Console concerns

Hey everyone,
I have been watching the game for a while. I'm really interested in it for the Xbox 360. i have a few concerns though. I think introducing this game at the end of the console cycle could be a serious reason that it doesn't do well. It may not even matter how good it is or not.

I have been trying to show it to as many people as I can and they seem interested but the main reason they won't buy it is the new consoles coming. I do understand how they feel. Nobody will want to spend money on a game that is long term mmo for consoles that are already being phased out. That limits the player base and sales, which usually spells disaster.

Now, I don't know if Trion has any plan but they have to realize this fact. I would love to see a way to play it on the new consoles but they won't be backward compatible. So unless they are working on a scalable engine that could have a major upgrade later, then it will seriously limit appeal.

I have played several games like that but it was on PC. I think it would be great to see that in the future. This would extend the game and make it easier to convince people to play it. It would also give them a chance to really up the game with what they could do with the new console hardware.

I just wanted to hear your thoughts. Not trying to be negative but it is a valid concern that I get from people when I try to convince them to buy it.

And please, before you say, "just buy it on PC" Realize that many people don't want to and you are limiting sales and a player base to one system.
Thanks

If people are unwilling to buy it because they are waiting for consoles that don't even have definite release dates then that's their decision. The reasoning just seems silly to me but I suppose some people would prefer to just wait for an indefinite length of time.

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Originally Posted by jombee69

Hey everyone,
I have been watching the game for a while. I'm really interested in it for the Xbox 360. i have a few concerns though. I think introducing this game at the end of the console cycle could be a serious reason that it doesn't do well. It may not even matter how good it is or not.

I have been trying to show it to as many people as I can and they seem interested but the main reason they won't buy it is the new consoles coming. I do understand how they feel. Nobody will want to spend money on a game that is long term mmo for consoles that are already being phased out. That limits the player base and sales, which usually spells disaster.

Now, I don't know if Trion has any plan but they have to realize this fact. I would love to see a way to play it on the new consoles but they won't be backward compatible. So unless they are working on a scalable engine that could have a major upgrade later, then it will seriously limit appeal.

I have played several games like that but it was on PC. I think it would be great to see that in the future. This would extend the game and make it easier to convince people to play it. It would also give them a chance to really up the game with what they could do with the new console hardware.

I just wanted to hear your thoughts. Not trying to be negative but it is a valid concern that I get from people when I try to convince them to buy it.

And please, before you say, "just buy it on PC" Realize that many people don't want to and you are limiting sales and a player base to one system.
Thanks

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i would like to think we have a better community here then just reply with "just buy it on pc", especially as they are valid concerns.

i do hope trion will enlighten this a little more as some people will be thinking about this.

however i would point out to them that consoles wont be out until the end of the year (if that early) so even still they would get much longer on this then the life span of other games.

not to mention given that this is being made in conjunction with a tv series (with the money there pumping into it) shows there planing on running it for many series yet. ie many years, so im sure they have this mind. maybe in 6 months new dlc for new consoles, so they can cover the cost of the port, but were not forced to buy a new game or the same game again. at least thats what i would hope.

as i said hopefully we will get word sooner rather then later but no rush

It really comes down to two things. Will the new consoles be backwards compatible. or will game sales warrant putting it on the new console. Trion shouldn't even be worrying about this at the moment because at earliest I believe the next consoles could come out is in holiday shopping time. By then both questions will be answered.

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Originally Posted by Kaoslion

It really comes down to two things. Will the new consoles be backwards compatible. or will game sales warrant putting it on the new console. Trion shouldn't even be worrying about this at the moment because at earliest I believe the next consoles could come out is in holiday shopping time. By then both questions will be answered.

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pretty much summed it up, if the new gen consoles are backwards compatible all your friends arguments are invalid, however on the flip side not buying a game just because your gonna wait and see what happens with next gen consoles that wont even release until late this year at the earliest and likely have only a few launch titles is a little ******ed in my opinion. personally i have it for PC although for either console it should be just as good (my preference for mouse/keyboard over controller), as far as making the game for next gen well if they are not backwards compatible then it would fall on trion seeing if it would be cost effective which is unlikely as most people who actually wanted to play it would have already bought it for the previous gen.

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Originally Posted by Sarcon

pretty much summed it up, if the new gen consoles are backwards compatible all your friends arguments are invalid, however on the flip side not buying a game just because your gonna wait and see what happens with next gen consoles that wont even release until late this year at the earliest and likely have only a few launch titles is a little ******ed in my opinion. personally i have it for PC although for either console it should be just as good (my preference for mouse/keyboard over controller), as far as making the game for next gen well if they are not backwards compatible then it would fall on trion seeing if it would be cost effective which is unlikely as most people who actually wanted to play it would have already bought it for the previous gen.

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i still hold new dlc would be the route to port. we get something new, they make a few quid to cover the transfer. its win win.

i think the PS4 will be launched b4 xmas, they def want to beat xbox this time around and not have to play catch up like last launch.

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Originally Posted by SteelPaladin

i think the PS4 will be launched b4 xmas, they def want to beat xbox this time around and not have to play catch up like last launch.

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yea i know the annoucements soon isnt it? ms have made no mention of when they plan to announce. so looks like sony is going to blink first

I keep hearing fall,but we will know soon as the rumours are heavy that both companies want to announce before E3 so there not over-shadowed by anything else.And i don't think either system will bother with BC this time round so i'm hoping Trion have a plan that there just not aloud to tell us about right now,like a digital client for the new systems that we can unlock for free with our game accounts maybe.

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Originally Posted by DJTrig

I keep hearing fall,but we will know soon as the rumours are heavy that both companies want to announce before E3 so there not over-shadowed by anything else.And i don't think either system will bother with BC this time round so i'm hoping Trion have a plan that there just not aloud to tell us about right now,like a digital client for the new systems that we can unlock for free with our game accounts maybe.

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free is always nice, but i think i would understand a small charge (help fund the cost of programming it). maybe withing something in return like credits or dlc.

i used to be a ps1 and ps2 fan, then i had to decide between 360 and ps3. I decided 360 and been happy, but im gonna be tempted to get a ps4, esp if MS waits longer then 6 months after sony to launch theirs.
Although it will set me back 500 bones im sure.

After this pre-order, I have no hope or interest in being able to afford a new console. Assuming xbox doesn't shut down the network for 360 (highly unlikely), I just don't care. That said, I hope the new consoles are both backwards compatible. This isn't the 90s. There's no excuse for pulling the "We don't want to be held back by our previous work" nonsense.

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Originally Posted by SteelPaladin

i used to be a ps1 and ps2 fan, then i had to decide between 360 and ps3. I decided 360 and been happy, but im gonna be tempted to get a ps4, esp if MS waits longer then 6 months after sony to launch theirs.
Although it will set me back 500 bones im sure.

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yea im under the same debate my self. but i have to wait to hear both sides before i pick. properly way up + and -

Any MMO that is on console will limit size of maps. Now this may change with new consoles. Its a shame to see it on consoles.

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Originally Posted by D351

After this pre-order, I have no hope or interest in being able to afford a new console. Assuming xbox doesn't shut down the network for 360 (highly unlikely), I just don't care. That said, I hope the new consoles are both backwards compatible. This isn't the 90s. There's no excuse for pulling the "We don't want to be held back by our previous work" nonsense.

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Sure there is. The greed factor. If they can use that to force the migration, I wouldn't put it past them to do it.

I doubt they'll shut down the network though. That same infrastructure will support whatever the next gen console is. Even when the game developers migrate to the new platform, people will still be playing their older games for several years yet. MS will still be making money from the subscriptions.

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Originally Posted by Nightrun

Any MMO that is on console will limit size of maps. Now this may change with new consoles. Its a shame to see it on consoles.

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That depends heavily on how it's programmed. Besides, if this were true, it'd also apply for the games lowest possible running specs on pc. Today's consoles are pretty much pcs with standardized components and a custom OS... basically any Apple computer.

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Originally Posted by Nightrun

Any MMO that is on console will limit size of maps. Now this may change with new consoles. Its a shame to see it on consoles.

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well imm pleased to let you know that will not be the case in defiance! they have mentioned 10,000's pur server. http://defiance.com/en/game/overview/what-is-defiance/

"
An Evolving Online World

Fight for survival in a constantly evolving environment with regular content updates and dynamic events. Play solo, or join tens of thousands of simultaneous live players in a futuristic San Francisco Bay Area that’s a fully-realized open world. You’ve never imagined a 3rd-person shooter this huge. "

same for console as much as pc. thing is the only thing consoles have to handle is what is within there draw distance, given the size of the maps (huge) that wont actually be so many it shouldnt handle easy.

Everybody needs to just chill out bcuz next gen wont be coming out no time soon this year if u read articles they've said 2014 at the earliest, and if ppl are worried about that and its the reason they dont wanna buy defiance then oh well tell em to go play something else its stupid to even be thinking about it if you like the way it looks buy it, all so for next gen u could just as easily buy the game off of the stores cuz im sure they will have digital realese for it

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Originally Posted by Dead_Phoenix

yea i know the annoucements soon isnt it? ms have made no mention of when they plan to announce. so looks like sony is going to blink first

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Or they are trying to make the other blink first. It is part of the reason we don't have the cross platform. I wonder if we did a petition to the companies would they considered the cross platform again? Of course it might have to wait till after launch.

In the meantime, i'd strongly recommend the PC over the consoles simply because people are fickle. You would have the strongest chance of a decent player base with the PC version. PC players TEND to be more forgiving then those who primarily play consoles who tend to be a little more critical. At least that is my impression based on reviews of games on the net but that is only my opinion and probably a little biased (I only have a PC).

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Originally Posted by Terra

Or they are trying to make the other blink first. It is part of the reason we don't have the cross platform. I wonder if we did a petition to the companies would they considered the cross platform again? Of course it might have to wait till after launch.

In the meantime, i'd strongly recommend the PC over the consoles simply because people are fickle. You would have the strongest chance of a decent player base with the PC version. PC players TEND to be more forgiving then those who primarily play consoles who tend to be a little more critical. At least that is my impression based on reviews of games on the net but that is only my opinion and probably a little biased (I only have a PC).

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http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...ce-Multiplayer <-- someone trying to build a petition so spread the word.

also im still having the debate of do i get defiance on pc or ps3. if i go ps3 it will be because enough of my friends wil play it and stick with it. however there fickle when it comes to games. (if you are reading this then im sorry but you are :) ). if there not planning to i might have to go pc, as you so rightly put it, has advantages

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Originally Posted by Terra

Or they are trying to make the other blink first. It is part of the reason we don't have the cross platform. I wonder if we did a petition to the companies would they considered the cross platform again? Of course it might have to wait till after launch.

In the meantime, i'd strongly recommend the PC over the consoles simply because people are fickle. You would have the strongest chance of a decent player base with the PC version. PC players TEND to be more forgiving then those who primarily play consoles who tend to be a little more critical. At least that is my impression based on reviews of games on the net but that is only my opinion and probably a little biased (I only have a PC).

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Then you are probably not aware of how irritating and young most console players are on voice chat... I'm going with console, but I expect to be putting up with a lot of rude 10 y/os.

Sony has set a conference for February 20 in which the PS4 is likely to be unveiled. From what I've read Microsoft will likely have their own before E3. As for when these consoles release...it will be in the Fall, either this year or 2014. Frankly I hope its the latter. I'm still enjoying playing games on my 360 and I still have 15 games on my shelf I haven't even popped in.

Have they released the size of the maps yet? 10,000 per server doesnt mean there isnt 2000 instances. Not knocking the game, just see a lot of information given by the community that seems more out of hope then fact. Huge isn't a size, its an opinion.

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Originally Posted by Nightrun

Have they released the size of the maps yet? 10,000 per server doesnt mean there isnt 2000 instances. Not knocking the game, just see a lot of information given by the community that seems more out of hope then fact. Huge isn't a size, its an opinion.

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This really isn't the place to post that but most info is under NDA and hasn't been allowed to be spoken about. only what they tell us.

not only that but a new console coming out doesnt mean the end of the previous one immediately.. the previous console still lives and gets GOOD games for at least 2 years after its new counterpart launches and in some cases the previous console outsells the new one for a year after it launches... a) the economy sucks so not too many ppl will have the money to buy a new console day 1 and b) old consoles are still good.. if a game is good youll keep playing it regardless of what its on...

for example the Wii U came out in November... 3 months later how many ppl are still playing Wiis? and Wii still has a few good games coming out for it... XSEED for example just announced a US release of Pandora's Tower for Sept 20013.. a full 10 months after the Wii U has been out.

Heck I played my PS2 up until 2010... a full 4 years after PS3 had been out.. mainly because of final fantasy XIV.... so yeah ppl releasing games on a "old" console when its predecessor is a few months away its certain doom.

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Originally Posted by DuoMaxwell007

Wii still has a few good games coming out for it...

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They make games for the Wii?

Just because they announce something doesn't mean it's right around the corner. When a system is making money they don't want to stop that or at least I hope not lol.

Wii U is doing horrible I seriously think Nintendo might just go purely Hand held if it keeps up.

Is there even confirmed next gen console games yet? GTA 5, Elder Scroll Online, Battlefield 4, next CoD at least all arent. As far I know Diablo 3 is gonna be for current consoles as well. Not to mention Half Life 3 on Valve's Steam Box is gonna be megahit. Could be just me but next gen consoles are off for a rough start.

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Originally Posted by Fiancee

Is there even confirmed next gen console games yet? GTA 5, Elder Scroll Online, Battlefield 4, next CoD at least all arent. As far I know Diablo 3 is gonna be for current consoles as well. Not to mention Half Life 3 on Valve's Steam Box is gonna be megahit. Could be just me but next gen consoles are off for a rough start.

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no confirmations yet, but we know some are indevelopments. COD last year looked for someone who "wants to work with next gen tech"

I really doubt developers wanna gamble so big as they dont even know how many units next gen consoles sell. So lets say big games coming later this year means current consoles just sells more.

Trion World's problem is marketting, man good trailer should get 2 mill youtube hits, they suck so bad. WTF. Maybe they should use Blur Studio like EA/Bethesda does. Also I think SOE used as well with Planetside 2.

I'm assuming at least one person has brought it up, but if not: When FFXI came out on the PS2 and PC, it was later rereleased for the 360. So for Defiance, I would assume the game is either backward compatible on the new consoles, or it is rereleased some time after the new consoles launch like FFXI was. In either case, I don't see it being too difficult to continue support for the game on the new consoles (whenever they do come out).

There's always the chance SyFy channel gets stupid and cancels the show after one season....that could easily kill the game for some people.

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Originally Posted by Xev of B3K

There's always the chance SyFy channel gets stupid and cancels the show after one season....that could easily kill the game for some people.

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except for the fact that it was already said that the game is made/is capable of living without the show i f it ever came down to that.

What i have read is Doom 4 i next systm and Darksouls 2 is comeing out on both gen Diablo 3 wont come out unitl after add on but thats just rumor about diablo but they pretty much stopped makeing stuff for the first xbox like 3 months after 360 came out

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Originally Posted by Dra Fiend

What i have read is Doom 4 i next systm and Darksouls 2 is comeing out on both gen Diablo 3 wont come out unitl after add on but thats just rumor about diablo but they pretty much stopped makeing stuff for the first xbox like 3 months after 360 came out

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I think the regular xbox was shut down quicker than most consoles for a few good reasons... It was kind of crappy and expenssive. I have some great old xbox games, but I didn't bother getting them until I found out they'd work on 360. When it was current gen, I didn't bother. Speaking of which, Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth has a special place in my dark corrupted heart.

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Originally Posted by Dra Fiend

What i have read is Doom 4 i next systm and Darksouls 2 is comeing out on both gen Diablo 3 wont come out unitl after add on but thats just rumor about diablo but they pretty much stopped makeing stuff for the first xbox like 3 months after 360 came out

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umm dark souls 2 has been confirmed as a ps3 and 360 title so unless its comes out for ps3, 360 AND the next gen consoles as well.. but it snot next gen only

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Originally Posted by DuoMaxwell007

umm dark souls 2 has been confirmed as a ps3 and 360 title so unless its comes out for ps3, 360 AND the next gen consoles as well.. but it snot next gen only

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you miss read i said dark souls 2 is comeing out on both gens meaning this one and the next

I was just talking to my friend about what we think will happen to games that come out on xbox 360 this year because of the next console is supposed to come out probally by the end of the year. Most games seem to only last a year but Defiance can and should be around for many years. So it does make me wonder what they will end up doing but we probally wont know till a new console is offically announced.

Just going to leave this here and probably through out the other threads concerning backwards compatibility for Xbox.
http://nukezilla.com/2012/05/02/excl...year-lifespan/