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  • 04-11-2013, 06:51 AM
    doggirl211
    Just adding my voice to the same problem. Xbox 360 player here.
  • 04-11-2013, 06:55 AM
    B_Draco
    I have the same problem too... I so wanted Overcharge power in my demolitions loadout, but I'm stuck with Blurring my way around... Please fix this devs, we all need variety, otherwise having loadout options limited like this makes it pointless to even have it.
  • 04-11-2013, 07:08 AM
    Avatar Kuruk
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by P4NCH0theD0G View Post
    Xbox 360

    I'm tentatively offering a possible workaround - at least it worked for a while for me - for the perks.

    Try setting up your perks in the lobby of a PvP game. I did that, and lo an behold, afterwards I could switch between my 2 classes and the perks remained the same. I didn't do a lot of testing with it, but usually for me the perks copied immediately, with every change after setting them up then exiting the menu. After the two PvP games I played, they didn't change anymore.

    I tried this method and it didn't work for me. But somethings are unclear. When you say PVP are you talking about Shadow Wars? And when you say lobby are you talking about the loadout screen between deaths? Maybe I'm missing something, but SW don't have traditional lobbies. Thanks in advance man

    Yeah, I wouldn't call it game breaking, but it certainly kills my drive to want to play more. I was so stoked to have multiple powers, then when the bug occurred I just kinda lost my motivation to play. I hope they fix this soon, I'm honestly baffled that this bug even made it past release.
  • 04-11-2013, 07:12 AM
    B_Draco
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Avatar Kuruk View Post
    I tried this method and it didn't work for me. But somethings are unclear. When you say PVP are you talking about Shadow Wars? And when you say lobby are you talking about the loadout screen between deaths? Maybe I'm missing something, but SW don't have traditional lobbies. Thanks in advance man

    Yeah, I wouldn't call it game breaking, but it certainly kills my drive to want to play more. I was so stoked to have multiple powers, then when the bug occurred I just kinda lost my motivation to play. I hope they fix this soon, I'm honestly baffled that this bug even made it past release.

    Yeah man, I sooooo wanted to toy around with different powers. I like dazin' 'n blazin' my targets with Blurr, but I kinda wanna try out Overcharge power for arkfalls and taking on harder enemies with brute force.
  • 04-11-2013, 08:13 AM
    P4NCH0theD0G
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Avatar Kuruk View Post
    I tried this method and it didn't work for me. But somethings are unclear. When you say PVP are you talking about Shadow Wars? And when you say lobby are you talking about the loadout screen between deaths? Maybe I'm missing something, but SW don't have traditional lobbies. Thanks in advance man

    This is what I did, and by no way did I do it intentionally. I will describe what I did in as much detail as I can, but I don't know what part - if any - did something. I just noticed that afterwards my perks stayed the same even after numerous switching, exiting the menu etc:

    I entered into a Competitive Maps Quick-Match.
    It was Observatory TDM 8v8.
    I entered the game and it had a 30 second countdown until the game starts.
    So, in the loadout screen / spawn screen I thought I try to rearrange my perks like I wanted them to be.
    I only have two loadouts, and loadout 1 (with Cloak) was the one with the perks copied into loadout 2 (with Decoy), so I only changed the perks in loadout 2.
    I then entered the game, and during the course of the match, I didn't switch loadouts, but I did switch weapons once in the Loadouts/Spawn Screen.
    After the game ended, I queued up for another Competitive Maps Quick Match, and after a minute, entered another game.
    TDM on Harbor, 6v6.
    I didn't mess around with my loadouts, since, to my surprise, nothing in the perks had changed.
    During the course of the game I switched loadouts once, and the perks stayed the same.
    After the match was finished, I went into my Character/Loadout menu, and again the perks were still how I had set them up.
    I switched between the loadouts several times, exited to the game, ran around, fired a few rounds, then went back in and switched loadouts again, checked the perks, and they were still the way I had set them up in the first TDM loadout/spawn screen.
    I didn't edit them anymore, didn't enter the EGO-Powers screen, or changed them around in the loadout screen.
    Then I had to stop playing.

    I haven't played again, yet, so I cannot tell if it's still working, but I will and eventually report here.
  • 04-11-2013, 08:19 AM
    matt77h
    My perks are constantly unequipping themselves whenever they please.
  • 04-11-2013, 08:25 AM
    Avatar Kuruk
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by P4NCH0theD0G View Post
    This is what I did, and by no way did I do it intentionally. I will describe what I did in as much detail as I can, but I don't know what part - if any - did something. I just noticed that afterwards my perks stayed the same even after numerous switching, exiting the menu etc:

    I entered into a Competitive Maps Quick-Match.
    It was Observatory TDM 8v8.
    I entered the game and it had a 30 second countdown until the game starts.
    So, in the loadout screen / spawn screen I thought I try to rearrange my perks like I wanted them to be.
    I only have two loadouts, and loadout 1 (with Cloak) was the one with the perks copied into loadout 2 (with Decoy), so I only changed the perks in loadout 2.
    I then entered the game, and during the course of the match, I didn't switch loadouts, but I did switch weapons once in the Loadouts/Spawn Screen.
    After the game ended, I queued up for another Competitive Maps Quick Match, and after a minute, entered another game.
    TDM on Harbor, 6v6.
    I didn't mess around with my loadouts, since, to my surprise, nothing in the perks had changed.
    During the course of the game I switched loadouts once, and the perks stayed the same.
    After the match was finished, I went into my Character/Loadout menu, and again the perks were still how I had set them up.
    I switched between the loadouts several times, exited to the game, ran around, fired a few rounds, then went back in and switched loadouts again, checked the perks, and they were still the way I had set them up in the first TDM loadout/spawn screen.
    I didn't edit them anymore, didn't enter the EGO-Powers screen, or changed them around in the loadout screen.
    Then I had to stop playing.

    I haven't played again, yet, so I cannot tell if it's still working, but I will and eventually report here.


    Thanks for the detailed break down. I'm going to give this a try once I am able to play.
  • 04-11-2013, 09:45 AM
    Gabryal
    [QUOTE=Darth Haighter;287632][QUOTE=Gabryal;245289]No news from the help desk request I put in, they haven't gotten back to me yet. I recommend however that we keep on top of this issue until we get some sort of response. Not to be a prick about it, because this is something that is relatively new. There wasn't a problem with this until one of the recent patches so something got screwed up along the way.
    Quote:


    not trying to be that guy, but actually, the bug has been in the game since release... the first thing i did day one was build from blur to cloak. the problem is, as covered, with multiple powers, but it is cross all platforms and has been in the game since it was released. biggest problem in the game, imo. just hope it doesn't stay in much longer

    *edit* messed up the quote function...derp
    Good morning Ark Hunters

    It's entirely possible Darth that I just didn't notice until after one of the patches, so I'll assume that everyone who has said it's been there since day one is correct and I am mistaken. Don't worry about being " that guy " we're all trying to be " that guy ( or gal ) " and get this fixed so I'm not offended, I am happy for the constructive criticism, as I hope that the Defiance team will be when they read this thread. I intend to post a link of this thread to the responses Mr. Richardsson's blog.

    Bump again for another day. If people have friends who use the forums and have this problem, please tell them where to find this thread and add their voice. We use exactly this method to fix this problem and we just have to work together.

    Cheers guys
  • 04-11-2013, 10:14 AM
    Glenn
    Multiple loadouts only work for me if I want them to all have the same EGO power, perks and outfit.

    On PC and I've had this bug since release day. It's super freaking annoying, renders multiple loadouts useless.

    Edit: And while you're fixing this Devs, can we have a Keybinding to switch between loadouts?
  • 04-11-2013, 10:21 AM
    Cervid
    I still don't understand how this made it to launch, and is not fixed in the first big patch. Unlike others on here, I do consider it game breaking. We don't have classes, we have EGO's and loadouts. It's total crap that I can't have a loadout for all 4 EGO powers with each loadout having perks related specifically to the EGO in that loadout.

    I will try the PvP workaround though.. Thanks! Hopefully it works.
  • 04-11-2013, 10:31 AM
    Meenkie
    I was in the Alpha testing for Defiance and I'm also getting this bug on the 360.

    For anyone who is curious, this bug never happened in any of the Alpha builds I took place in. There were other REALLY odd ones...but this wasn't one of them.

    My best guess is that this bug stems from the ongoing problems they are having with the server lag and data transfers. Somewhere along the line, the server doesn't see that you have different loadouts and blends them all together, or as you swap it doesn't update the info correctly and leaves part of the previous loadout in the same slot.

    Sure, it's annoying...but they DO know of the bug and are fixing it.
    http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...421#post286421

    Hang in there. Until it's straightened out I'm just using the loot boosts and DEF boosts on every loadout. Sure, it's not that flashy or specialized...but it's solid.
  • 04-11-2013, 10:37 AM
    B_Draco
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Meenkie View Post
    I was in the Alpha testing for Defiance and I'm also getting this bug on the 360.

    For anyone who is curious, this bug never happened in any of the Alpha builds I took place in. There were other REALLY odd ones...but this wasn't one of them.

    My best guess is that this bug stems from the ongoing problems they are having with the server lag and data transfers. Somewhere along the line, the server doesn't see that you have different loadouts and blends them all together, or as you swap it doesn't update the info correctly and leaves part of the previous loadout in the same slot.

    Sure, it's annoying...but they DO know of the bug and are fixing it.
    http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...421#post286421

    Hang in there. Until it's straightened out I'm just using the loot boosts and DEF boosts on every loadout. Sure, it's not that flashy or specialized...but it's solid.

    I've looked down that list several times but I don't see the details of this glitch.
  • 04-11-2013, 10:38 AM
    Gabryal
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    Multiple loadouts only work for me if I want them to all have the same EGO power, perks and outfit.

    On PC and I've had this bug since release day. It's super freaking annoying, renders multiple loadouts useless.

    Edit: And while you're fixing this Devs, can we have a Keybinding to switch between loadouts?

    I've been begging for a keybind for loadout switches since the Betas, hopefully we'll get one one day, and I wonder what the Patch did to the Ego Grid. I will have to look at it when I play here in a little bit.
  • 04-11-2013, 10:41 AM
    Stoned Soldier
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mavor View Post
    So Ive been using three seperate loadouts for most of the game now - had no problems changing back and forth. All three have different outfits and different gear loadouts but they all had the same perks and power.

    The problem started tonight when I finally bought a second power and slotted it in my third loadout.

    When I switched to the third loadout from either of the first two - it would copy the outfit and perks. If I switched from the third (which now has the copied outfit/perks) to another loadout that has something different - it would again copy it to that loadout. The process basically would go on forever. The loadout with the second power copies whatever loadout I change from and then it copies itself to whatever loadout I change to, from it.

    This, naturally, completely destroys the point of having multiple loadouts. Very annoying bug - anyone else encounter this?

    where were you all when I was putting this up during beta, then launch, and now still nothing. finally you all have more than one Power and atleast 4 Perks so now you all experience the same thing as me. And guess what there is nothing about it in the Upcoming patch so looks like you have to keep your same perks in each loadout unless you want to individually change them each time you switch loadouts or go in or out of any match making.
  • 04-11-2013, 10:43 AM
    Stoned Soldier
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gabryal View Post
    I've been begging for a keybind for loadout switches since the Betas, hopefully we'll get one one day, and I wonder what the Patch did to the Ego Grid. I will have to look at it when I play here in a little bit.

    I believe those patch notes are for the big Apr. 15th update.
  • 04-11-2013, 10:48 AM
    reciprocate
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Meenkie View Post
    I was in the Alpha testing for Defiance and I'm also getting this bug on the 360.

    For anyone who is curious, this bug never happened in any of the Alpha builds I took place in. There were other REALLY odd ones...but this wasn't one of them.

    My best guess is that this bug stems from the ongoing problems they are having with the server lag and data transfers. Somewhere along the line, the server doesn't see that you have different loadouts and blends them all together, or as you swap it doesn't update the info correctly and leaves part of the previous loadout in the same slot.

    Sure, it's annoying...but they DO know of the bug and are fixing it.
    http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...421#post286421

    Hang in there. Until it's straightened out I'm just using the loot boosts and DEF boosts on every loadout. Sure, it's not that flashy or specialized...but it's solid.

    Don't notice it in this draft of patch notes regarding that specific issue. Hopefully future drafts or when the actual big patch does hit, this issue will be resolved.
  • 04-11-2013, 10:58 AM
    Gabryal
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Stoned Soldier View Post
    where were you all when I was putting this up during beta, then launch, and now still nothing. finally you all have more than one Power and atleast 4 Perks so now you all experience the same thing as me. And guess what there is nothing about it in the Upcoming patch so looks like you have to keep your same perks in each loadout unless you want to individually change them each time you switch loadouts or go in or out of any match making.

    I actually don't recall this bug in Beta, but I wasn't on the forums then either. I have to say that my ignorance of this bug in the Beta's ( I wasn't in the Alpha ) is my own bad, that we are addressing this now however is the important thing. Some of us, myself included, may be late to the party, but we are here now.

    Edit: Is it just me or is this bug fixed? I just tried it and it's not switching back yet, am I the only one or should I expect this to go back to the way it was?
  • 04-11-2013, 10:59 AM
    Fenric
    I really hope they do fix this in the upcoming big patch. I'm far enough into the EGO ranks now that I have 3 of the powers maxed out with the supporting perks for each, but I haven't even used the others because it seems impossible to get the perks to stay set.

    A keybind for changing loadouts would be great as mentioned above.
  • 04-11-2013, 11:34 AM
    P4NCH0theD0G
    Xbox 360

    Okay, I really hate to say this, but my perks stopped copying each other. I now have three loadouts and four perks, and I can change, unlock and upgrade them even outside of PvP without a problem.

    After having done this here: http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...l=1#post289668 last night, my perks stopped copying each other, and today they didn't either.

    In short, try setting up / changing your perks for each Loadout once in the Loadout Screen of a Competitive Map PvP Quick Match, then play that game and finish it until you get back to exploring. After I did that, my perks and loadouts remained the same, even with different EGO powers in two of the three.

    I do hope this works for you as well.
  • 04-11-2013, 12:10 PM
    P4NCH0theD0G
    Posted a thread with a possible workaround here: http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...ching-Loadouts where all the info is in one post.
  • 04-11-2013, 12:39 PM
    Kryopsis
    Today's patch actually fixed the issue for me, despite nothing being mentioned in the patch notes.
  • 04-11-2013, 01:41 PM
    Gabryal
    So far it has for me as well, outfits are working as well, and I have 3 different builds, if this continues... well we'll have got our message heard and that is wonderful. The only thing to do then is to move to suggestions for the hotkey for loadouts ;)
  • 04-11-2013, 02:44 PM
    P4NCH0theD0G
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gabryal View Post
    The only thing to do then is to move to suggestions for the hotkey for loadouts ;)

    Need a shortcut for changing load outs

    Good to hear the loadout issue was fixed.
  • 04-11-2013, 02:52 PM
    Darth Haighter
    [QUOTE=Gabryal;290478][QUOTE=Darth Haighter;287632]
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gabryal View Post

    It's entirely possible Darth that I just didn't notice until after one of the patches, so I'll assume that everyone who has said it's been there since day one is correct and I am mistaken. Don't worry about being " that guy " we're all trying to be " that guy ( or gal ) " and get this fixed so I'm not offended, I am happy for the constructive criticism, as I hope that the Defiance team will be when they read this thread.

    Cheers Gab!
  • 04-11-2013, 02:58 PM
    Darth Haighter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kryopsis View Post
    Today's patch actually fixed the issue for me, despite nothing being mentioned in the patch notes.

    was that on PC? gonna sign in on xbox in a minute...will post results
  • 04-11-2013, 03:06 PM
    Darth Haighter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Darth Haighter View Post
    was that on PC? gonna sign in on xbox in a minute...will post results

    seems that perks and outfits are binding on xbox now! hope this is a sign that it has been fixed for good. Keep the thread going for a bit just in case something goes wrong, but thanks Gabryal for starting the post, and thank you Trion for finally (no negative inflection implied) fixing this bothersome glitch! Can't wait to play the game "for real" now!
  • 04-11-2013, 03:14 PM
    Gabryal
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Darth Haighter View Post
    seems that perks and outfits are binding on xbox now! hope this is a sign that it has been fixed for good. Keep the thread going for a bit just in case something goes wrong, but thanks Gabryal for starting the post, and thank you Trion for finally (no negative inflection implied) fixing this bothersome glitch! Can't wait to play the game "for real" now!

    Thank you Darth :) However I didn't start this thread, it was Mavor, I jumped on because I had a similar thread and wanted to consolidate so all credit to him. Thank you though, and thanks to everyone who contributed. Now let's send feedback to the Defiance team for the hotkeys, and everyone pat yourself on the back for speaking out on this issue. It seems this thread helped bring about the fix and in not only under 200 posts but under 150 :)
  • 04-11-2013, 03:21 PM
    Darth Haighter
    ps- Thank you Trion for the 167 hours of bonuses! To everyone who gave up on this awesome game: patience is a virtue, and is rewarded by BIG BONUS! awesome! Thanks again Trion and everyone who chimed in.

    "Adventure? Excitement? *heh* A jedi craves not these things, but Ark Hunters ain't exactly jedi, are we?"


    pss- Thanks Mavor for starting the thread
  • 04-11-2013, 03:21 PM
    Derity
    Yeah this happens to me too!

    Really annoying having to change my loadouts every time I switch between them.

    Also the final perk slot just unequips itself...
  • 04-11-2013, 03:22 PM
    jazz
    good news, I'll check and see if the problem is fixed for me on PC

    I was getting a little discouraged because I didn't see any mention of a fix in the patch today or in the patch notes for upcoming client patch next week

    I will gladly accept the fix though even if it was a stealth fix from Trion :eek:
  • 04-11-2013, 03:53 PM
    RequiemPrime
    Just checked myself and my first 3 loadouts are sticking. This is great. And I just unlocked a fourth so I can't wait set it up.
  • 04-12-2013, 10:58 AM
    IGears
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jazz View Post
    good news, I'll check and see if the problem is fixed for me on PC

    I was getting a little discouraged because I didn't see any mention of a fix in the patch today or in the patch notes for upcoming client patch next week

    I will gladly accept the fix though even if it was a stealth fix from Trion :eek:

    yeah i noticed it last night when i was playing... thanks Trion
  • 04-12-2013, 02:17 PM
    Mavor
    Ah heck I gotta jump in and see if its working for me =D
  • 04-12-2013, 10:58 PM
    Galactimus
    Problem has been solved. Thread can be closed (^_^)v
  • 04-13-2013, 12:14 AM
    Mavor
    Yup, they're working like a charm! Huzzah!
  • 04-13-2013, 09:22 PM
    Katastrophie
    Yup, checked it out after getting home from working yesterday morning & its finally fixed! They snuck the fix in w/o telling anyone, sneaky sneaky Trion, but thank you!
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