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Just got back on been away for good while. I was going through some of my inventory when I noticed my zaggers rolls were changed wtf happened here the best op weapon in the game has been nerfed so my question is what good is the zagger for if the 0.0 reload is not working its shots are ****ing slow need help. I like my **** back. Where is the rational in all this.
Don't fret. There are still other broken weapons for you to use.
You answered your own question actually:Quote:
Originally Posted by Topo
The weapon was literally OP. Sawed-offs are supposed to be burst damage weapons, and yet it was out-DPS'ing the best DPS weapons. But zaggers are still very good. The orange roll was replaced with +2 mag, which means you can fire 2 shots before reloading (which can work great with the intimidation perk), and the reload is really not that slow. I'm still using mine and doing just fine.Quote:
the best op weapon in the game
Well, what really happened is this...
The Zagger is a DLC-weapon. So only the people who bought the 2nd Arkbreaker DLC were able to use the Zagger. And only the Quartermaster version was usefull. Even better, only the OJ-version Quartermaster was usefull IF you managed to also pick up that T4 Rapid Shotmod. No need to say only a selected few had that weapon in possession. And those people massively went into PvP killing everything on sight. Including me, and it was a big deal of fun too! So a lot of 'victims' then turned around and went crying to Trion on how they were not able to have such an OP gun as well! Some because of bad luck, most because they were simply not owning that 2nd DLC.
Lockkeepers, SAW's, Cloak, Nim too hard, not enough perk-slots available soon enough... We all know Trion listens to cry-babies and decided to get rid of the Zagger it's OP'ness. The good news is they're going to replace it with a new OP'looking infector. Oughta be fun too!
So l paid money for my dlc's inventory slots an could not tell you how much money. An zaggers did not have to be quartermaster when they made a patch to change the mastery rolls so 4 zaggers down the drain way to go you ****s at trion listen to the no spending money ****s thanks again trion for ****ing up.
I had an awesome zagger, fully T5 modded, used it all the time in PVP. Now its a piece of crap.
My french hen (DC-3) with (T5 damage barrel bercause #4 ss syn sucks ballls in PVP ) overpowers my fully t5-d zagger :( Plus the Arkforge used to make said zagger oj from purp(20$ psn card) then trion messes it up and makes it useless. Gotta love it.
I can relate to what your saying.
( I didnt pay for DLC's I bought ultimate collector edition for 60$ and got season pass thats the way to go)
An over whelming mountain of evidence of it being over powered and game breaking happened. So it was changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Topo
Trion should just "Give everyone a Zagger" problem solved then the playing field is even. Just like everyone can own a Big Boomer. They havent "Nerfed those...Yet..." lol
if people cant afford to purchase a DLC I suppose to support a game that they enjoy.
id Gladly give them back their zagger for my 20 bucks back lol
This is the best post right here. The zagger is still better than most other sawed offs, if not all. Just because its not broken like some of you liked it. But its far from useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tekrunner
Yeah! I use my QM Rad Zagger to reset my EGO power when I'm testing EGO power stuffs! Aside from that, it just takes up an inventory slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tura Satana
Tricks claim during a live stream that it wouldn't be nerfed turned out to be a lie. They also removed the green reload roll because they said it was useless, that was also a lie.
EDIT: It wasn't an outfit so these were acceptable lies to most.
Find a new broken weapon, seriously.. or maybe even a non-broken one.
I don't think it was a lie, Trick really didn't seem to see anything wrong with it and left it as it was for a long time, despite being repeatedly shown that the weapon was stupidly overpowered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chump Norris
Trick didn't seem to see a lot a things going wrong, that's why i'm quite excited to see LoCarb in his place and am not sad at all to see Trick go. I dont know LoCarb, but been watching the latest live-stream (for the first time in ages) to see him in action. Cant do worse. Together with the growing amount of posts from Rashere on this forum, which looks like an awesome dev, i see a brighter future in Defiance. But this is off-topic.
So, on-topic.
Exactly this ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by DeMoNofDEATH
I know it says in the users-agreement and policies that Trion is entitled to make changes to game. And by playing Defiance we all agreed. Sure, sure. But they do have to understand that if they're throwing an OP-something into the game, -maybe broken, maybe not tested good enough-, that people are going to chase for that item. And once in possession a lot of players are willing to throw some money into it like DeMoNofDEATH did. And i assume he was not the only one buying Arkforge solely for upgrading and finishing a Zagger. It kinda suxx badly that you put a lot of time and effort into getting a certain gun and required mods, throw real money in to make it perfect only to see it nerfed into worthless pieces a little bit later.
Personally, i hate people destroying stuff i paid for. I was annoyed by this Zagger-nerf, but since i didnt pay anything besides scrip for it i also dont really care for this one in particular. What i do care about is that this was yet another thing that got destroyed after people paid for it.
A reminder on some other stuff...
- The game itself. Paid 60 euro's for it just to see them change the score-system, making DPS and kills redundant in a shooter, for financial reasons.
- Trashing coop-play between low and high EGO's, dividing whole clans just to sell boosts.
- DLC2- I think i paid for locks (and time to reasonably fill the room with enough players), i liked it that way and already paid for it.
- DLC5- Taking money from everyone, then deny low EGO's the possibilty to enter the expert-coops by themselves two weeks later. And with only 5k weapons in the vendors and the scaling system being implanted for everyone, expert coops were like the whole 5th DLC. Dont get me wrong on this one. Low EGO's have no business in expert-coops. But you cant sell it to them, take the money and then exclude them from the party.
The Zagger is just another thing on the list that could be made way longer. Charging money and then nerf the hell out of it is a bad business-model. In the end customers lose their faith in what they've acquired and simply wont buy the stuff they need to upgrade it. Example: I dont think DeMoNofDEATH will buy another $20 PSN-card to upgrade the next OP-gun, knowing that it'll eventually end up nerfed.
pretty sure your using the word broken wrong. op as intended is a better blanket statmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Tura Satana
The zagger was broken. It was repeatedly stated that the reload of the Zagger was not working as intended and indeed a bug.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoodakiss
I fully agree that things shouldn't be broken in the first place, but if they still make it into the game, they have to get fixed. The same type of arguments could have been made back when surge bolters were nerfed, after having been incredibly OP for months. Yet fixing them was clearly the right thing to do, because they were too powerful for the good of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riz
A good rule of thumb for MMOs, especially F2P ones: if it's clearly OP, expect it to get nerfed eventually.
Also, infinite ego power was certainly NOT intentional which was made possible by the zagger.
Oh my god people. Once again, a useless thread has been made because the OP can't take the time to research their question. It's not that hard people. There is a search bar, use it.
And now we get to Rez the QQ'ers of the zaggers. And before anyone starts going off for me saying this, just know in advance that I spent 3000 arkforge on a zagger, 500 to oj it, 2500 to get the reload mastery. And I was pissed off that they changed it. Believe me, I messaged a ton of Devs and made a huge deal about it.
But when you actually sit down, use logic, and have your emotions away from the game, you realize the weapon was stupid to begin with. It was a toy of a weapon. It did not out dps the best dos weapons, but it did out dps most. A 0 reload is broken on a weapon regardless of your opinion. It's a game, the dlc you bought does not revolve around the one weapon you got. Everyone complaining about oh I need a refund to make it fair, you didn't buy the dlc to get a zagger. When you signed the terms and agreements, you agreed to them changing things, therefore your argument is already invalid. It's not like it was something that shouldnt of happened, it needed to happen. So many weapons become obsolete over a period of time, the zagger was going to. It now has a oj mag roll, use overcharge and guess what? You can shoot 4 shoots without reloading. There ya go.
This.Also, the Zagger is still viable.Use this formula OP,if you don't believe me:Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycroww
If your math isn't rusty, then you'll see that the Zagger is still a good weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Math
Note:Count mag as 2 shots.Don't forget to double the number of pellets from the stat card(2×8=16).Also,if you don't care about crit DPS then ignore crit in the formula(AKA assume that crit is 1).
Ok how can you say the zagger was not that good I guess you only had maybe one well I had 6 all synergy I would wreck pvp not my problem that others did not have also pve great weapon what other weapon is better. Lvl 10 dark matter volge it didn't matter they would be dust in second . So I don't want to hear stupid comments when u don't know what you are talking about.
No one in this thread said that zaggers were not that good. Everyone is telling you the exact opposite, which is that they were simply too good. I don't think I can explain it any better than I already have, especially if I'm going to get called stupid for it. Ultimately it doesn't matter anyway, the nerf is done now, either you have to deal with it or find another game to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Topo
Actually I had multiple zaggers thank you very much. What other weapon is better for pvp? Let's see, precise chaos, swimming swan, sluggers, fraggers, breachers, snipers want me to go on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Topo
Pve, what weapons are better? Let's see, Vot needlers, springers, wildcats, wolfhounds, boomers, crimefighters want me to go on?
Your opinion of stupid comments is my opinion on this stupid thread. The only difference is you are saying math is stupid because the math shows so many better weapons, this thread is pure laziness and a waste of time because you couldn't take the time to do the research. No matter how much you cry about zaggers, guess what? It's not going to change back.
Like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycroww
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I would be better if they kept the reload but nerfed to damage to suit, maybe by half or quarter?
Now its just a boring old sawnoff the same as the others.
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Originally Posted by Psycroww
However they did say they wouldn't nerf them, imo it should be let to rest but I do feel that the people who have put time and effort including real money (bits) into crafting thier zagger should be compensated in some way.
Way back when they nerfed the saw and changed the sights I managed to get some scrip to replace the sights.
So what? Did they sign a legal document stating they wouldnt change it? Nope, therefore they can do what ever they want no matter what they say...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bentu
Don't get all high and mighty with me pal, I and many others took them at thier word and to break thier word and hide behind terms and conditions are just like your reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Claydough
Unwarranted
I'll still buy PSN cards and make my weapons as powerful as possible to give me the best advantage possible. I am pretty horrible at this game.
See y'all in PVP with my broken weapons ;)
Just not my dusty Zagger... lol
DC-3 maybe... X3 Damage Big Boomer, Surge bolter,Swimming Swam or even the Heartseeker Charge rifle is actuall quite nice in PVP if you havent tried it out.
Its Trions Game their free to do as they please. I read the fine print. Thank you for reminding me though :). I just come here to vent hoping that maybe the game developpers will realize that when people put "real" money that they got up in the morning and went to work for into something its kind of crappy when said item is rendered not useless but in my opinion might as well be.
You have to get close so close to your opponent when using a zagger or any sawn off shot gun even with a falloff barrel, it has to be powerful enough for a 1 shot kill in my opinion.
People can shoot me across the map with their surge bolters with one shot.
And this makes sense.
So instead of crying... Surge bolters are OP.... I got a wicked OP surge bolter.
Problem solved until nerf.
not referring to just the zagger, but it is crazy how the bug was goin on for more than 9 months before it was miraculously fixed after so much time and released to live the same weekend another game came out (in september) witch made it much easier for some let go and move on at that time. find it hard to believe that whoever designed the zagger didnt know that it was capable of true zero when they designed it or that nobody else thought of the in game physics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzy
even crazier how it wasnt just the zagger that was broken but any weapon that could be brought down to an instantaneous reload given the right rolls due to in game physics. people keep calling it a zagger nerf but it was defenatly not the only gun or class of gun that was affected. other guns that were affected were much more rare than the zaggers making it that much more disappointing when the changes were made but nobody was talking about broken sawed off scatter guns, broken heavy sawed off scatter guns, broken rocket launchers or broken smgs that skipped the reload animation. but its a physics change not a nerf but the zagger actually got a buff to compensate for the change in physics while other guns remained unchanged.
the statement "op as intended" was referring to every single weapon that is effective at killing other players, and the ones that some players call them broken and would like see fixed or nerfed depending how you look at it. ex: boomer, slugger, surge bolter, canker, blast rifle, crime fighter, particle repeater......ya know the weapons that people are always saying that are broken. let the guns do what they are supposed to do, kill stuff.
My only flat statement is to anyone who spends real money to buy boxes, modify weapons, or alter anything directly related to gameplay: Buyer beware. And live with the consequences. Because guess what? You have no one but yourself to blame if the nerfhammer hits.
Paying real money to alter gameplay is a lottery, pure and simple. If you get into the lottery and lose...c'est la vie.
So many of you are saying that we should fix the zagger because it was a bug in the game. I would like to remind you the newly buffed bosses are a result of a bug from a time after they INTENTIONALLY nerfed the bosses. So yeah let's fix that bug and have bosses dying in 20 seconds again.
I Like the hard Bosses :)