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there is always the captchas but those can be cracked. google was to enact a new simple question and answer thing to stop bots. i'm sure there is an easier way than to enact moderators.

Meh, I'd Moderate for free. I've been a Mod and Admin on plenty large Forum sites over the years. Those that use vBulletin and phpbb/phpbb2/phpbb3. Yeah, it's not easy. But it's not really difficult either. You're handed rules from the Forum owners, you enforce them with common sense.

By the way, "Volunteer" means "free". No if's and's or but's about it.

ETA: I also Admin a 20,000+ member group over on Facebook which is very volatile at times. I go on spam patrol daily there. And our Group is very clean of spam.

There will definitely not be any community moderators, there is a moderation team that is separate from the community team. There are conflicts of interests and an ability to abuse or at least cause conflict if there is a face to moderation especially from players.

Tougher restrictions on posting is most likely the answer, such as requiring 200 EGO Rating (as on the Rift forums).

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There will definitely not be any community moderators, there is a moderation team that is separate from the community team. There are conflicts of interests and an ability to abuse or at least cause conflict if there is a face to moderation especially from players.

Tougher restrictions on posting is most likely the answer, such as requiring 200 EGO Rating (as on the Rift forums).

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Nonsense. Thousands of other gaming, military, politics and other forums manage very well every day with named moderators without hitting the problems you have invented. Why do you think Defiance should behave any differently to the rest of the net?

The ideas on this thread are sensible and only need some tweaking to become a workable plan. At least no idiot has yet (to pick a random hairbrained idea) suggested that we stop new players and those who are thinking about playing from asking questions on here. Oh.

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Nonsense. Thousands of other gaming, military, politics and other forums manage very well every day with named moderators without hitting the problems you have invented. Why do you think Defiance should behave any differently to the rest of the net?

The ideas on this thread are sensible and only need some tweaking to become a workable plan. At least no idiot has yet (to pick a random hairbrained idea) suggested that we stop new players and those who are thinking about playing from asking questions on here. Oh.

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Agreed.
As a note:
Mods in WoT get paid.
Not a lot; but they get paid.
And they should. Because dealing with even a handful of childish, rude trolls is...taxing.
They are farmed from the community.

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Well, some of us don't pvp much, we could do it :P

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its not just pvp . some1 getting bet for high scores in coop maps , at arkfalls , some1 b got a mod from some1 and another person is not happy . or some got to a person 1st to buy a oj , people hold grudges in games . a bunch of sore losers

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its not just pvp . some1 getting bet for high scores in coop maps , at arkfalls , some1 b got a mod from some1 and another person is not happy . or some got to a person 1st to buy a oj , people hold grudges in games . a bunch of sore losers

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You also forgot major clans getting mad at people (absolutely sucks) and having mods in that clan banning that person.

I still don't get why it works on thousands of other forums but a couple of people cling to the idea that Defiance is somehow unique and it won't here (and only on here).

Anyway, thought I'd bump this through 8 (get that, 8!) pages of spam. Which rather proves the point.

It's the morning of Christmas Eve and I just checked in...8 frakkin' pages of spam posts. Mods, what in the three hells are you doing???

To quote the immortal Han Solo: "I don't care what you smell, just get in there!"

Seriously though...your forums have been massively hijacked...you got some work to do...

Defiance isn't unique. Cliques devlop and the same rule are not applied impartially. It's the same reason jurors aren't supposed to have knowledge of a case. People aren't truly capable of remaining neutral.

i beg to differ a little on that broken.

a person could stay neutral if thy have no entrests in doing anything else but follow the COC bylines that are allready set in stone for this forum.

i dont know how many times i go though posts and find COC violations let alone how long i put up with the spam on this forum.

its not hard to adhier to the strict COC trion set down for the Defiance forums.

and its not a hard matter of removeing someone that has abused there power from takeing care of it. mods for forum modaration on any game forum have to follow a set guidline and rules them selfs. if thy dont a few things can happen the lowest punishments being removel from the posision. the highest being a permanet IP ban and account wide ban from all access to the forums and game.

so i dont feel anyone i listed would go helfcocked off on the forum users with something like that hanging over there head.

its also cheeper to have the community police them selfs then it is o higher someone to stricktly police it for the company. it saves money in the long run when you pay the forum staff in in game currancy . or pay them in payshop currancy.

i hate to say it but even PTSers from time to time get rewards for what we do on PTS. it could be a lockbox or even a title that we get. (( iv even gone as far as finding out if thy can make all the PTSers a specel armour just for them, was told it would take a long time to do. but the person that i talked to was more then willing if thy could do it in a matter of days to of done it. becuse thy even felt it would be something nice for the PTSers back on point ))

the people that would abuse the power are the people that would go outside of the lines and rage at everyone. at the most all a person that moniters this forum needs is access to a few of the forums tools

1: delete threat tool.

2: block user from posting for 24 hour tool

3: beable to flag a post for other higher ups to take care of if you cant.

4: be able to contact " devs " at a moments notice if things are to out of hand that thy cant take care of it.

5: warning system. for lesser COC offenders.


its simple stuff like this that can be emplamented for a user to beable to do if there given the posistion.

id also put an age restriction on who thy could pick and from what age group. for sure you dont want someone under the age of atleast 18 runing things in a forum. but at the same time you might want someone older and more meture , id put the age range for the proper and more meture people between 26 and 45 (( as old as i can think of going even though i know a few people in there 50s on here )) u also want people that arnt out to hurt the community but are out to help it

people like my self. batman, fuzzy, estew , even reb (( even if he had his bad past ))

anyway im rambeling now.

the idea was made with truth thought put into it. i didnt throw it out there for no reason. its not hard. to emplment. and it works great on alot of forums out there. it also lowers the stress on the main teams that run the forums and game. by giveing a small hand full of players that know the game and the people and the community a chance to help out more then thy allready do.

I didn't mean any offense, Jaded. I wasn't thinking about list that had been offered of possible moderators.

Honestly I have no dog in this "fight". I haven't been here near long enough to really know anyone or say how well, or poorly, they may do anything, much less Moderate. Having said that I will add this. From what I've seen of the candidates you listed, I am willing to admit that they should be be given a chance to prove themselves in this venture.

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I didn't mean any offense, Jaded. I wasn't thinking about list that had been offered of possible moderators.

Honestly I have no dog in this "fight". I haven't been here near long enough to really know anyone or say how well, or poorly, they may do anything, much less Moderate. Having said that I will add this. From what I've seen of the candidates you listed, I am willing to admit that they should be be given a chance to prove themselves in this venture.

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even you would make a good mod to be truthful. i dont have the time on the forum most do but u have been farly nutrul about alot of standings on the forum.

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There will definitely not be any community moderators.....

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This.

Is one of the biggest problems with this whole situation. When you don't trust your consumer(s), you fail. Truth.

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Honestly I have no dog in this "fight".

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Nice Michael Vick reference.

when did the spam start? i was just here i think 2 days ago. been here for months though and never seen any spam. man this is crazy haha

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when did the spam start? i was just here i think 2 days ago. been here for months though and never seen any spam. man this is crazy haha

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Started around when Destiny came out. Normally only appeared from around 2:00am pst until 7:am Pst when a mod would get online and terminate with prejudice, and only a couple times a week. Then around Thanksgiving it started appearing almost everyday. About 2 weeks ago it became a daily think and now I have seen it start as early as 7:00pm pst. It also went from 2 spammer names to between 3 and 10 each night. They have also started copy/pasting forumite's threads, as well as developer info.

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even you would make a good mod to be truthful. i dont have the time on the forum most do but u have been farly nutrul about alot of standings on the forum.

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Though I appreciate the thought. I'm an old, cranky, curmudgion, who tends to see the world in black and white, with very few shades of gray. It is either allowed by rules (laws, regulations, verbal agreements), or it is not. Definately not Mod material.

Having thought on this topic some more, I believe forum side moderation could work. Only one Mod, Trion side, would have the ability to ban members, or even delete posts. The rest, being forum member, would merely need to act as police. They would have limited powers to "detain", as in locking a thread, but would have to push anything more severe up the chain to the Trion Mod.

Possibly even could allow one senior forum Mod instead of Trion, with occasional Trion supervision/auditing, to ensure everything is going well.

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Though I appreciate the thought. I'm an old, cranky, curmudgion, who tends to see the world in black and white, with very few shades of gray.

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Well put on your glasses then you ol fart and maybe you can see better :D.

Why is this thread still going?

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Why is this thread still going?

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becuse we want it to ! and becuse we are still haveing a descusion here.

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Well put on your glasses then you ol fart and maybe you can see better :D.

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Hey, respect your elders. Kids these days. :p

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becuse we want it to ! and becuse we are still haveing a descusion here.

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Besides, it beats reading all the "Game is broken, this event *****, I demand satisfaction!!!" threads everywhere.

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Hey, respect your elders. Kids these days. :p



Besides, it beats reading all the "Game is broken, this event *****, I demand satisfaction!!!" threads everywhere.

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LOL :P

You are right i am very tired of all the negative posts on here. We need more fun threads ;)

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There will definitely not be any community moderators, there is a moderation team that is separate from the community team. There are conflicts of interests and an ability to abuse or at least cause conflict if there is a face to moderation especially from players.

Tougher restrictions on posting is most likely the answer, such as requiring 200 EGO Rating (as on the Rift forums).

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Exactly

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Originally Posted by Lrrzg

Nonsense. Thousands of other gaming, military, politics and other forums manage very well every day with named moderators without hitting the problems you have invented. Why do you think Defiance should behave any differently to the rest of the net?

The ideas on this thread are sensible and only need some tweaking to become a workable plan. At least no idiot has yet (to pick a random hairbrained idea) suggested that we stop new players and those who are thinking about playing from asking questions on here. Oh.

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Any one place you claim has good moderation via local poster volunteers I can counter with places were it became a nightmare for people.

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You also forgot major clans getting mad at people (absolutely sucks) and having mods in that clan banning that person.

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Thats not the worst of it, in theory these "people" could go further into the company, they may or may-not then be in a position the get your personal information, credit cards, full name, address, other **** you don't want your enemies getting there hands on.

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mmm nothing in life is free in my book. theres allways a hook. or a catch to it some where :) doing it for 100 bits a week is just a way to compansate a player that pritty much dosent have a way to get bits them self.

and iv also seen other games do this for there forums.

thy higher on a few of the players as admins for eather there forums or for in the game its self and pay them in in game cash for there time working for them. (( 100 bits a week is cheeepr then some companys pay there people ))

but as for the people worryed about old grudges. and such. thats why you pick from a set pool of indifrent people. i dont care about PVP so i wouldnt be rage banning every one that PVPS and kills me. (( i would report a few of the hackers that i have started to notice )) but beond that the hole point of haveing someone in the community do it is also to open up more ties with the community its self.

i can think of 5 people off the top of my head that would do great for the job.

estew (( hope i spelled it right ))

fuzzy (( she would be fair and just ))

Reb (( he may of hade his problums with trion in the past but he could so it ))

bats (( dont feel like spelling out his whole name )) (( he would be just about things ))

my self (( i just want to see the spaming stoped ))

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No. The only person I even saw on this list I would consider excepting being a mod would be Estew, I have no idea who the hell fuzzy or Reb is.

Your not biased eh?

You insulted every person ever to use a Crimefighter

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...48#post1649348

because you insulted enough of us the only thing left of this attack of yours is in a quote someone replied too.

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...21#post1649321

You really pissed off Brindled, Ryker Vorton, and I as well as people who don't post here... yet with your cyberslander towards anyone using a Crimefighter.

For someone who lecture people about the COC you break it a lot, in fact you break it every day you login even if you don't post anything.

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Any one place you claim has good moderation via local poster volunteers I can counter with places were it became a nightmare for people.




Thats not the worst of it, in theory these "people" could go further into the company, they may or may-not then be in a position the get your personal information, credit cards, full name, address, other **** you don't want your enemies getting there hands on.




No. The only person I even saw on this list I would consider excepting being a mod would be Estew, I have no idea who the hell fuzzy or Reb is.

Your not biased eh?

You insulted every person ever to use a Crimefighter

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...48#post1649348

because you insulted enough of us the only thing left of this attack of yours is in a quote someone replied too.

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...21#post1649321

You really pissed off Brindled, Ryker Vorton, and I as well as people who don't post here... yet with your cyberslander towards anyone using a Crimefighter.

For someone who lecture people about the COC you break it a lot, in fact you break it every day you login even if you don't post anything.

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I would not make a good mod at all. I get angry too easily and have extremely biased opinions about a lot of the games aspects.

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I would not make a good mod at all. I get angry too easily and have extremely biased opinions about a lot of the games aspects.

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i think you would. over the last year we have been on this forum back and forthing with one another and many others. i have watched you grow as a person and also see how you have come to not hate the devs as much as others.

to you you might not make a good mod . but to alot of the people on this forum that know you and respect you. i have a feeling thy would aprove of you being one.


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http://www.quickmeme.com/img/5b/5bca...b921acebbe.jpg

The fact that one forumite has pissed off another forumite has no bearing on Moderator ability or their ability to remain neutral. As a forum user no one has the requirement to keep their opinions to themselves. Even as a Mod they would piss someone off with their decisions. Hell ever met anyone in charge of anything that didn't piss someone off?

As for people gaining access to personal info I don't even see that as a remote possiblity. Just for the sake of argument, let's say they could. It wouldn't be a drop in the bucket to the number of times your PII has been released into the wild by people hacking data bases. Not to mention, that info is already sitting in Trion's DB. If Trion couldn't control company side access to it, it is too late already.

Edit* Reb, though I wasn't here before your issue, I have seen nothing since your return that would preclude you from being a Mod. You seem level headed enough in your posts.

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LOL :P

You are right i am very tired of all the negative posts on here. We need more fun threads ;)

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I keep trying but nobody seems interested in fun threads to post on them to keep them on the top, yet it seems the negative ones keep going upwards in the New Posts !:(

Hey, I could be moderator! But then I would end up making everybody angry because I would be such a Smart Alec in my responses! I prefer to be beloved by everyone, so never mind! :D

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I keep trying but nobody seems interested in fun threads to post on them to keep them on the top, yet it seems the negative ones keep going upwards in the New Posts !:(

Hey, I could be moderator! But then I would end up making everybody angry because I would be such a Smart Alec in my responses! I prefer to be beloved by everyone, so never mind! :D

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no one could hate you belle. but then agine . being a mod is not allways about who likes you or who hates you its about how you do the job. and i think you could do it .

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The fact that one forumite has pissed off another forumite has no bearing on Moderator ability or their ability to remain neutral. As a forum user no one has the requirement to keep their opinions to themselves. Even as a Mod they would piss someone off with their decisions. Hell ever met anyone in charge of anything that didn't piss someone off?

As for people gaining access to personal info I don't even see that as a remote possiblity. Just for the sake of argument, let's say they could. It wouldn't be a drop in the bucket to the number of times your PII has been released into the wild by people hacking data bases. Not to mention, that info is already sitting in Trion's DB. If Trion couldn't control company side access to it, it is too late already.

Edit* Reb, though I wasn't here before your issue, I have seen nothing since your return that would preclude you from being a Mod. You seem level headed enough in your posts.

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trion could limit the ammount of access to infermation that a person gets working for them. its not to hard. and if your a mod for a forum. you shouldnt nore wouldnt need access to peoples personel infermation . the only thing you would need access to is the block button or a report button.

There will never be player community moderators.


Period


End of story.

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There will never be player community moderators.


Period


End of story.

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dosent stop people from dreaming or talking about it :P

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I keep trying but nobody seems interested in fun threads to post on them to keep them on the top, yet it seems the negative ones keep going upwards in the New Posts !:(

Hey, I could be moderator! But then I would end up making everybody angry because I would be such a Smart Alec in my responses! I prefer to be beloved by everyone, so never mind! :D

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Too true Belle. As I am at least partly guilty of failing to promote positive theads, I shall now embark on an expedition to locate one through the swamp of fetid angry post.

If I do not return in an hour, merely know that I did this not for honor or glory, but for all those that find joy in that which is...Defiance.

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Too true Belle. As I am at least partly guilty of failing to promote positive theads, I shall now embark on an expedition to locate one through the swamp of fetid angry post.

If I do not return in an hour, merely know that I did this not for honor or glory, but for all those that find joy in that which is...Defiance.

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good luck and gods speed. :: goes to find a barrial plot for the soon to be gone broken shield ::

Cough..cough..weez..thud. It's horrible back there. I won't go back. You can't make me go back!!

OK, seriously just got tired of looking. It really is kind of depressing all the anger in this forum.

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good luck and gods speed. :: goes to find a barrial plot for the soon to be gone broken shield ::

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I'm actually quite touched that you would take the time to bury my sorry carcass.

Maybe we could just start a general topic thread over in the off topic section. Then again it would probably just drown in all the tears of anger and sadness.

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There will never be player community moderators.


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Never is a very long time. A lot can happen between now and then. ;)

Though it was before my time I remember reading a comment by a certain Trion member stating that certain things would never happen. Then they did. So anything is possible. Just gotta have faith.

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Cough..cough..weez..thud. It's horrible back there. I won't go back. You can't make me go back!!

OK, seriously just got tired of looking. It really is kind of depressing all the anger in this forum.



I'm actually quite touched that you would take the time to bury my sorry carcass.

Maybe we could just start a general topic thread over in the off topic section. Then again it would probably just drown in all the tears of anger and sadness.

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well it would be picked over by the time it got in the ground. good weapons and armour are hard to come by out there in the fields so. hehe but i would still bury you and probaly say something touching and then go down to the crater toast that you are gone and tell funny storys of how we met and how you died.

but then agine. id do that for anyone i consider a friend :D even poor belle there :D

...even poor Belle there!?!?!?! Huh! :confused:

Anyhow, all my threads are positive... I think except one! :cool:

Anywho, watch out for the hellbugs if u bury anybody - they are always feeding bodies to the hellbugs in the Defiance TV series, gear and all! :D

OMG! My latest positive thread - the FCN bulletin on the Solstice Events - is on page 5! I'm so depressed when I look at ALL the negative threads complained or fighting originally posted at the same time that are on page 1! :(

Back on topic, I don't think a moderator can change human nature's proclivity for negative and destructive tirades! :)

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I keep trying but nobody seems interested in fun threads to post on them to keep them on the top, yet it seems the negative ones keep going upwards in the New Posts !:(

Hey, I could be moderator! But then I would end up making everybody angry because I would be such a Smart Alec in my responses! I prefer to be beloved by everyone, so never mind! :D

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Well there have been one or two, i know one person started a thread on the positive side of the solstice event. I know cause i posted in it a couple times and when i can't find a positive thread to post in i try to bring a positive out look to the bad ones. Course since much of my positive contributions are in the form of sarcasm most people just ignore them. sigh i'm just misunderstood much of the time. Oh well no one said i had to be serious about everything :D. The recent spam has not helped pushing everything back 3 pages every morning. Everything gets buried.

Oh and i love reading your stuff Belle so keep right one doing it. You are an awesome writer.

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Originally Posted by brokenshield

Never is a very long time. A lot can happen between now and then. ;)

Though it was before my time I remember reading a comment by a certain Trion member stating that certain things would never happen. Then they did. So anything is possible. Just gotta have faith.

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I'll stick with my answer.