I know its s game but there was always some sense of accomplishment when we took down papa chango.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Robet
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I know its s game but there was always some sense of accomplishment when we took down papa chango.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Robet
When humans encounter a problem they have trouble overcoming your brain makes you happy when you accomplish that so called undoable challenge so that you'll keep overcoming challenges.
Well dammit now I want to kill the monkey!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Robet
I know what you mean, I am in a clan that mostly left Defiance in disgust after a big batch of nerfs hit a while ago. Now it is rare to see more than one or two clanmates on anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burned In Effigy
Back to the main topic. I need support if this is going to happen. The basics are other experienced players starting clans on other servers, officers on PS3 NA to help train and recruit, and lastly we need you defiance to help us grow. If you're interested in these spots comment below. Or just want to comment on something in this thread feel free to do so.
Also if you want to join ask below.
Just a thought, we would also need an awesome name.
The Super Killing Monkey Fvckers
I was thinking thinking Les Gardiens du jue. French for guardians of the game. Too cheesy maybe?
Guardians of the Light
Sisyphus. Because that's who you'll feel like after a bit...
What killing the warmaster? Nah I don't care how many times I roll him up a hill. Because every time he goes up to the top I get a little bit stronger. (:
i can only say one thing to all this
good luck
reason :
you cant make people that dont want to listen listen. the more you push people to conform to how you want them to play the more there going to not, the reason behind all the changes to the war master was due to noobs that dont want all us vets/seasoned players telling them how to do something in this game. every change has been becuxe a noob dosent want it. well ok most of them.
the more we seasoned and vet players push them to try and play how we want them to the more thy buck and fight back and ignore us and troll us. its simple logic that if your told to do something your going to do the opisite..
in the end. i offer up the same reply i have on all " WM " threads that have some form of complante.
stop doing them. its not worth it.
but i do wish you good luck. if you can force every F2P player on PSN to do what we do on PC NA and PC EU good for you. but . console players are diffrent from PC Players. there useto being Solo players. there not going to change that habbit there going to keep going into thes things for there own binafits and there going to keep doing what thy do becuse thy want to do it the way thy want to do it.
:: shrug ::
thats all i realy have to say on the matter i wish you luck. and hope you manage to do what your doing.
Thank you for the luck, but I have no wish to force people to do anything. I simply wish to teach them how to fight if they want to learn; however, I think I'm going to chuck this idea in the trash seeing as how no other people have wanted to start the clan on their server. Unfortunately, I thought more people would be interested but it seemed like people were just content to let the large clans teach them so I'll respect everyone's decision and drop the subject of this cross server academy. Good luck to everyone.
Wait then if you do not need a clan to beat the WM then why create a clan dedicated to learning to beat the WM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Robet
You are contridicting yourself. You need enough properly trained people frr any given run to beat the WM.
That would be a minimum of 20-25 you need at least 5 times that in the clan to ensure that you have enough for each run thats getting to be fairly large of a clan and there are pleanty of clans alread that beat the WM regularly and bring in friends and others not in the clan that knw how to fight the WM or are at least willing to listen and learn.
So really your own logic or ilogic indicates there is no need for your so called dedicated WM clan.
What is needed is private instances to ensure keeping the trolls out.
What I was hoping was that I would train people for a few week then they could stay in the clan or leave it, either way they know how to kill the warmaster.
On Xbox NA our clan THE FALLEN has been training our new members how to kill the warmaster and we had had success. As soon as the event is over we will be taking him down repeatedly. Thank god for FTP and the life it has brought back to the game. In just the last three weeks we have gotten over 600 new members. Some will stay with the game and some will not. A lot have ego'ed to over 4000 and have learned what it takes to drop Mr Monkey. The days of killing the WM will be here very soon. You can count on THE FALLEN as a WM killing clan.
That's great but unfortunately PS3 still has no such thing, nor will there likely ever be.
If you want to create a clan that helps newer players (who are willing to listen) defeat Warmaster, then I say go for it. Obviously, there will be obstacles with; players who will troll your major arkfall, players who don't pay attention to the team chat, and players who will not listen because they don't like being told what to do. You know this already and you still want to help. Do it.
Best advice from me to you is...
-- Try not being that vet who calls the newbies names like "dumbas*" (and etc) when they start trying to kill the Viscera. I know it can be very frustrating and annoying when they, but explain to them all the reasons they shouldn't.
-- Bring as many players as you can to the major arkfall site before you lay all the spikes down and explain to those there what they should do.
-- I don't know if you can copy/paste things in the chat (never tried), but if you can, type up what you can about how to defeat Warmaster and flood the chat with it. There's a character limit for how many letters/words can be in each entered chat, so obviously you'll have to shorten what needs to be said in this.
-- Don't be afraid to start out small. Of course ideas like this may not spread like wildfire, but at least you can help players out even if it's one-by-one.
-- If you fail the Warmaster, then try chatting with the people who trained that you all can do it again. Encourage them that while the Warmaster payout has been nerfed, that doesn't mean you can't gain any skill while fighting him. Through my experience, even with failed WM attempts, I'm a much better shooter while running around trying to aim/shoot his back now.
-- Don't flood players you are training with information. Do it step by step. Tell them what weapons are best, what nanos are best. Explain to them why other weapons are not good for against WM, that just because they score better doesn't mean they are doing any fast damage to him. Also, tell them which spikes and stims are best to bring during this event. Then tell them why they need a lot of players in the chamber while actually trying to take WM down. Explain to them why his back is best option for taking him down. Then move on to how WM attacks and moves around in the chamber fight. Anyway, you get the picture of course, I can stop rambling about that now. lol.
-- I almost forgot about this one, tell the people who are training and anyone willing to listen in the chat not to listen to their EGO when she talks while inside the arkfall. From what I've seen, this is why newer players don't listen to the people telling them what to do once they are inside. They are hearing their EGO telling them to break the locks, so they are jump right on that. I felt bad for new players once when players were basically screaming at the new players and calling them idiots for not listening to them, and this one newbie said something on the lines of "wait, but she [EGO] said to break the locks. why don't we do this?"
Now I don't know what it's like playing on the PS3, but I really hope something good from this. Even if you don't make the clan, I think you should try to help others. It maybe not help them with WM only, but in the whole game as well. Like I said before, I can shoot a lot better while running now that I could before and that's mostly due to the WM events I've been to. Running and aiming for his back isn't always an easy thing.
Never give up. Never surrender.
lol
I appreciate the advice but like I said earlier I'm trashing it. I have tried this several times on a smaller scale but this seems to be the type of thing that is either go big or go home. I thought it was a great idea unfortunately most others did not which I acknowledge and respect.
It is a good idea in theory, there's just too many variables that you can't control. When private instances roll around you should have no problem doing this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Robet
I agree with you Chris, training is needed but it starts within the clan. then branch out. You can't stop all the trolls that wander in. It is frustrating. Hopefully private instances will help . I am on PS3 na bargod1219. I will help if I can
Thank you for the offer BarGod but as I said I'm trashing the idea.
Your idea for a wm only clan sounds like a good idea, but with the game being f2p you will get a lot of idiots joining and tagging along for free, imho you should keep to the forums and build a friends list of good/serious players who know wtf they're doing and join forces with them to complete it.
Played many mmo's and raided to highest standards myself, but wm on ps3 is another ballgame lol, just make sure all have right weapons etc before calling down the major, and don't ask for help in zone chat, as that attracts the freebie wm wannabes imo, and if too many come along the group gets split into different instances.
and no need to train new players on how to kill him.....just send em a link to youtube ffs :p
Thank you for your advice but as I said I am trashing this idea due to lack of support.
don't give up now m8, you have a very active thread going here, friends of friends and all that jazz should get you off to a good start, some real good players posting here with some really good advice imo. New year brings some otherwise good players back to the game also, so let the thread go for another week and make sure you exchange psn names with those interested in helping and take this forward!!! wish you was on ps eu cause I got a ton of players in my clan that would flock to your cause ;) gl ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Robet
Thank you and I suppose I will try for another week. And also about you being on PSN EU this was meant to be a crossplatform/server training clan. Meaning that we would all make a clan under one name on every platform and server and exchange information on how best to train people and kill the warmaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brido_hecatombe
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Originally Posted by Chris Robet
Best way to train any raider is to link em to a youtube vid m8 :)
I played wow for a few years and new bosses team was told to find out tactics on their own, then raid leader would quiz players on certain tacts, if any answered wrong they got dropped and sometimes kicked from guild/clan. harsh but in the end we got kills,kills,kills
Tough way to work things but very efficient way of getting a proper group that done the job asap
EDIT: this type of group gameplay is new to the psn kiddies, pc players can do this with the wrong weapons, ****ty players, and very bad lag because it's what they do day in and day out. us psn players have a very hard time of it imo and devs need to take note and change things :p
Don't know if this has already been mentioned, I'm sure it has.I'm not going to read every post in the thread to find out.
What we need is the ability to kick people out of the Warmaster Arkfalls.
Anyone who puts down an Ark Spike should have the ability to eject people from it at will.
I have spent at least $200,000 scrip on ark spikes in the past week or so, that totally went to waste because of 1 or 2 idiots ruining the Warmaster for everyone else.
What is even more sad is that some of these Warmaster trolls are Ego rating 5000 and up. There is no excuse for that.
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Originally Posted by Brido_hecatombe
I am not quite that hard on people. I am hoping to give them in game training rather than have them rely on a variety of different tactics they find. Also I am hoping to grow and evolve the tactic being used, rather than just settle for one thing because Trion is always making changes so it will be prevalent to change the way we fight also.
This has not been mentioned but this post is not for warmaster suggestions. If this clan does come to work I will make a page for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dope Dealer
The basics of what is needed right now are.
1) Experienced players on other servers and platforms willing to start the clan on there.
2) Experienced players for officer positions to help train and recruit.
3) People who want to learn how to kill the warmaster.
If you wish to fill any of these positions please ask.
It's only a game, be tough and get **** done, be soft and you get nothing done......:mad: it's a fact that soft gamers go nowhere, tough ones strut about with their shiny's and act tough.....true story :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Robet
Notice the "quite" I will still be hard on them, but I feel it is better to be respected rather than feared. The harder you push someone the more likely they are to resist.
Treat your team like Navy Seals, because cadets don't win wars :D
Yaaargh!!!
and happy new year to all you mad crazy defiance playing mofos
As I said before. The basics of what is needed right now are.
1) Experienced players on other servers and platforms willing to start the clan on there.
2) Experienced players for officer positions to help train and recruit.
3) People who want to learn how to kill the warmaster.
If you wish to fill any of these positions please ask. If I do not getting an responses for at least three different people wishing to start the clan on their server then I am permanently trashing this idea.
You dont need a special clan for it. find guys in major clans on any platforms that would go for it and you're set. the problem is that some players just dont listen to you no matter how hard you try just because they dont know you IRL (and therefore cant trust you, lol). as flawed and facepalm-ish as it gets, but they exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Robet
also as i've already said in other thread, the problem with WM is that arkbreaks are the only instanced events that doesn't require owning DLCit to enter from the open world -- all arenas can be entered only by owners or if you're grouped with someone who have the dlc. simply making WM in line with that logic could remedy most of newb-problems.
if you want to kick big monkey's nuts - go get the dlc OR ask someone who will tell you how to enter it (and how to properly participate too)
As I've stated previously in the article many do not want to join large clans to learn how to beat the warmaster. I am hoping to make a clan that teaches you for a few weeks then you can either stay to help teach others or leave and be on your merry way knowing how to fight the warmaster. If enough people are trained how to do this then we will have a kill rate on the warmaster rivaling what we used to have in pay to play.
Just a bump.
My two cents? Anyone genuinely interested in learning how to kill Warmaster can easily do so if they pay attention to 1) what the mob is doing and 2) actually read the advice and instructions posted in team chat by the more experienced players. Unfortunately, a lot of people are either trolls or seem to ignore this. At Cronus, we make sure to explain our game plan every time we do a WM (which we do quite often, every day), so that the newest players know what not to do and how to be more effective. However, some players don't have team chat active, or plain right ignore everything and everyone, as they won't listen even when you send them a whisper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Robet