're being really supportive today. Every time I post something, you prove me right.

It's like you're trying to be my best friend.

I don't need your support though.

Thanks.

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Thanks.. you're being really supportive today. Every time I post something, you prove me right.

It's like you're trying to be my best friend.

I don't need your support though.

Thanks.

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You need a therapist and most likely ativan/prozac.

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Thanks.. you're being really supportive today. Every time I post something, you prove me right.

It's like you're trying to be my best friend.

I don't need your support though.

Thanks.

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Relax dude. You are answering in every post and you expect people not replying also!?
This is a forum, if you can`t stand the heat of your own flames just stop making fires.

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Relax dude. You are answering in every post and you expect people not replying also!?
This is a forum, if you can`t stand the heat of your own flames just stop making fires.

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For the record drac, "I ain't got no water let the motherf***er burn."

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Relax dude. You are answering in every post and you expect people not replying also!?
This is a forum, if you can`t stand the heat of your own flames just stop making fires.

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That's the funny part about fires. They can be put out. In the case of this forum it appears that it takes about 50 times being reported, but eventually it will get handled.

There's a difference between responding with constructive criticism and being outright rude or trying to troll.

I don't think there's any question which has happened in this thread.

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This game isn't paid to win. One of my characters is at 350 ego,

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Stopped reading here, coz facepalming hard

You guys realize, You two sound like a couple breaking up?

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Originally Posted by Etaew

It does look like we are on a downward trend after the release of F2P, I'm hoping that it levels off at a higher level than we had mid last season.

I really wish we had a higher retention rate, and people rightly find faults with the end/elder game. I know the devs have some plans for this, but for new things we probably have to wait until the end of the TV season as they are tied up with crossover content.

http://i.imgur.com/7VIROa2.png

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For me, part of the retention issue because whilst the game is an absolute riot when you start and a lot of fun, there isn't much variety. The world doesn't encourage exploration because it's all much of muchness, one mine looks the same as the next, and the events are all basically the same thing. It's fun, don't get me wrong, but it hasn't got much lasting appeal as a world I want to virtually 'live' in. It's exactly the sort of game I'll drop into now and then, but I can't see myself exclusively playing for months on end (or years on end as I did with WoW)

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That's the funny part about fires. They can be put out. In the case of this forum it appears that it takes about 50 times being reported, but eventually it will get handled.

There's a difference between responding with constructive criticism and being outright rude or trying to troll.

I don't think there's any question which has happened in this thread.

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You have your point of view and your problem is that you want people to agree with you no matter what.
Looks like you are trying to doctrinate the way people think and you are not succeeding in that particular aspect.

And it also looks like that you are one of those people that wants by any means to have the last word, fine by me i don`t care.

It`s hard to discuss twisted logic.