Why do people hate BMG and Crimefighter?

Please tell me why. I always have a BMG as my second weapon. When I see someone who's low on health I use my BMG to give them a quick boost then I'm back on my primary.People seem to look down on using it though. Or is that just the vocal whiners. I'm not sure.

Crimefighters, why do people hate these? I was even told in a warmaster not to use my Crimefighter it's dps is too low. On my ego 3000 character I was doing 41k a hit. What's the problem there?
I also hear people say "spamming" when it comes to the crimefighter. How does shooting the crimefighter get to considered spamming, as opposed to shooting something with an LMG. Is it a graphics issue? Please, someone explain.

Both cause lag because of their insane graphics issues. The lag is much more prevalent on consoles.

With the BMGs the healing part of them causes all kinds of problems for people, lag for one, lower fps and in cases like mine i loose the server and get disconnected. The graphics from it also block some peoples sight and give them problems since they can not see what is happening around them. The CF is all about the graphics, they need to be cut back. When that happens then it won't be so bad and people won't mind them so much. The CF does not give me problems but he BMG sure does.

1. The healing beam is weak, visually obtrusive (blinding), and causes performance issues for many. Not to mention that it occupies a loadout slot that could be used for a more useful weapon. See the fourth line of my sig for a link to an image of a (somewhat extreme but not unusual) example.
2. The Crimefighter is a great crowd control weapon, but it causes perf issues as well and the DPS is quite bad against bosses. 41k a hit on the wm is really not very much at all compared to what people with automatics (1st phase) and crit guns (2nd) are doing.

As things stand now the CF still has its uses, while the BMG is simply a damned menace. Attack with it and your dps is subpar, heal with it and you are effectively griefing everyone you hit with it.

A lot of ppl set up their perks for benefits when shields are down. Your BMG use is negating that bonus. Lowering the dps of that person.

Your CF may have a high damage number, but its dps is low compared to good smgs and excellent ars. This has been proven time and again.

The graphics {where consoles are concerned}on these weapons wreak havoc on framerate and lag when used in small areas or combined spaces. If there are more than a few ppl using one, I leave. If only one person is using one in an "indoor" co op, I leave. Better than going to the disco.

I hate BMGs because of the blinding visual effects it causes. It's bad enough when one person is using it but if even two people use it, it's hard to see anything. It's even stupider because there is not options to either tone down or disable that effect.
Or that one that makes a shield, which is nice, but the AGAIN, no way to tone down the shield which can really make it hard to see things also.

I hate the Crimefighter because (I think this is the right gun) the amount of shaking that it causes. 1 or more people using it around you makes it seem like an earthquake is non-stop happening.
Again, no way to tone it down or disable that effect.

I'm on PC so I don't know how much of a performance hit they do on that platform.

hardy83 the gun your thinking of is the blood hound it shakes the living crap out of the screen, something that needs to be removed really.

for me the reason why i hate bmg over all, is that players use to get good score cause all they do is nothing and get big rewards. when other that use guns that do damage get ripped off cause we are the 1 that are doing the team good, while as the bmg spammer is hurting the team.

and then the shield that the bmg protector has add in even more trouble then it is worth. and if some like me cause excessive eye strain to the point i end up stop playing cause of the bmg spammers and the worthless shield protector.

bmg may be good for low ego like under 1k maybe to 2k but after that it isnt doing any good at all. and i have died way more when there is a bmg spammer then when there isnt any around. and the crimfighter is ok i have ab= bunch of them but i dont use them. havent got the knack to figure out how to shot mid range .

but i dont get any of the lag like most here and in game say they do, but i would rather have crimfighter then bmg on the field anyday

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Originally Posted by Darq

Please tell me why. I always have a BMG as my second weapon. When I see someone who's low on health I use my BMG to give them a quick boost then I'm back on my primary.People seem to look down on using it though. Or is that just the vocal whiners. I'm not sure.

Crimefighters, why do people hate these? I was even told in a warmaster not to use my Crimefighter it's dps is too low. On my ego 3000 character I was doing 41k a hit. What's the problem there?
I also hear people say "spamming" when it comes to the crimefighter. How does shooting the crimefighter get to considered spamming, as opposed to shooting something with an LMG. Is it a graphics issue? Please, someone explain.

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I don't hate BMG and Crimefighters at all. In PVE and Coops they peform very good. I even do like the heals. I always have that Perk activated, on my arkfall build, which reduces received DMG when the shields fills itself. They Crimefighter helps alot in Coop Speedruns. Since These aren't as rewarding as other activities I like to fly through them.

On the other hand: They both arent suited against the Warmaster. There are many Guides out there which explain it.

1. Low DMG output, due to misses. -> Reduces DPS
2. Blocks clear Vision for the whole group (especially when there are >1 CF's) -> Reduces Group-DPS
3. FPS breaks in for few fellow players (myself included) -> reduces DPS
4. No benefit from the +45% Crit Perk when shield's empty -> Reduces DPS massively
5. You won't deplete Warmasters Healthbar

I can understand the use of BMG's. Many non-5k-EGO's don't survive the attackwaves of the Warmaster and end up extracting every 30 seconds. -> I rather suggest then to keep your distance. Use Ablative/Repair Armor Stims and High Capacity Shields. Activate defensice Perks (+HP, +%RegenHP, 1x DMG-Reduction).

Crime fighter has such a big blast radius it is hard to see an enimie if uare up close I dont hate the thing....it lags some indoor coop maps only indoor scenes and the spanner protector has a sheild that can be hard to see throughif alot of animation is going on. Both are goods tools but if used at the wrong time they can be a nucence.

When the Crimefighter first came into the game i used it once or twice. Didnt really like it because i couldnt see chit anymore hahaha. Too much light, too much effect. The weapon is based on random hitting enemies and not skill-based, so i put it aside. Really came to hate the Crimefighter when people started (ab)using them in the expert coops. Thats where i experienced that a Crimefighter in the hands of another player causes some serious lag, sometimes even to the point of critting out. Plus the fact that if one player, you or someone else, is using that weapon in dark places and against a lot enemies no one gets to see a dang thing. Sure its effective against regular mobs (not bosses), but no fun for no one.

About the BMG enough things have been said...
- The healing does not compensate for the damage dealt by TL10 mobs, so its better to use a high DPS-weapon and start helping other to kill them baddies.
- It's blinding people's sight.
- It's wrecking some very nice loadouts based on low health/no shield in exchange for higher DPS.
- The infamous Honeycomb.

Personally i see someone using a BMG in my group as a very expendable member within that group. In a coop that means fighting with 3 players and carry a burden.

Crimefighter is NOT good for co-op. Unless you want everyone to hate you and, with the new system, get yourself booted.

Let's not forget about people crying about point farming.

[sarcasm]You shouldn't try to get a higher score to obtain more arkforge. That's a no-no. [/sarcasm]

No matter your intentions, people assume you're griefing or intentionally trying to outscore them instead of helping them. While scoring higher than others contains some friendly competition, others may look down on you no matter how effective or ineffective you are. There's a bit of elitism in all games. It's part of the human condition, and this game is no different.

Tread lightly while having fun.


Note: the graphics issue is a true concern that needs to be addressed fully

I'm not meaning to sound elitist here but what kind of systems are you people running that are having graphics issues with the crimefighter? I've had none at all. I've got an 8 core AMD 4200, 16 gigs of RAM, and GTX 650TI.
I do have to say that I used to hate the BMG graphics but I adjusted my gamma and it's fine. The recommened gamma is too dark and the BMG beam and bubble contrasted too much. I've also turned off screen shake too, It's somewhere in the options.

As for DPS of my orange fully modded 3k crimefighter. I've tested it against most of my other 3k weapons and it rocks. The calculator says so also. On my 5k character my LMGs and ARs are way better than my purple 5k Crimefighter. Then the crimefilghter is only useful in crowd situations. It's pretty useless as a single target weapon.

Thanks for the info guys. I was truly mystified about some of the comments I've seen about BMG and Crimefighter. You guys cleared that up for me.

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Originally Posted by Darq

I'm not meaning to sound elitist here but what kind of systems are you people running that are having graphics issues with the crimefighter? I've had none at all. I've got an 8 core AMD 4200, 16 gigs of RAM, and GTX 650TI.
I do have to say that I used to hate the BMG graphics but I adjusted my gamma and it's fine. The recommened gamma is too dark and the BMG beam and bubble contrasted too much. I've also turned off screen shake too, It's somewhere in the options.

As for DPS of my orange fully modded 3k crimefighter. I've tested it against most of my other 3k weapons and it rocks. The calculator says so also. On my 5k character my LMGs and ARs are way better than my purple 5k Crimefighter. Then the crimefilghter is only useful in crowd situations. It's pretty useless as a single target weapon.

Thanks for the info guys. I was truly mystified about some of the comments I've seen about BMG and Crimefighter. You guys cleared that up for me.

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Elitist! Elitist! ELITIST! Quick, grab your torches and pitchforks! We have another one!

Just kidding. :)

Actually, most of the ones complaining about the graphics issues are console players like myself. You are lucky that you can tweak your settings or change out to a higher quality video card. We are stuck with whatever M$ or $ony gave us.

Yeah im ps3. Only tweaking methods I have are my fist or a hammer.

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Originally Posted by Mister Derpenhowser

Yeah im ps3. Only tweaking methods I have are my fist or a hammer.

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LOL! Don't forget a screwdriver for prying and pliers for pulling apart stuff. ;)

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Originally Posted by Major Crapshot

LOL! Don't forget a screwdriver for prying and pliers for pulling apart stuff. ;)

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And a shot of whiskey for crying into because nothing works and ppl still use the damned weapons! ;)

Crit build shield break set up relies on shields being down to deal an extra 45% more damage to WM that is reason enough to hate them in WM, then there is the fact they make it harder to aim. Frankly with the time restriction it's best to let people die re spawn and rush back while every one up deals damage rather then having some people healing and lowing overall damage out put.

You get limited number of players and time to finish WM anything that makes it harder is just seen as bad form /trolling ect. Most people i know would agree a lot of perks rely on broken shields and BMG's just make those perks useless.

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Originally Posted by Fallen_Aingeal

And a shot of whiskey for crying into because nothing works and ppl still use the damned weapons! ;)

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And a Baseball Bat for when things get really stubborn...

Like that printer from Office Space.

I hate them because I prefer to use bullet weapons and getting critical hits, and that requirea that I actually be able to see what I'm shooting at. The weapons in question blind me or prevent me from seeing what I'd like to shoot at.

But not to worry, I have an answer when people use BMG's and Crimefighters around me. I just equip my Volge AR and spin in a circle while firing continuously. Reload and repeat as needed.

Hey, if I can't see, ain't no one seeing. ;)

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Originally Posted by Fallen_Aingeal

And a shot of whiskey for crying into because nothing works and ppl still use the damned weapons! ;)

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Whiskey?!

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B.M.G. (AC/DC – T.N.T.)

oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi

See me ride out of the sunset
On your colored TV screen
Out for all that I can get
If you know what I mean
Players to the left of me
And players to the right
Ain't got no gun
Ain't got no knife
Don't you start no fight

(Chorus)
I got a
B.M.G.
It’s a blinding light
B.M.G.
And I'll lose the fight
B.M.G.
Graphics overload
B.M.G.
Anger explodes

I'm dirty, mean and mighty unclean
I'm a Wanted man
Public Enemy Number One
Understand
So lower your gamma
And put on some shades
Get ready for hate
I got it in spades
The man is back in town
Don't you mess around

(Chorus)

(Guitar Solo)

B.M.G. oi oi oi
B.M.G. oi oi oi
B.M.G. oi oi oi
B.M.G. oi oi oi

B.M.G.
It’s a blinding light (oi oi oi)
B.M.G.
And I'll lose the fight (oi oi oi)
B.M.G.
Graphics overload (oi oi oi)
B.M.G.
Anger explodes

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Originally Posted by Atticus Batman

Whiskey?!

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Aye, the whiskey, laddie. Cures what ails ya!

I agree that the bmg n cf have graphic issues and i would like the bmgs to get tweaked as to make them more useful in threat level 10 situations. Other than that i have no problem with the 2. I have both oj cf and spanner pro. I mainly use them in pvp where they are very usful for me. Also, PLEASE dont use these in warmaster. That is the absolute worst time for these weapons (psa for the noobs lol).

My only problem with the BMGs is the effects that obstruct my vision, like the little shield animation, and when they cause graphics issues. During the Solstice Event, there would be so many people using BMGs and CFs at a major that my PS3 literally couldn't render anything but the map and my character model. If I wanted to play by myself, there are plenty of other great single player FPS and TPS titles out there.

What happens to other players when you play a Crimefighter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grrzd5YzieY

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I got a
B.M.G.
It’s a blinding light
B.M.G.
And I'll lose the fight
B.M.G.
Graphics overload
B.M.G.
Anger explodes

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+1 :)

Been inna expert coop with Crimefighters yesterday again. I just waited for them to play as i couldnt aim anything. I had to Blur rush to be there before them to have a chance to kill stuffs, at the end i scored more than them both with a courrier...
Pointless usin this "thing".

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Originally Posted by Riz

When the Crimefighter first came into the game i used it once or twice. Didnt really like it because i couldnt see chit anymore hahaha. Too much light, too much effect. The weapon is based on random hitting enemies and not skill-based, so i put it aside. Really came to hate the Crimefighter when people started (ab)using them in the expert coops. Thats where i experienced that a Crimefighter in the hands of another player causes some serious lag, sometimes even to the point of critting out. Plus the fact that if one player, you or someone else, is using that weapon in dark places and against a lot enemies no one gets to see a dang thing. Sure its effective against regular mobs (not bosses), but no fun for no one.

About the BMG enough things have been said...
- The healing does not compensate for the damage dealt by TL10 mobs, so its better to use a high DPS-weapon and start helping other to kill them baddies.
- It's blinding people's sight.
- It's wrecking some very nice loadouts based on low health/no shield in exchange for higher DPS.
- The infamous Honeycomb.

Personally i see someone using a BMG in my group as a very expendable member within that group. In a coop that means fighting with 3 players and carry a burden.

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Crimefighter not skill based? can't just lock on to something and hit it...just like throwing a football best to arch it just right. or hit the ground at the right angle so it rolls to the enemy. if you just staight up try and shot it like an Smg or something you will most likely miss and have hella **** bonce around or come back and hit you.

The 3 most annoying weapons in the game - BMG, Crimefighter & Bloodhound. Don't get me wrong, I don't really have anything against heals or the other guns and for me I don't get much lag when people use them BUT it's the graphics effect these weapons cause that gets to me.

BMG & CF - Can't see anything to shoot at due to the graphics on the screen. 100% of the time I have to resort to just focusing on the crosshairs and if it turns red then I shoot. Not good for anyone if you're in something like a Warmaster since it significantly reduces the dps output. In the end it becomes a question of whether the users of these guns want a win or go home with some vendor loot.

Bloodhound - My god, the screen shakes so bad when someone uses this that it's literally impossible to target anything. In the end I resort to just 'spray n pray'.

Users of these weapons should note that you may think you're getting highest score but ... so what ? The Rng is so huge in this game that you could literally come in last and get an oj or first and still get green rewards. Trion really needs to revisit the issues with these weapons and soon.

Honestly I used a CF to complete my 5000 combat shotgun kills pursuit and I'm currently using a BMG until I get the skill maxed.

I have no idea why anyone would ever use a bmg after maxing as it is just the most useless weapon ever.

The CF, however, is actually pretty good in some scenarios. Luckily I play on PC so I don't have any issues with FPS drop while using it so I see no issue.

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Originally Posted by Shrimkins

Luckily I play on PC so I don't have any issues with FPS drop while using it so I see no issue.

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The people around the user are the ones that have issues on PS3.

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Originally Posted by Shrimkins

I have no idea why anyone would ever use a bmg after maxing as it is just the most useless weapon ever.

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I ran into someone today using a bmg in pvp... easiest kills ever :)

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Originally Posted by KingNephilim

I ran into someone today using a bmg in pvp... easiest kills ever :)

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Depends on the bmg.

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Originally Posted by konstantinov

Depends on the bmg.

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This was a normal bmg with no nano... he caught me offguard a few times & still could not kill me, as the dps was so low. I did meet a girl once with a fully modded bio bmg that did unreal damage & caused my toon to stick to the floor... It was very impressive.

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Originally Posted by KingNephilim

This was a normal bmg with no nano... he caught me offguard a few times & still could not kill me, as the dps was so low. I did meet a girl once with a fully modded bio bmg that did unreal damage & caused my toon to stick to the floor... It was very impressive.

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Plate slicer makes a difference.

ps tele spanner 9k+ damage a sec

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Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210

ps tele spanner 9k+ damage a sec

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With -2% dmg charge say what???!!

Sometimes BMGs are good, I try not to use it around other people so as not to cause them any lag. I like the spanner trapper and the tele spanner. The spanner trapper is really good and slowing enemies down and the tele spanner has good range and damage plus if I use the healing on the tele spanner i dont have to worry about linking with anyone else by accident.

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Originally Posted by Graywolfe

Sometimes BMGs are good, I try not to use it around other people so as not to cause them any lag. I like the spanner trapper and the tele spanner. The spanner trapper is really good and slowing enemies down and the tele spanner has good range and damage plus if I use the healing on the tele spanner i dont have to worry about linking with anyone else by accident.

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Try using a 4% DMG charge stingray with a 20 link range and +2 max links. Beastly is an understatement.