Manual Detonation Button

Whose idea was it to put this on the R key, the same key used for reload? Guessing it was leftovers from button mapping for the console version. Is there a way to make these two functions separate? Because if not, this was a pretty sloppy choice by the devs. While it makes perfect sense for a single shot weapon like a rocket launcher, it makes some weapons completely unusable in any efficient way.

Like the grenade launcher that requires manual detonation of sticky bombs. It has a 2 shell clip, and every time you detonate a grenade, the weapon automatically reloads. Every time. Meaning, if you don't want to be reloading at an inopportune moment or getting killed in pvp before you can finish someone off, you have to completely unload your clip and hope both of your grenades hit your target. You can't fire one off and keep one in the clip to fire after, because you're constantly reloading. May not sound like a big deal with 2 grenades (it is, trust me), but I was planning to add a mod that extends my clip size by 3, so I'd be working with 5 grenades instead of 2. With the weapon reloading constantly, that'd be pointless unless I fired off 5 grenades all at once before detonating, using up my ammo quickly as the gun can only hold 40 shells.

Please tell me this wasn't intended.

Its a balance thing. And there are 5 round manual det guns as well. the one you have trades power and blast radius for clip size.

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Originally Posted by ChaosOneX

Its a balance thing. And there are 5 round manual det guns as well. the one you have trades power and blast radius for clip size.

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You completely missed the point of my post.

Let's allow everyone to place 30 grenades in an area, and then detonate them. See what that does for server lag. And I make the two shot gl work, so I'm not sure what the problem is

I have not yet seen any launchers that allow you to place more than one round before it you detonate it.

If the restriction is one round then it should be Left Mouse button to shoot, Left Mouse button to detonate. The R is rather clumsy.

If there are launchers that allow you to spread out 2 or more rounds before you detonate them, then I can understand using the R key to detonate (though I don't like this set up myself).

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Originally Posted by ChaosOneX

Let's allow everyone to place 30 grenades in an area, and then detonate them. See what that does for server lag. And I make the two shot gl work, so I'm not sure what the problem is

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Again you completely missed the point of my post, because if I upgraded my GL with that mod, dumping 5 grenades at once and then detonating is EXACTLY what I'd be doing. It's what I'd have to do to avoid reloading when I don't want to, because the game is making me reload and detonate at the same time instead of letting me press R to detonate my grenades currently out and then press it again if I actually want to reload.

Please actually read and comprehend a post before responding to it, but thanks for the free bumps.

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Originally Posted by illgot

I have not yet seen any launchers that allow you to place more than one round before it you detonate it.

If the restriction is one round then it should be Left Mouse button to shoot, Left Mouse button to detonate. The R is rather clumsy.

If there are launchers that allow you to spread out 2 or more rounds before you detonate them, then I can understand using the R key to detonate (though I don't like this set up myself).

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Well, think of the Demoman from Team Fortress 2. Same concept really. Imagine if reload and detonate were on the same button for that and both functions registered at once. It'd be ridiculous.

Bumping because I want someone in charge to see this.

It would be silly to let you have infinite grenades out at once ready to explode, then det them all at the same time. However, they just need to do it like TF2 where you have can X (maybe 6) out at once and if you shoot more, older ones disappear.

It's not a terrible deal though -- I have a grenade launcher with a clip of 6 that launches cluster bombs. Detonating all 6 at the same time will oneshot just about anything, including the large mobs. As a tradeoff, it's weaker against fast-moving targets.

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Originally Posted by tordana

It would be silly to let you have infinite grenades out at once ready to explode, then det them all at the same time. However, they just need to do it like TF2 where you have can X (maybe 6) out at once and if you shoot more, older ones disappear.

It's not a terrible deal though -- I have a grenade launcher with a clip of 6 that launches cluster bombs. Detonating all 6 at the same time will oneshot just about anything, including the large mobs. As a tradeoff, it's weaker against fast-moving targets.

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You, like the first person to respond, aren't getting it. I'm not complaining about not being able to have a bunch of grenades out at once. In fact you CAN have a bunch out at once (if you add a mod for an extended clip, since the base clip holds 2). And for the record I don't want to do that. I want to be able to fire one at a time and still hold shells in the clip without reloading.

The only reason you can't is because both reload and detonation trigger at the same time when you press R. Meaning if you have a clip of 5 and you don't want to fire everything you have, you HAVE to reload, because as soon as you detonate a grenade, you're forced to. Meaning if you're in a PvP fight or something, you absolutely can't deal any damage with the weapon until you reload, thus making yourself vulnerable.

So, you're either stuck firing 1 or 2 grenades and having to reload your weapon, or waste time lobbing every last grenade beforehand. TF2's demoman GL behaves exactly the same way, except you reload with R and detonate with RMB. It's unintuitive and seems completely broken for anything other than a 1 shot rocket launcher.

I don't get why that's hard to understand.