How many times has Trion devalued our items?

I was talking to another long time players and we were looking back at some of the other "fixes" which hurt the value of our items.

So far I have..

Pre Patch Weapons vs Post Patch Weapons: This was a good change but they gave us no way to add the missing roll to our pre patch weapons.

Consumable Grenades: This ruined whole collections of grenades and killed a unique system special to Defiance.

Shield Typo: This ruined the value of plain IV and V shields of each type and again killed a unique system special to Defiance.

On Reload Cooldown: This didn't ruin that value of weapons necessarily but it did make some less desirable.

The new Zagger change: Telling us months ago this would not be changed and letting us spend time/forge/scrip to acquire these only to go back on your word.

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Originally Posted by Lucent

http://www.defiancedata.com/page.php?id=198

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ZAGGERS WITH 0 RELOAD TIME:

It's an unintended side effect, but we aren't going to change it. We probably should have had a minimum reload time.

Now just to make sure we waste our time and forge on Zaggers we get this!

Will upgraded rarity DLC weapons have roll their bonuses from appropriate groups?:

Yes.

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The last one obviously bothers me the most because they outright lied to use.

So what else has Trion done to devalue our items?

You forgot the nerf to ALL uniquely named weapons, such as Ark code weapons and pre-order gear.

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

You forgot the nerf to ALL uniquely named weapons, such as Ark code weapons and pre-order gear.

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Good catch! I don't know how I missed that pointless nerf.

How about the paper vehicle nerfs while we are at it? I know they aren't weapons but still a pointless nerf.

+ Mag rolls on sawed offs (which is making a zaggerific comeback) and burst mags for bug guns, but thats old school stuff.
I still miss my 55z's and 55w's, though.
And the nerf to grenadier ruined a bunch of guns.
And the score system.
And the defiant guns.
I try to keep in mind that all the items in my inventory, even the stuff i bought with bits, belongs to trion. My copy of the game and my season pass just alow me access to the servers. Which is a privilege in a way, not really a right. Sort of like a driver's license, it feels like a god given right, but play by the rules or lose your privileges.
On the other hand I do have the right to decide how i spend my money.

You forgot 2 other important things that aren't considered items. But these are 2 major issues.

Adding in the encryption system making every single white, green and blue drop irrelevant. What is the point for me to pick up this weapon knowing I can't maximize it to its full potential. It means there is no fun in achieving any weapon under purple, it makes arkforge that much more useless, because why would I upgrade it just for it to get encrypted. The whole fun in weapon drops is you aren't going to know what you get, and you take a chance on rng to upgrade it and see what rolls you get, not predetermined rolls. If you want to see what dropped,and it is white green or blue then you say; oh it's not purple? Pfft. Next drop. Please be purple

Making keys now cost a high amount of scrip, when before it used to be ark salvage. So what's the point of ark salvage? Adding mod slots? Wow. I have 900k ark salvage and it just goes up and up and up but what do I use it on? I don't add mod slots to every single weapon. Even if I did, I will still have a large amount of arksalvage.
These aren't items, but they practically devalued their own system. You create it, then change it to something unnecessary.
How about a broken dueling system? In pvp you scale, but duels you don't? So why do I duel? What's the point? The "pursuit/contract?" Yeah cause beig 1 shot 100 times in a row seems "fun"
What about ARs and LMGS being pointless to use now? Same for bmgs, nothing can compete against a cannoneer needler? It feels like without the right rolls, all pre dlc weapons are obsolete. The only reason to use a bmg/lmg/ar is preference really. I'm not denying that some are good, but I am saying there isn't much of a point to use them because they fail in Pvp and leaderboards against high tier (dlc) weapons.

The Zagger is one of the guns that are so good at what it does that it makes a lot of other guns undervalued in comparison. Out of the 100+ weapons the Zagger is a must have above all. It is/was a 200 round Sawed Off that charged Ego with ever shot. Jeez get over it. The thing was crazy unbalanced. And so many lesser things have cool downs so why shouldn't these huge Ego charges from reloading be any different?

If anything the Grenade change actually buffed grenades. Bio pool durations are way longer then before. Frags were nowhere close to the damage they put out as they do now. And plus now everyone has the choice to toss a grenade one after another were as before the only players who could were ones who had the right set up to do it. So for having a universal no cool down on grenades for everyone and making them way stronger its not so bad that they have been limited to a ammo pool. For what got taking away a lot more good got added.

And vehicles just used to be able to run everything over. Does anyone else remember going to Ark Falls and players driving around in mass derby circles running over and killing everything on arrival? It was horrible, you couldn't shoot anything. It got to the point were for players to score more kills then the other drivers that many would just play up to the mission where you would get the Titan truck and stop there to go around to use that since it was wider to hit more stuff and then there was Titans at every Arkfall blocking all kinds of players views.

I don't see anything bad with the these decisions that got made to be changed.

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Originally Posted by Nefarious

The Zagger is one of the guns that are so good at what it does that it makes a lot of other guns undervalued in comparison. Out of the 100+ weapons the Zagger is a must have above all. It is/was a 200 round Sawed Off that charged Ego with ever shot. Jeez get over it. The thing was crazy unbalanced. And so many lesser things have cool downs so why shouldn't these huge Ego charges from reloading be any different?

If anything the Grenade change actually buffed grenades. Bio pool durations are way longer then before. Frags were nowhere close to the damage they put out as they do now. And plus now everyone has the choice to toss a grenade one after another were as before the only players who could were ones who had the right set up to do it. So for having a universal no cool down on grenades for everyone and making them way stronger its not so bad that they have been limited to a ammo pool. For what got taking away a lot more good got added.

And vehicles just used to be able to run everything over. Does anyone else remember going to Ark Falls and players driving around in mass derby circles running over and killing everything on arrival? It was horrible, you couldn't shoot anything. It got to the point were for players to score more kills then the other drivers that many would just play up to the mission where you would get the Titan truck and stop there to go around to use that since it was wider to hit more stuff and then there was Titans at every Arkfall blocking all kinds of players views.

I don't see anything bad with the these decisions that got made to be changed.

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Good to see ya as always Nerfy! However nerfing all named weapons, like the pre-ordered ones was bad. So is nerf the vehicles, when they blow up in one hit just because you drove past an enemy to go elsewhere. Btw in case you aren't aware, it DOES make it impossible for people to get the achievement for running over other players, since it requires that the vehicle kill them, but now the vehicle explodes when it hits a person and the person just shrugs it off and shoots the stunned driver.

And perhaps you should check this post by me! :p :p :p
http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...=1#post1625884

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

Good to see ya as always Nerfy! However nerfing all named weapons, like the pre-ordered ones was bad. So is nerf the vehicles, when they blow up in one hit just because you drove past an enemy to go elsewhere. Btw in case you aren't aware, it DOES make it impossible for people to get the achievement for running over other players, since it requires that the vehicle kill them, but now the vehicle explodes when it hits a person and the person just shrugs it off and shoots the stunned driver.

And perhaps you should check this post by me! :p :p :p
http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...=1#post1625884

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All they have to do is up the collision dmg for the Cerberus and all that and Im all for it. The Cerberus is the 'Power Weapon' of the field and players should want to rush and jump in to use it. And I agree with the pre order weapons but like them many got left dusted when the new tier system for weapons was introduced. The blue ones eventually got the missing blue rolls. It would of been cool to have them be good but they served their purpose in the beginning.

Don't think anyone mentioned the saw nerf or the original shotgun nerf that happened around the time the vehicles were nerfed. They aren't around anymore but I agree the firestorm and thundershock nerfs were poorly thought out.

But hey... It's their game after all.

I wonder why we don't have sling shots and cross bows. Seems like you would see those in the wasteland.

Throw out grenade like idea and runs

"make the weapons u can use in pvp only ones you have aquired in pve as legendary as a maximum (like the encryption bonus) unmodded and everything else have a 10% penalty" No mods available and choose your weapon rolls.


*and keeps running and running

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

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I wonder why we don't have sling shots and cross bows. Seems like you would see those in the wasteland.

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Good question I and several others gave them all kinds of bow ideas for a year before finally giving up on it!

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...=1#post1429688

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

Good question I and several others gave them all kinds of bow ideas for a year before finally giving up on it!

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...=1#post1429688

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I forgot. Not in the budget.

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Originally Posted by Bonehead

I forgot. Not in the budget.

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Not to mention all the vets that poopoo'ed on the idea saying stupid things like:
Bows aren't EVER wanted in a shooter!
We do NOT need or want more weapons!
Let Trion finish their 5 planned dlc first, then ask because those DLC will be GREAT!
Let Trion fix lag first because after they spend 2 months or so on the game, it will be almost lag free, then ask for more stuff!
Stop asking for stuff! They don't owe it to us, to listen to any of our ideas!
No "REAL" hunter would use a bow!
Even swords are more efficient than a bow!
This isn't a dumb post-apocalyptic game, where civilians and beginning mercs can't afford better gear than a bow!
You think a game company EVER actually listens to it's forumites?!

I could keep going but I am sure you get the idea. People would rather insult other people's ideas, than consider it, or give a constructive opinion on how to make it work.

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

Not to mention all the vets that poopoo'ed on the idea saying stupid things like:
Bows aren't EVER wanted in a shooter!

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Well the crossbows in Crysis 3 and Rage were AWESOME!

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Well the crossbows in Crysis 3 and Rage were AWESOME!

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I loved the Crossbows in Rage!

Too bad the replay value of the game was non-existent! Oh well, I took advantage of several trade-in deals Gamestop had at the time and traded it in towards a pre-order of Me3. I ended up putting 50$ trade-in towards Me3, all from Rage. With the 30$ trade in credit that my little brother had on my account and the 40$ my little sis gave me for an early Bday pres. that year, I ended up reserving and paying off the Me3 collector's ed. and used the 80$ or so that I had to make use of a tech month special at gamestop and buy the Xbox LIVE 12 Month Gold Starter Kit for the same price as just a 12 month membership, and used the leftover money to buy a 44 oz. soda and a Deluxe burrito from the mini-mart near my house on my walk back from the Me3 midnight release. :) Of course, since the XBOne came out, they made it that price, regularly, but back then it was normally 20$ more than the 12 month membership.

If you don't like changes then don't play a shard/mmo type game because they are always changing. Also don't put all your eggs in one basket because in a game of this type change will happen and you go with the flow or you quit. One of the first nerf was to my FRC SAW but did I go on the forums and start yelling this isn't fair. No, I step back and looked at how much damage I was doing and how easy it was to solo arkfalls said ya they need to nerf my girl a little bit she is way to crazy. Also pass changes were done I believe on a number chart where as these new changes have been due to more player feedback.

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If you don't like changes then don't play a shard/mmo type game because they are always changing. Also don't put all your eggs in one basket because in a game of this type change will happen and you go with the flow or you quit. One of the first nerf was to my FRC SAW but did I go on the forums and start yelling this isn't fair. No, I step back and looked at how much damage I was doing and how easy it was to solo arkfalls said ya they need to nerf my girl a little bit she is way to crazy. Also pass changes were done I believe on a number chart where as these new changes have been due to more player feedback.

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Did you get a response from the Creative Lead saying they weren't going to nerf SAWs before they nerfed them? We were told something wouldn't be nerfed and spent forge on it and now we suffer for the lie.

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Originally Posted by Mr666

If you don't like changes then don't play a shard/mmo type game because they are always changing. Also don't put all your eggs in one basket because in a game of this type change will happen and you go with the flow or you quit. One of the first nerf was to my FRC SAW but did I go on the forums and start yelling this isn't fair. No, I step back and looked at how much damage I was doing and how easy it was to solo arkfalls said ya they need to nerf my girl a little bit she is way to crazy. Also pass changes were done I believe on a number chart where as these new changes have been due to more player feedback.

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This must be the first post that actually makes sense when it comes to nerfing guns. People these days dont want any kind of balance, they just wants to be more powerful. What most of them can't see is that when they got their unicorn guns they will quit because the chase is not satisfying anymore. That doesnt sound like a good game to me.

The only nerf i feel was uncalled for is grenades. Because grenades.

on the other hand when trion nerfs something they do render the leftovers useless, in most cases.
Immunizer and syphon are the first things that comes to my mind

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Originally Posted by Shakk

This must be the first post that actually makes sense when it comes to nerfing guns. People these days dont want any kind of balance, they just wants to be more powerful. What most of them can't see is that when they got their unicorn guns they will quit because the chase is not satisfying anymore. That doesnt sound like a good game to me.

The only nerf i feel was uncalled for is grenades. Because grenades.

on the other hand when trion nerfs something they do render the leftovers useless, in most cases.
Immunizer and syphon are the first things that comes to my mind

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Sorry but you must have missed the livestream that encouraged people to spend their time and forge on Zaggers.

http://www.defiancedata.com/page.php?id=198

Please watch the livestream and see how they encouraged us to spend time/forge on Zaggers.

I'm sorry but the fact of the matter is...we're the ones that caused the nerfs. People complaining and whining about this weapon being to powerful or that one having no reload time etc etc is taken seriously by Defiance when enough people cry about it for long enough.

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How about the paper vehicle nerfs while we are at it? I know they aren't weapons but still a pointless nerf.

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I kind of liked this nerf though. It was too many cars in major arkfalls just running things over and lagging the game. Especially in the big 18 Wheeler mack truck things. What i dont like though is the disappearing cars. That is the worst and was never meant to be part of the game but is now a feature that will never be fixed...or has it? Been gone to long to know

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Originally Posted by Chump Norris

Sorry but you must have missed the livestream that encouraged people to spend their time and forge on Zaggers.

http://www.defiancedata.com/page.php?id=198

Please watch the livestream and see how they encouraged us to spend time/forge on Zaggers.

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They didn't say they were *never* going to change it. How they put it could also imply they won't change it *now*. That is a difference.
They didn't lie or haven't told the truth.
It was poorly put, I admit that. They could have been more clear on that but since they never said "We are never going to change the way the Zagger behaves", they also did, in fact, not lie.
If people take this as the reason to buy Zaggers for millions of scrip, the mods for it plus reroll it numerous times to get the reload roll, that frankly is their own fault.

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I kind of liked this nerf though. It was too many cars in major arkfalls just running things over and lagging the game. Especially in the big 18 Wheeler mack truck things. What i dont like though is the disappearing cars. That is the worst and was never meant to be part of the game but is now a feature that will never be fixed...or has it? Been gone to long to know

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Read the PTS Patch notes ;)

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Possibly fixed the long-standing bug where your vehicle will spontaneously despawn.
Thanks to the RepoCrew who helped with this: Fuzzy, Market, Stoodakiss, Etaew, Xaat, Infinity Eagle, and Morbid Angel. You will be granted the exclusive "Repo Crew" title on your live accounts shortly after Aftermath is released! We appreciate your help!

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http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...-is-now-on-PTS

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They didn't say they were *never* going to change it. How they put it could also imply they won't change it *now*. That is a difference.
They didn't lie or haven't told the truth.
It was poorly put, I admit that. They could have been more clear on that but since they never said "We are never going to change the way the Zagger behaves", they also did, in fact, not lie.
If people take this as the reason to buy Zaggers for millions of scrip, the mods for it plus reroll it numerous times to get the reload roll, that frankly is their own fault.

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"It's an unintended side effect, but we aren't going to change it." Not sure how that is not perfectly clear to you. Then further insulting everyone who took them at their word is not endearing anyone to you. Especially when you claim they didn't lie.

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"It's an unintended side effect, but we aren't going to change it." Not sure how that is not perfectly clear to you. Then further insulting everyone who took them at their word is not endearing anyone to you. Especially when you claim they didn't lie.

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"aren't" doesn't mean "never" in my dictionary.
I am not insulting people who took them by their word. You interpreted their words. I put a lot of AF myself into getting the reload mastery on my Zagger, but I am not complaining now.
They can change their game anytime they want to.

I already said, it wasn't *perfectly* clear, but in my dictionary, "aren't" does not mean "never"

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"aren't" doesn't mean "never" in my dictionary.
I am not insulting people who took them by their word. You interpreted their words. I put a lot of AF myself into getting the reload mastery on my Zagger, but I am not complaining now.
They change change their game anytime they want to.

I already said, it wasn't *perfectly* clear, but in my dictionary, "aren't" does not mean "never"

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You're playing BS semantics trying to stick up for Trion and you know it. It means exactly that. If you don't mind that change that is fine that is your opinion. But don't lie and have and have a holier than though attitude in stating your opinion. To clarify I didn't spend any scrip or ark forge on my Zagger but I can certainly understand why everyone else would have and would be upset about it.

I didn't like the infinite EGO regeneration that the zagger had before. If they would have fixed the reload animation on it none if this would be necessary. Now it is a double nerf on the back of the cool down timers with reload effects.

Back to the original post, the biggest power nerf/market devaluation ever was clearly DLC5. On one hand, the weapons EGO scaling had us dump a lot of previously decent guns, for lack of arkforge to keep them up to our EGO levels ; on the other, the bullet sponge effect of high health + armor on mobs made others completely obsolete (I'm looking at you, sawn-offs).

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You're playing BS semantics trying to stick up for Trion and you know it. It means exactly that. If you don't mind that change that is fine that is your opinion. But don't lie and have and have a holier than though attitude in stating your opinion. To clarify I didn't spend any scrip or ark forge on my Zagger but I can certainly understand why everyone else would have and would be upset about it.

I didn't like the infinite EGO regeneration that the zagger had before. If they would have fixed the reload animation on it none if this would be necessary. Now it is a double nerf on the back of the cool down timers with reload effects.

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Don't put words in my mouth or imply something which you do not know for sure. I am not lying. I am stating what I personally think is right.
It is their game, I think they are allowed to make changes to their game as they see fit.
They could even change their minds if they wanted to which I don't think happened here. It is my opinion. You have yours on that one, but don't state I would be lying.

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Do you mean "never (under the same circumstances) state I would be lying", or just "do not state that for now"? I'm not a native-speaker, I'm struggling.

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The Zagger is one of the guns that are so good at what it does that it makes a lot of other guns undervalued in comparison. Out of the 100+ weapons the Zagger is a must have above all. It is/was a 200 round Sawed Off that charged Ego with ever shot. Jeez get over it. The thing was crazy unbalanced. And so many lesser things have cool downs so why shouldn't these huge Ego charges from reloading be any different?

If anything the Grenade change actually buffed grenades. Bio pool durations are way longer then before. Frags were nowhere close to the damage they put out as they do now. And plus now everyone has the choice to toss a grenade one after another were as before the only players who could were ones who had the right set up to do it. So for having a universal no cool down on grenades for everyone and making them way stronger its not so bad that they have been limited to a ammo pool. For what got taking away a lot more good got added.

And vehicles just used to be able to run everything over. Does anyone else remember going to Ark Falls and players driving around in mass derby circles running over and killing everything on arrival? It was horrible, you couldn't shoot anything. It got to the point were for players to score more kills then the other drivers that many would just play up to the mission where you would get the Titan truck and stop there to go around to use that since it was wider to hit more stuff and then there was Titans at every Arkfall blocking all kinds of players views.

I don't see anything bad with the these decisions that got made to be changed.

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lol. So much wrong in the post I won't even bother, as usual lol from Nerfarious. Trion have no idea how the game mechanics work, honestly I get a much higher K/D ratio with the Slugger. So when they nerf the Zagger get ready for an even more powerful weapon, once they nerf that then onto the Percise Chaos, once they nerf that, then it's on to the Big Boomer, once they nerf that, then it's on to the Canker, once they nerf that then it's going to be snipers, snipers, and more snipers.

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Originally Posted by Chump Norris

Sorry but you must have missed the livestream that encouraged people to spend their time and iancedata.com/page.php?id=198[/url]

Please watch the livestream and see how they encouraged us to spend time/forge on Zaggers.

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You are right, I did not see that stream. I do agree with you that trion did a real *****move saying it wouldnt be changed etc.

No company should lie about future plans or give out information about stuff they havet discussed. What they should have said is "we have not talked through this yet and will therefor not make any statement now but we are going to discuss what will be done"

I feel that the nerf itself was needed (Yes, I want the PvE to be harder and the PvP more balanced)

About this Zagger mess:

48:32 on the stream. This (It's an unintended side effect, but we aren't going to change it. We probably should have had a minimum reload time.) is not a direct quote.

This is the best I could do getting a word-for-word quote on what was actually said. Seeing the section of the stream, specifically the tone of Trick's voice for this question, made me think the whole subject was still quite up in the air... but take what you will from it. I have my opinions but won't slight anyone else for theirs.

Scapes: ... a followup on Zaggers with zero-reload time, is that intentional?
Trick: uhhh...? it's sort of an unintended side effect, but uh, we don't... really gonna take that away?... we probably should have made some sort of algorithm that made there be a minimum reload time... but ya know what? It's nice?
Cole: Screw algorithms!
Trick: Screw algorithms! Uh, I... I have no... Oh, what's this?...... (Trick gets distracted by something shiny and the discussion of the Zagger ends here)

Now. For semantics, yes, he said "we don't... really gonna take that away?" Those were indeed his words. However, if you watch and listen, nearly everything he says ends in a question. For my own take on anything they say, unless they come out directly with "this will never change", it's my opinion that it could. This section of the livestream doesn't make Trick a liar as far as I'm concerned. Bad wording? Yes, that I will agree with. He didn't directly say that it would never happen, nor did he say that it was absolutely going to change.

I will say that we need to focus on the real issue and not devolve into attacking each other for opinions. The real issue, to me anyway, is that Trick needs to choose his words better and be clear. Personally, I'd like to see the Q&A parts of the stream done without game play going on. We've seen it far too many times where a question is answered poorly because of intense distraction with the game. That shouldn't be happening. Especially when Trick's words are held under a very powerful microscope as they often are.

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"It's an unintended side effect, but we aren't going to change it." Not sure how that is not perfectly clear to you. Then further insulting everyone who took them at their word is not endearing anyone to you. Especially when you claim they didn't lie.

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Honestly (as in the case of grenades) I don't even understand why this change was needed. I rarely see anyone using Zagger's in PVE, and in PVP, I get killed far more often by snipers and sluggers and bearz OH MY!

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Originally Posted by Z0mb13

Honestly (as in the case of grenades) I don't even understand why this change was needed. I rarely see anyone using Zagger's in PVE, and in PVP, I get killed far more often by snipers and sluggers and bearz OH MY!

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I agree...plus why the heck doesn't my grenade refill after a PvP match. I should not have to go buy more at a fast travel before i can go enjoy a PvP again.

nerfed the mass cannon too

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Omg I actually have the mental image of a few people sitting in front of their computers pulling their hair and screaming because some virtual object in a virtual world that they do not own was changed...yes and I even find it hilarious that some other people are mad because you think you got jipped because you virtually changed your virtual object to meet your need. I am virtually laughing right now.

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About this Zagger mess:

48:32 on the stream. This (It's an unintended side effect, but we aren't going to change it. We probably should have had a minimum reload time.) is not a direct quote.

This is the best I could do getting a word-for-word quote on what was actually said. Seeing the section of the stream, specifically the tone of Trick's voice for this question, made me think the whole subject was still quite up in the air... but take what you will from it. I have my opinions but won't slight anyone else for theirs.

Scapes: ... a followup on Zaggers with zero-reload time, is that intentional?
Trick: uhhh...? it's sort of an unintended side effect, but uh, we don't... really gonna take that away?... we probably should have made some sort of algorithm that made there be a minimum reload time... but ya know what? It's nice?
Cole: Screw algorithms!
Trick: Screw algorithms! Uh, I... I have no... Oh, what's this?...... (Trick gets distracted by something shiny and the discussion of the Zagger ends here)

Now. For semantics, yes, he said "we don't... really gonna take that away?" Those were indeed his words. However, if you watch and listen, nearly everything he says ends in a question. For my own take on anything they say, unless they come out directly with "this will never change", it's my opinion that it could. This section of the livestream doesn't make Trick a liar as far as I'm concerned. Bad wording? Yes, that I will agree with. He didn't directly say that it would never happen, nor did he say that it was absolutely going to change.

I will say that we need to focus on the real issue and not devolve into attacking each other for opinions. The real issue, to me anyway, is that Trick needs to choose his words better and be clear. Personally, I'd like to see the Q&A parts of the stream done without game play going on. We've seen it far too many times where a question is answered poorly because of intense distraction with the game. That shouldn't be happening. Especially when Trick's words are held under a very powerful microscope as they often are.

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It's simple. The small team Trick had at that time, didn't have the time or knowledge to fix it so they were not touching it. Things changed, when they finally hired more people. They actually put one person in charge of gear fixes. That one person with the small team he has, has the time to alter it now, so they are doing so.

Remember, Trick also said, there would never be DLC gear in lockboxes, but that new Gear person, put Wildcats into lockboxes for a few weeks.

Part of it is bad wording, part is Trick knew the team they had at that time didn't have the time. Another part, a bigger part, is that They hired a new guy (Rashere) and put him in charge of gear, but nobody ever told him that Trick said that stuff wouldn't happen. So Rashere, feeling it needed done, went a head and did it. It's that simple, Trick as LEAD, put Rashere in charge of gear, so he could handle the bigger issues, finally.

(Btw Market I thought your post would be the best segue into my opinion, nothing more.)

Ya know, in my time playing Defiance and reading these forums I have seen the company do some rather shady things. More than once I have called foul, and I sure wasn't quiet about it. When the dust settled on certain situations I felt justified in what I had said and then there were other times that I felt perhaps I had been mistaken in my judgments.

I honestly do not believe they intended to swindle people out of anything in this situation.

Many players took it upon themselves to spend large amounts of arkforge and in some cases real life money to obtain an in-game item. Like many other things in life, which includes most things in online gaming, it was a gamble. You win some, you lose some.

I would strongly suggest to my fellow players to always consider this one question before making any choices in this online game or any other... If I do this, then the company goes out of business tomorrow, will I regret having made this choice? If the answer is yes, and you want to play it safe then don't do it. Simple.

It is easy for some people to accept responsibility for their choices, and yet it is near impossible for others. We all make mistakes, what matters is how we deal with them. The key part is that we learn from our mistakes.

I've been there, and I learned from my mistake which is why I will never spend money on something in a game unless I know for certain I will not regret it tomorrow when the company goes out of business.

I learned from my mistake and never again will I never trust a word Trick says. It sucks because I was ready to support the game again. I picked up Gunslinger because they put a nice Wildcat in the box so I figured lets throw them $10 for doing something nice. I am now wondering how long it will be until till they decide Wildcats and Wolfhounds need a crit mult cap..