We need official warmaster clans.

I'm sure you can figure out what this is about. The warmaster has been destroying us nonstop as of late. (Not including that short time with the scaling glitch) We need clans dedicated to taking down the warmaster. Now I'm not talking about clans that do the warmaster along with other events. These clans will stick strictly to the warmaster and helping new players learn to fight him. I'm sure many of you reading this will think this is stupid but we would need an official clan on each server hosted by an experienced player. I can handle the PS3 NA server. If this goes into effect we would need to contact and communicate eachother often. If you have comments or suggestions or are an experienced player that would like to train the new guys leave a reply below.

I think that's actually a great idea.

In PC/NA my best WM experience always been with Cronus, both when i was a clan member as when i been there as a guest

I have of course heard of Cronus but I am hoping for clans that specialize in the warmaster not just do them on occasion.

Why would anyone join a clan that only does one thing? Why can't it be a clan that does that thing in addition to other things?

If this game were like ESO where you can be in five guilds at once, sure, but you're gonna have big problems attracting and retaining enough active, skilled players to make a WM-only clan--within the clan structure provided by the game--viable.

It obviously isn't going to be warmaster nonstop but the majority of the time will be spent fighting him and training new people to fight him so when people go up against him they are not just spamming his chest with crimefighters thinking they are helping.

When I joined Cronus there weren't any holiday events going on. We did warmaster runs more than 5 times a night, very very quickly. Wouldn't it get a little boring if thats the only thing you were doing?

If you saw my last we won' be fighting him nonstop and this is more about training new people to fight him. I expect people to be coming and going all the time if this dream of mine comes to fruition.

we organize raiding party's on xbox about every other weekend when events arent running. problem with this is its always in the mornings and all it takes is killing him 5 times in a row before the majority of ppl that know what they are doing lose interest and go find something else to do. killing the monkey is no longer fun on xbox and the payout sucks so .....why bother

There are many people who want to learn how to fight the warmaster and actually win. And if trained properly these people will be able to fight the warmaster and beat him thus bringing people back to the warmaster. Why fight when the rewards suck? Because he's the hardest boss in the game and many enjoy the challenge.

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Originally Posted by Chris Robet

I'm sure you can figure out what this is about. The warmaster has been destroying us nonstop as of late. (Not including that short time with the scaling glitch) We need clans dedicated to taking down the warmaster. Now I'm not talking about clans that do the warmaster along with other events. These clans will stick strictly to the warmaster and helping new players learn to fight him. I'm sure many of you reading this will think this is stupid but we would need an official clan on each server hosted by an experienced player. I can handle the PS3 NA server. If this goes into effect we would need to contact and communicate eachother often. If you have comments or suggestions or are an experienced player that would like to train the new guys leave a reply below.

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who will train these monkey spanking warriors & will they be trained to spank properly?

I'm going to train the guys on PS3 NA. And I'm hoping other skilled people on each server will step forward to train the new guys. I have studied the warmaster for hours and I hope to communicate with the other people leading the other clans to figure out the best way to train them. This is all just hypothetical unless I can get support from others.

Been on many WM runs with many from Cronus, Shoot War master in Back, my clan Deimon, and others. Almost all have been successful. The ones that have not have been due to newbies that do not know the strategy and do not listen when told what to do and trolls that intentionally like to cause issues by refusing to listen.
Someone can learn how to do it properly in any clan that reads understands and follows the strategy guides on the forums and listens in chat when told what to do once in the WM room.
A clan dedicated to one thing is a silly Idea clans do many things from leveling to special events to WM runs.
To limit yourself is a sure way to have the clan die out due to lack of interest.
Lack of reward from the WM is also a big issue and needs to be fixed by Trion the greatest challenge should have the greatest reward yet the holiday events have better rewards.

From reading console posts, I feel for the console players. I think PCNA is fine the way it is for Warmaster.

As a leader of Cronus, we will take anyone with us as long as you are not rude or obnoxious and can read the spam of directions we blast into chat. We train new people almost every week as we are almost constantly recruiting. http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...s-Recruitement but we also have a lot of non clan people that our members invite to our kills.

If you ever feel like downloading it on PC even just to kill WM a few times, feel free to send me a message and I will get you in one of our kills.

Many people do not read strategy guides on the forums and with the chat box glitch forcing it up every time something is posted many don't read chat. While being in a clan will train them quicker than doing the occasional run with a large clan.

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Originally Posted by Chris Robet

I'm going to train the guys on PS3 NA. And I'm hoping other skilled people on each server will step forward to train the new guys. I have studied the warmaster for hours and I hope to communicate with the other people leading the other clans to figure out the best way to train them. This is all just hypothetical unless I can get support from others.

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I applaud your enthusiasm sir! once the xmas event is over, I'm sure people will want to fight wm try this formula: Phoenix Guard + Insomniac Hunters + Passport2Hell = dead monkey

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Originally Posted by Chris Robet

Many people do not read strategy guides on the forums and with the chat box glitch forcing it up every time something is posted many don't read chat. While being in a clan will train them quicker than doing the occasional run with a large clan.

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Well if they do not read guides if they also ignore chat how in heck will anyone train them?
Even in a guild if they chose not to learn they never will.
Until the ability to have private runs happens this will not change.

Not everyone wants to join these large clans and there are many trollers in all the largest clans so I don't trust those clans as far as I can throw them. Nothing against the people in them that don't troll.

I'm down to help fight the monkey. A special clan for that porpoise sounds great to me. I'm in.

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Originally Posted by Chris Robet

Not everyone wants to join these large clans and there are many trollers in all the largest clans so I don't trust those clans as far as I can throw them. Nothing against the people in them that don't troll.

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you don't have to join a large clan to organize a fight with them & you will find good & bad people in all sizes of clans - besides how much trust is involved in a wm fight? we're not exchanging credit info

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Originally Posted by TASHINKA

I applaud your enthusiasm sir! once the xmas event is over, I'm sure people will want to fight wm try this formula: Phoenix Guard + Insomniac Hunters + Passport2Hell = dead monkey

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Phoenix Guard is full of trolls.

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Originally Posted by TASHINKA

you don't have to join a large clan to organize a fight with them

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That's exactly what I'm doing though making a clan to organize and teach people to fight them.

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Originally Posted by TASHINKA

besides how much trust is involved in a wm fight?

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I'm going to let you think about that one.

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Originally Posted by Skape

From reading console posts, I feel for the console players. I think PCNA is fine the way it is for Warmaster.

As a leader of Cronus, we will take anyone with us as long as you are not rude or obnoxious and can read the spam of directions we blast into chat. We train new people almost every week as we are almost constantly recruiting. http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...s-Recruitement but we also have a lot of non clan people that our members invite to our kills.

If you ever feel like downloading it on PC even just to kill WM a few times, feel free to send me a message and I will get you in one of our kills.

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I appreciate the offer but I use a mac (God help me) so that's not going to happen anytime soon.

damn when I was in passport we always killed the monkey every single time we had other clans in there as well but there was never a time we didn't kill him. Well maybe one or two times out of a hundred but you know.

You said when you were in Passport, how long ago was that?

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Originally Posted by Chris Robet

You said when you were in Passport, how long ago was that?

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If you're wondering why i'm asking it's because when free to play cam to be alot of trollers came to the clan. I'm not bashing the clan or anything but the mix of new guys and trollers is what makes the warmaster unwinable.

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You said when you were in Passport, how long ago was that?

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Bout 6 months ago. Best decision I ever made leaving there.

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Originally Posted by Chris Robet

If you're wondering why i'm asking it's because when free to play cam to be alot of trollers came to the clan. I'm not bashing the clan or anything but the mix of new guys and trollers is what makes the warmaster unwinable.

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There were lots of trolls then too. Ppl would pm me saying don't trust so n so and id always defend my clsnmates. Turns out the pmers had my back. Ppl would always talk crap about the clan leader who I really knew nothing about. Turns out they were right too

Anyways this thread has gotten off topic are there any experienced players on servers other than PS3 NA that would willing to take over recruiting and training on that server. Also it would be nice to have officers for PS3 NA that would help teach. And any comments on the idea of this are welcome. If there is not enough support for this idea I'm just chucking it in the trash,

My current loadout is from the original wm post. I know thstd probably crap now. But I would still love to help when if I can

I'd appreciate any help. I'm going to need all the help I can get if I am to get this idea off the drawing board.

Me and an old clannie were going to try n start a noob clan where basically we would teach them the basics n then let then join other clan's fully prepped but then thought " who the fvck are we?" Lol. Maybe.

I've seen you guys around you seem like a good clan.

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Originally Posted by Wilhelm Keitel

Well if they do not read guides if they also ignore chat how in heck will anyone train them?
Even in a guild if they chose not to learn they never will.
Until the ability to have private runs happens this will not change.

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I agree. Those who want to learn will learn fast, and don't even need a clan to do so. All they gotta do is pay attention to the in-game chat. Something more than half the people don't do apparently. Because they fill the room with their clueless ignorance every time. Until we can lock them out of it for good with private instances. There is no way to make them useful until they decide to communicate.

Until the rewards are fixed, I don't see a lot of vets willing to go back.

I can earn more keys and forge doing just about any other major event in the game in less time.

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Originally Posted by konstantinov

Phoenix Guard is full of trolls.

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Too damned funny. I loved my time with the Guard!

When I was with Prime, we used to down the monkey several times a night. When the rewards were nerfed to virtually nothing, we quit participating. I understand the whole "he's the biggest challenge in game yadda yadda. But, with the introduction of forge, the WM doesn't meet the needs for most players that need forge.

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Originally Posted by Tura Satana

I agree. Those who want to learn will learn fast, and don't even need a clan to do so. All they gotta do is pay attention to the in-game chat. Something more than half the people don't do apparently. Because they fill the room with their clueless ignorance every time. Until we can lock them out of it for good with private instances. There is no way to make them useful until they decide to communicate.

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Not many people actually bother to post what to do anymore, nine times out of ten it is a troller telling everyone to use bmg's or detonators.

I quit posting what to do/use in the wm fight. I'd usually get told "shut up old fart" and other bs. I did feel like that old guy saying "when I used to......" Good times.

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Originally Posted by Burned In Effigy

I quit posting what to do/use in the wm fight. I'd usually get told "shut up old fart" and other bs. I did feel like that old guy saying "when I used to......" Good times.

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That's why everyone quit posting no one understands why RoF is more important than damage or why you should extract rather than crawl and wait for a revive. It's useless no one listens. This is why we need clans explaining the point of these things instead of being told the shut up in chat.

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Originally Posted by Chris Robet

I've seen you guys around you seem like a good clan.

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We used to be numbered and Strong...... Til density came, then clan leader said "fvck y'all I'm out" . now its just me and one other. Keeping the flame a live I guess.

I had the same experience with another clan called Vigilant Justice. I tried destiny and uninstalled it less than a week after it came out. Anyways my ADD is kicking back to the topic of the warmaster.

There are trolls in clans of all sizes really so there is no way to avid them completely. In essence they are just another hostile aspect of the PvE environment; since they cannot be shot it is usually best to ignore them so they get bored and go away.

As long as the monkeyhunts are public there is going to be the occasional troll shooting locks and/or typing disinformation as fast as the organizers type tips; on the other hand if they go private the events will probably quickly die out once the novelty wears off.

A lot of the trolls seem to have gotten bored with WM events anyway and moved operations to the open map. Threat level jacking and mob herding (once a countermeasure to AFKers in co-ops that has been adopted by griefers for the mischief on the open map) seem to be the griefing tactics that are currently in vogue.

An organized, recognized clan dedicated to teaching tactics (WM and other types) is a good idea though hard to implement properly with the flat clan organization and underwhelming, mediocre communication system in Defiance.