Do you think this game will get taken too seriously like WOW?

I used to play world of warcraft and enjoyed playing with mates leveling etc but when we got to higher levels and it all became about raiding etc I found that suddenly the game went from fun to boring and annoying you pretty much had to join a guild and then it all became way too serious like its no longer a game but a job you have to do things at certain times and if you didn't do what they said or you made a mistake you just abuse and kicked. Does anyone think this will end up being the same?.

By the way can you even convince your mates to try this game ? My mates are still addicted to wow grrr.

I hope so, but hype is absolutely minimal currently, and we're only 2 month to launch.... Lets hope this same kind of sleeper-hit like Rift was, couple year back.

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Originally Posted by Fiancee

I hope so, but hype is absolutely minimal currently, and we're only 2 month to launch.... Lets hope this same kind of sleeper-hit like Rift was, couple year back.

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I think you might of missed my point I don't mean serious as in will the game get taken seriously I mean I hope people play for fun instead of like wow where some people take it a bit too far.

To be honest, I think that's the style Trion go for, to not waste money on marketing until it's close to the dead line, you find with games where they early on generate hype, as the game can not get released in a timely manner, people move on to other things.

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Originally Posted by SmgUk

I think you might of missed my point I don't mean serious as in will the game get taken seriously I mean I hope people play for fun instead of like wow where some people take it a bit too far.

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Oh we will find out I think. Im personally quite interested to see how the forum looks like when theres some console guys too. I suspect we get good community here.

Rift community is basically full of oldschool PC guys, some new guys tossed in...

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Originally Posted by Fiancee

Oh we will find out I think. Im personally quite interested to see how the forum looks like when theres some console guys too. I suspect we get good community here.

Rift community is basically full of oldschool PC guys, some new guys tossed in...

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Well as a console guy who dabbles in PC gaming I'm looking forward to it gaining momentum and really becoming popular. Honestly there will be a lot of casual people playing and I doubt the game will become boring just because of guilds. The way they talk you can play alone and have just as much fun. But the draw of mmo's is the people.

I can't wait for this to launch. This is a game with a rapid growing community, console MMO, and I was able to catch it a few months before launch. I'm sorry but WoW didn't even have a t.v show to go with it. I like the aspect more of Raiders, Hellbugs, Arkfalls, Gigantic Monster battles with hundreds of other ark hunters, four wheelers, competitive side, and the PvE Side. It balanced unlike WoW.

Guilds and Raids can turn this into a absolute nightmare for the casual gamer. But it just depends on the person playing if the game will be taken to serious. There will be social or raid based guilds and then guilds that focus on both. Feeling will be hurt,fun will be had!

Pretty much every game has people that take it to seriously. Just gotta find the right people to play with.

i think the main reason why wow became the power house it is today is it was the first that truly made MMO main stream (i know theres plenty before it i used to play them, but mmo didnt come to light for most until wow), because it was the first (for most players) they did it all, and they did endless hours of it, until bordom finally set in.

no matter how hard others try you techincally doing the same thing in a different format, wether it be an instance, pvp arena or working for new equipment/loot. so although you may be doing gw2 dungeon or swotr. its still a dungeon like the ones you done 1,000 times before (enter - kill mobs - kill mini boss - kill mobs - kill big boss - end). with a different lick of paint. so its hard not to get mentally tired of it quick. (once that lick of paint has worn off)

other games do bring in quirks like new ways of doing things, like combat etc but they again bring back to that old set up wow made us all bored of. (interms of the rest of the game).

do i think defiance has a fighting shot? well the game itself brings other latches to the game that wow never had that should keep us interested. first and formost the tvshow which in its own right has a fighting shot of lasting (great actors, great unique story, good budget) so with this the game will keep a large audiance, how ever you could argue this audiance will be seasonal, as its buy to play, theres nothing stopping people putting down the game between seasons of the show.

As for the game its self brings another big card to the table, console market. now as we all know this market is tempestuous with games. i truly believe a huge life line that will truly make this game a wow killer, will be if in the future it can go cross platform! otherwise most console gamers have got a nasty habit of play for a month then move on when the next game comes out. with crossplatform it wont slowly die as people move on, as boredom sets in with quiet servers

so will it survive? only time will tell. but it certonly does bring some big cards to the already full market.

i hope there will be guilds, but at the same time i hope the dynamic events are similar to other games i wont name in that anyone who participates and contributes gets rewarded just not the top person. as far as raids go i highly doubt it (as far as instanced progression raids), they have said there will be 4 man PVE instances but that is more group content. from what ive seen from livestreams (not said but seen), it seems progression is far more casual and luck driven than having to be in X guild to be able to progress through X raids.

I haven't seen anything comparable to WoW yet when it comes to endgame. I'm talking about vanilla WoW here, 40 man raids, 40 people in TS, every single one of them concentrated .. not to f-u-c-k up.

Everything after that was basically a joke ..

So I'm hoping, that Trion will give us something similar, that is hard to crack, secrets that are left uncovered, undocumented and unpublished, for the community to find out and solve, no hints, no nothing.

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Originally Posted by Yooji

I haven't seen anything comparable to WoW yet when it comes to endgame. I'm talking about vanilla WoW here, 40 man raids, 40 people in TS, every single one of them concentrated .. not to f-u-c-k up.

Everything after that was basically a joke ..

So I'm hoping, that Trion will give us something similar, that is hard to crack, secrets that are left uncovered, undocumented and unpublished, for the community to find out and solve, no hints, no nothing.

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It's hard to make it so hardcore and make it accessible to the casual market at the same time. I just want it to where if you like the hardcore stuff have fun but if you don't you can still have fun without it. There are days on GW2 where I don't want to party up at all and others where thats all I'm doing.

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Originally Posted by SmgUk

I think you might of missed my point I don't mean serious as in will the game get taken seriously I mean I hope people play for fun instead of like wow where some people take it a bit too far.

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ANY game that has raids, endgame grinding and weapons and guilds will ALWAYS have those kinda ppl.. theres always gonna be that guild or guilds that wanna be the best (or one of the best) and be known of by everyone and being in one of those guilds/clans is usully all serious busines). I would know I was in one such guild for 3 years and lead one such guild for another 4 years after that lol.

Of course there was one that was so serious they required every member give out their phone number... and one of the healers got called at 3am to come online and revive a clan member who died in a dangerous area lol.... Im like ok I may be serious myself but im not crazy i know when and where to draw the line... and something like THAT is DEFINITELY crossing it... Id curse someone out if they called me and woke me up at 3am for some crap like that... by the time I was done theyd be too scared to ever call me again lol.

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Originally Posted by Yooji

I haven't seen anything comparable to WoW yet when it comes to endgame. I'm talking about vanilla WoW here, 40 man raids, 40 people in TS, every single one of them concentrated .. not to f-u-c-k up.

Everything after that was basically a joke ..

So I'm hoping, that Trion will give us something similar, that is hard to crack, secrets that are left uncovered, undocumented and unpublished, for the community to find out and solve, no hints, no nothing.

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no they wont give us any of that after all this is "a shooter first and an mmo second" and stuff like that doesnt happen in shooters.. Im guessing the only similarities thisll have to WoW or any MMORPG is the its in an open persistent work with quests and hundreds of ppl exist and interact at the same time.

time will tell as more details are released besides the combat that has been shown so far.

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Originally Posted by SteelPaladin

time will tell as more details are released besides the combat that has been shown so far.

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they still havnt even told us all the pvp modes yet, only hinted there are more beyond death match, shadow war, and capture the point.

or about dungeons ie how many there will be etc

Since the game is a shooter its not as math heavy as WoW and can be a game a player can pick up, play PVP in different modes and then put down. With the main story world literally in the same map one can invest more time. The great thing about the game is that it can attract a casual gamer and people who normally invest alot of time and energy into their characters. SO yea there will be people treating the game perhaps more seriously that it should and there will also be the players looking for a pickup PVP every now and again. It's a shooter so it adds a different dynamic

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Originally Posted by DuoMaxwell007

no they wont give us any of that after all this is "a shooter first and an mmo second" and stuff like that doesnt happen in shooters.. Im guessing the only similarities thisll have to WoW or any MMORPG is the its in an open persistent work with quests and hundreds of ppl exist and interact at the same time.

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does anyone remember the AQ event in wow? something along that line, it requires guilds to work together though

What we real need is a place or a game mode that lets the hardcore be hardcore and if you go there, you know that A game is a joke and you need SS rank game. It is a shooter, people need to know that a shooter is about skill, if you have it you can't help but show it in this type of game. Even in groups, the score will be show at the end they will know how good you did. Others will find out and like "likes" it will add up. If there is a place that kind of player can go and look like a joke b/c of AI or other players just like him/her. That would be a place I would like to plant my flag.

A Ego power level will set up who you face in PVP so this will keep it so that OP gear dose not change the outcome of a fight.
The players will have to let each other know how good they are, now don't go around casting Doom on peoples moms and what not. It will be up to the Dev's to make a mode or a place for the so called best to lose the so called.

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Originally Posted by SmgUk

I think you might of missed my point I don't mean serious as in will the game get taken seriously I mean I hope people play for fun instead of like wow where some people take it a bit too far.

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As someone who use to go to Counter Strike tournaments, I hope we get a little bit of the hard core mind set. It is why WOW hit 12 million subs. At the same time I hope no one does the oh Defiance only has a million subs so it must have failed. Because many successful MMOs have 150k-500k subs. I think Defiance can do much better than that, but it all hinges on Shooter players being able to take this game serious. Look back at Tabula Rasa, it was over hyped and died before anyone noticed. The world wasn't ready for a MMOshooter but it looks like it could be ready now.

I think it's going to depend which platform you play. I think the PC players will have the more hardcore "treat it like a job" mentality since that's where the vast majority of the MMOs are, minus one or two that hit consoles. I'd expect the consoles to be significantly more laid back by comparison, due to consoles having a bigger gaming population, and a majority of them being fairly "casual." (Disclaimer: I use that term loosely, since there never really is one defining sentiment of casual vs. hardcore)

Console gamers will have a lot of elitist attitudes, but you won't see many of them going on a thirty minute tirade because someone wasn't online. Granted some console gamers will be coming from PC gaming, but the majority of console gamers won't even have any real Guild experience, or MMO experience.

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Originally Posted by gothicshark

As someone who use to go to Counter Strike tournaments, I hope we get a little bit of the hard core mind set. It is why WOW hit 12 million subs. At the same time I hope no one does the oh Defiance only has a million subs so it must have failed. Because many successful MMOs have 150k-500k subs. I think Defiance can do much better than that, but it all hinges on Shooter players being able to take this game serious. Look back at Tabula Rasa, it was over hyped and died before anyone noticed. The world wasn't ready for a MMOshooter but it looks like it could be ready now.

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Agreed with this post. Shooters are usually more hardcore than rpgs, and I hope this has a hardcore community because I always play to improve and not casually, although I can play casually... I guess?

I also hate how people say a game failed because it doesn't have millions of players. I remember someone saying that if FireFall didn't have more than 2-3 million players it would fail at trying to be a competitive game and I brought up the fact games like counter-strike have only 50-100k players... I think it's stupid to say a game will fail if it doesn't have as many players as World of Warcraft.

Then main difference between WoW and most other mmo's isn't the gameplay or the perks. It's the advertising in my opinion. It was one of the first generally big MMO's and they advertised like crazy and then word of mouth went around and made the advertising bigger. The more advertising the more players. I played WoW from the beginning for quite a few years alongside other games and frankly only reason I kept playing was well everyone I knew was playing and didn't want to try something else even though the other games were exactly the same.

Now their is a more broad variety of MMO's so a lot more are spread thin. Though they might not hold record numbers like WoW they are all still very decent games. As I said the only reason why it still towers is the advertising, a lot of lower end MMO's can't get their advertising out or are just to lazy to push the advertising so it only get's spread through word of mouth so less player base. However any game can be successful they just need to advertise correctly and make sure the gameplay actually works and fixes bugs.

Take WarZ for example everyone says that game is horrible ect, well their advertising and speaking to the community was atrocious to say the least so everyone called them liars ect and the game is now buried with trolls/hackers and god knows what else. But that game still thrives for the players who believe in it.

So the TLDR; Will it be taken as seriously as WoW? Only to the true players who believe in the game and want it to thrive.