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  • 02-23-2015, 05:34 PM
    Illuminati CE0
    Question about Claiming V day Jackpot Weapons
    Hi again, so I earned a Fates Kiss on my 3k Ego character, but my inventory was full so it went to my claims without a ego requirement. The dmg says 349 which would be extremely low for a 3k ego character. My question is, if I claim that item on my 3k ego character will the dmg increase after claiming it or will it remain the same?

    In which case wouldn't it be better for me to claim it on my Second character at a much lower ego so I can upgrade it's rating more times, which would eventually be higher dmg cause I can upgrade rating more times then if I claimed it on my 3k ego character. (Assuming that spending the extra arkforge isn't an issue)

    I want to bring the dmg up as high as possible and don't mind spending more ark forge to do so if claiming on my lower character will allow that. However if claiming it on my 3k (higher) ego character will bring the dmg up once claimed I would like to do so and don't want to claim it until I kno for sure.

    For your information I earned the Fates Kiss on my 3k ego character (this is what confused me cause the dmg says it's so low, and on my 1st fates kiss I earned with the same character around 2,400 ego started with about 900-1200 dmg when I first earned it) is this a bug?
  • 02-23-2015, 05:40 PM
    Fuzzy
    When a named weapon goes to claims, it "loses" its ego. It should say -- as Ego on the left site of the screen.
    When claiming that weapon, the weapon will have the ego of the character you claim it on, so in your case around 3k Ego.
    The damage will increase as it's a 3k Ego gun as soon as it's claimed.
  • 02-23-2015, 05:47 PM
    Illuminati CE0
    Yeah I know that whatever character I claim it on, the Ego requirement of the gun will match/correlate with the ego of the character I claim it on.
    So "yes" if I claim the item on my higher ego character the weapon "will" increase its dmg/stats automatically to fit the ego of the character it was claimed on?

    I also have a 2nd v day weapon earned on my lower ego character that went to the claims as well, same situation. If I claim that on my higher ego character will that too increase its stats?

    Thank you for your time.
  • 02-23-2015, 05:51 PM
    Ryu Soba JP
    The answer is yes.
  • 02-23-2015, 05:57 PM
    Illuminati CE0
    Thank you.

    Would any of you happen to know if The Lucky Kitty is a weapon. I've seen pal say g that it is. I know it is an achievement as I earned it shortly after buying the season pass and participating in a Silicon Valley Incursion called Faith or Hellfire.
  • 02-23-2015, 06:08 PM
    Fuzzy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Illuminati CE0 View Post
    Thank you.

    Would any of you happen to know if The Lucky Kitty is a weapon. I've seen pal say g that it is. I know it is an achievement as I earned it shortly after buying the season pass and participating in a Silicon Valley Incursion called Faith or Hellfire.

    It is a title: http://www.defiancedata.com/item.php?id=981 :)
  • 02-25-2015, 02:22 AM
    Horror Stories
    I guess with this forum post the secret is out. What you're talking about is a major exploit/glitch that players have used for a while. Trion hasn't known about it until recently, and it will be patched soon. I would refrain from using it because in the end, if will probably get at least a few people banned when trion starts searching for players who abused this. Players have been using it for months to avoid using arkforge, costing Trion thousands in potential revenue. Players using this are pretty much stealing from trion. I'm very surprised this post didn't get flagged by a moderator, because this post and the comments have in a way informed every reader of this post how to exploit the game.
  • 02-25-2015, 02:28 AM
    Atticus Batman
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Horror Stories View Post
    I guess with this forum post the secret is out. What you're talking about is a major exploit/glitch that players have used for a while. Trion hasn't known about it until recently, and it will be patched soon. I would refrain from using it because in the end, if will probably get at least a few people banned when trion starts searching for players who abused this. Players have been using it for months to avoid using arkforge, costing Trion thousands in potential revenue. Players using this are pretty much stealing from trion. I'm very surprised this post didn't get flagged by a moderator, because this post and the comments have in a way informed every reader of this post how to exploit the game.


    1: it is not stealing because the players honestly earned the gear.
    2: Trion has known about it from the start since that is how all named gear has always worked.
    3: It is not an exploit because Trion has known from the start that named gear doesn't have an ego and gets set to the character's level when it is first claimed.
    4: It is probably a simple coding fix that could be changed if they cared, However since nobody is stealing or exploiting there is no issue.
    5: if they decide to change it, they will probably just change it so all gear can only be claimed on the character that earned it.
  • 02-25-2015, 02:31 AM
    Midnight
    I have no doubt that this will be patched soon...as the more people learn something that benefits them, the higher the chance that it will be nerfed/patched
  • 02-25-2015, 03:07 AM
    SirServed
    Considering the massive amount of players that did it during Solstice Strike didn't get it patched, I'm pretty sure it's not too high on the fix list.
  • 02-25-2015, 03:17 AM
    Horror Stories
    Batman, if you earn a named weapon on an ego 100 player, and you instantly boost it up to 5900 using this glitch, that might as well be stealing. To raise something from 100 ego to 5900 ego would require over $100 in arkforge. This is why you see players with 10-20 toons across multiple accounts. They have 1 high ego toon on each account and exploit this for free high ego named weapons. Say a person has 1 account, 1 5900 ego toon and 3 100 ego toons. During an event each toon is guranteed 2 named weapons. Considering $100 needed for each named weapon on the small toons. That's $600 per account that trion is potentially missing out on. If a player has 3 or 4 accounts(Which several people do, I know a few of them). That's totaling in at over $2000 in potential arkforge purchases that is being taken from trion. Would someone ever spend that much money on arkforge? No, but the potential situations where players do purchase arkforge to bring up named weapon exists. I've contacted trion developers and they said they did not know about this glitch until recently(During CC). If you say no one is exploiting you need to open your eyes. I know a good two dozen players who exploit this. I would never disclose who they are, but this glitch is being exploited to the fullest extent. The people who have only exploited for one or two weapons aren't a concern, it's when people start making multiple profiles solely for the purpose of exploiting this where it becomes a big issue.
  • 02-25-2015, 04:16 AM
    HelpIveBeenRenamed
    Lol get real nobody is stealing anything from Trion
    If I pulled any of the v event guns at 300 ego I wouldn't have put forge in them to go to 5900 ego there poopy I would have vendored them so it wouldn't have lost Trion $100 in lost forge sales per weapon
    Infact with the new rolls system I won't be putting forge into many weapons anymore as there rolls could totally be ruined going from purple to orange
  • 02-25-2015, 04:48 AM
    Mister Derpenhowser
    Yep the new rolls system is the only thing that will lose trion money in AF sales. Not that I would buy AF with real money anyway.
  • 02-25-2015, 06:57 AM
    Cyripax NeoPrime
    Lol, its not a "glitch" as you keep calling it for some reason.

    Thats the way named gear and mission reward weapons have ALWAYS worked. Its working as intended as it has from the start.
    Trion has never said anything about this issue EXCEPT that its the way it works (when ppl ask why the gear is egoless)

    IF they ever decide to change this, then they will let us know in the patch notes prior.

    They make plenty off of sales to not piss off the players for once

    As far as im concerned when i have 4 toons i play on a regular basis, and i end up getting multiple crap cupids arrows on my high ego toons, and getting fecked in the arse by RNG............. i have EVERY right to max out my inventory on my egon500 toon so i can have the chance to get ONE DECENT named weapon at my higher toons level by sending it to claims

    .......especially when i drop 50$ on bits every other month, 100$ on bits every holiday event, to only get my rectum wrecked by tons of green mods from lockboxes. Im one of the ppl who puts ALOT of money into trions pockets to keep this game which i LOVE alive, and it would be wise for them to listen to us now and then. But im pretty sure this issue is not high on the list if on it at all. ;)
  • 02-25-2015, 02:26 PM
    Rashere
    It's a side effect of how claims was set up, not something intentional, and we'll fix it at some point in the future. Bigger fish to fry right now.
  • 02-25-2015, 03:30 PM
    Bonehead
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rashere View Post
    It's a side effect of how claims was set up, not something intentional, and we'll fix it at some point in the future. Bigger fish to fry right now.

    Oh mannnnnn...

    I thought it was a feature.
  • 02-25-2015, 03:40 PM
    Rashere
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bonehead View Post
    Oh mannnnnn...

    I thought it was a feature.

    It is, kinda, just not intended for this particular use.

    Claims was built primarily so we could grant items to accounts which could then be claimed on any character (thus the name). In that case, the scaling to the EGO of the claimant makes sense. The whole "extra inventory gets punted to claims" is secondary and picked up that scaling feature by happenstance.

    I'm not a huge fan of claims being used as inventory overflow to begin with (though have no intent on changing that), but what should really happen is the item should get set to your EGO rating when you loot it THEN go to claims where it retains that information.
  • 02-25-2015, 03:54 PM
    Claydough
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rashere View Post
    It is, kinda, just not intended for this particular use.

    Claims was built primarily so we could grant items to accounts which could then be claimed on any character (thus the name). In that case, the scaling to the EGO of the claimant makes sense. The whole "extra inventory gets punted to claims" is secondary and picked up that scaling feature by happenstance.

    I'm not a huge fan of claims being used as inventory overflow to begin with (though have no intent on changing that), but what should really happen is the item should get set to your EGO rating when you loot it THEN go to claims where it retains that information.

    i kind of like that i can purchase t4 lockboxes with low level toon in hopes of getting a jackpot item that can be usable with my main level character. but netting normal 800 ego weapons from lock boxes almost get instaintly trashed even if they are good weapons because of the price they are to level up, so what do i spend all my keys on with my >4000 ego toons while leveling up? im happy spending all those keys on a 99% chance of not getting what i want, but im not gonna be very happy spending those keys on 100% chance of not getting what i want.

    the only thing thats really ruined this system is the fact we are handed out free jackpots like lollies now days... infact its much rarer to see regular oj weapons compared to the number of jackpot event weapons getting around.
  • 02-25-2015, 03:57 PM
    Bonehead
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rashere View Post
    It is, kinda, just not intended for this particular use.

    Claims was built primarily so we could grant items to accounts which could then be claimed on any character (thus the name). In that case, the scaling to the EGO of the claimant makes sense. The whole "extra inventory gets punted to claims" is secondary and picked up that scaling feature by happenstance.

    I'm not a huge fan of claims being used as inventory overflow to begin with (though have no intent on changing that), but what should really happen is the item should get set to your EGO rating when you loot it THEN go to claims where it retains that information.

    For the record; I was being my usual sarcastic snotty self when making my prior comment. Kudos for responding with such clarity and genuine informative communication. I'm still getting used to that and find it nicer that you might think. ( the previous contains no sarcasm and is sincerely meant.)
  • 02-25-2015, 04:05 PM
    Dixie Cougar
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Claydough View Post
    the only thing thats really ruined this system is the fact we are handed out free jackpots like lollies now days... infact its much rarer to see regular oj weapons compared to the number of jackpot event weapons getting around.

    You're complaining about the presents?!? Blasphemy!!
  • 02-25-2015, 05:23 PM
    ArthriticNed
    Or, since they are JACKPOT specials and everything else that goes to claims does so with the ego pulled, we just leave it the way it is. its kinda nice knowing that if you do pull a nice JP with any character the choice is yours as to which toon gets the goody.
  • 02-25-2015, 07:04 PM
    Midnight
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Claydough View Post
    i kind of like that i can purchase t4 lockboxes with low level toon in hopes of getting a jackpot item that can be usable with my main level character. but netting normal 800 ego weapons from lock boxes almost get instaintly trashed even if they are good weapons because of the price they are to level up, so what do i spend all my keys on with my >4000 ego toons while leveling up? im happy spending all those keys on a 99% chance of not getting what i want, but im not gonna be very happy spending those keys on 100% chance of not getting what i want.

    the only thing thats really ruined this system is the fact we are handed out free jackpots like lollies now days... infact its much rarer to see regular oj weapons compared to the number of jackpot event weapons getting around.

    You could always buy epic mod hoards...then distribute them to any characters who need them
  • 02-26-2015, 03:34 AM
    Claydough
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Midnight View Post
    You could always buy epic mod hoards...then distribute them to any characters who need them

    that is correct, but you can only buy so many boxes before you run out of rep.
    and i have to save rep so i can get the pursuit
  • 02-26-2015, 03:53 AM
    Mister Derpenhowser
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Claydough View Post
    that is correct, but you can only buy so many boxes before you run out of rep.
    and i have to save rep so i can get the pursuit

    No you don't. It builds up in the background :)
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