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  • 04-05-2013, 06:43 AM
    MegaGame
    Trion what is wrong with you?
    I like Rift, and I kind of liek this game, but I have to ask myself.

    Did any from Rift work on this? and by work I mean ppl actual making the game, and not just some PR front person.
    Why Do I ask, as it seem every thing you learn from Rift has been forgotten.

    UI, copyed UI from Rift to this woud have been better then what you current have. Other mous aiming online/mmo games have a nice little thing called mouse-toggle, you shoud look it up, so you coud have a "normal" UI and still have mouse aim. Now I dont have anything in itself against the current UI, just it does not work. Why not have all the menu tabs in top insted of dividing it up?
    Why so bad hotkey system?

    Chat is current a system that tell me what respawn point I am bound to, I cant use it for something els, as I have no control over it.
    Cant talk to my friends, and on subject friends, why can I only add ppl that is current online?

    ArkFall, I like arkfall, I dont care that they are a cheaper version of rifts from Rift, I can see them grow as the game go forward. But why no open group system? We can reviev and heal other players, but you make it so hard to see how needs help.

    Physics in this game reminds me of some of the first real 3D games, with the jumping and driving, after a boost, you get to normal speed as soon as you stop boosting. it seem to make the engine sound for going faster when you are going down hill without you press W? hitting the corner of some small thing only to go staigt up in the air..... jumping is just wierd, it feels/looks like a bad mario game clone in that part.

    Co-op, good idea, but compare to the dungeon/lfg system from Rift, I feel like there is missing something, and dont mean in gameplay.

    Info, you give players a mission to press some object, but in real you have to kill like 40 mobs first, but you are not told, sometimes even worse, all the mobs do not spawn by themself, you have to walk somewhere to trigger the event to spawn, but sometimes that means you have to walk away from the item you hade to get to.

    Mob spawning, I do like that mobs do not just spawn out of the blue, the comming out of doors, underground thing is cool. But it also brings a problem with you spawn system, as you can have clear area, so you back is free, only to have 10 mobs com out of 2 cars behind you, becouse that is how the system said is has to do, becouse you did not enter the area that way the devs meant you to do. So the whole sneak in and take out the mobs goes to hell as you kill the last mob at front gate, all other mobs spawn around you. Sometimes if feel like a on-rails-shooter, where someone forgot to tell me where the rails are.

    Agree with me, flame me, whine. tell me this a new game, be a fanboy, Doesnt matter, Just me venting, and tread is forgotten in like less then 24hours.

    I like a mmo pve shooter like this to do good so I can play it, I just hope Trion pulls them self together and start making this a pc game insted of a bad port game.
  • 04-05-2013, 06:46 AM
    scruffyhobbit
    1 word answers all your issues..

    ported

    i hope it's just because they wanted to make the deadlines, I hope now that it is out, they start patching and having this resemble an actual PC title.
  • 04-05-2013, 06:47 AM
    Pruney
    It's due to the fact that it had to work on PS3 and Xbox

    Also I don't think anyone from RIFT worked on this it may be a new team.
  • 04-05-2013, 06:50 AM
    Exes
    Yeah I'm pretty sure most of the Defiance team is not from the Rift team. Regardless the game is fun and I can see it become really great if they keep working on it. Also waiting for the first episode to see how the game progresses with it.

    Keep up the work Trion.
  • 04-05-2013, 06:57 AM
    MegaGame
    I also hope they keep working in it, so we someday have a pc game and not some consol port game where my pc is just a bad emulatetor.
  • 04-05-2013, 07:09 AM
    Garbol
    For me the game at this stage is pretty avrage at best.

    Here is why:

    - Completely dumb UI design (not designed for PC then why it is on PC? ).
    - Graphics aren't that great (MMO's tend to have a lot of graphics options again using RIFT as example).
    - Neither is sound.
    - The game dosen't do a good job at explaining it's objecives. I know what I was supposed to do in Rift but here not so much ( I can't track easily contracts for example).
    - Little to no player interaction.
    - Completing a Main mission or Episodic mission reveals 5+ side-missions that lead you to the same area that you aslready did at least 3+ missions.
    - Enemies are sometimes able to shoot you trough cover ( granted it will probbably get fixed)

    My biggest issue: This game dosen't feel like a PC game, starting from UI to end on graphics and sound quality and even communication whit other players. Nothing to think about just run and gun, nothing to talk about, just Pray and Spray.
  • 04-05-2013, 07:11 AM
    Gohlar
    Press Enter for mouse toggle. When you open the chat the mouse appears.
  • 04-05-2013, 07:13 AM
    MegaGame
    forgot about sound, had to turn of music as it keep playing the "3 tones" from combat music, now the combat music is good at getting you pumped and making you know mobs are around, but it is not good hearing it for like half a hour.....
  • 04-05-2013, 07:15 AM
    MegaGame
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gohlar View Post
    Press Enter for mouse toggle. When you open the chat the mouse appears.

    yes and what do you want to do with the mouse now you have it? the idea of a mouse toggle is to have something usefull to click on, not just have the mouse.
  • 04-05-2013, 07:19 AM
    Taaltos
    Well, considering Trion let 1/3 of the Rift team go after Storm Legion released, in short, no.

    Two completely different game types as well.
  • 04-05-2013, 07:25 AM
    Exes
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MegaGame View Post
    forgot about sound, had to turn of music as it keep playing the "3 tones" from combat music, now the combat music is good at getting you pumped and making you know mobs are around, but it is not good hearing it for like half a hour.....

    The thing is once started, it just never stops:p
  • 04-05-2013, 07:58 AM
    Rend
    I agree with you 100%.

    How did no one at Trion (who, keep in mind, already made a big MMO) realize, that so crucial things like a ****ing CHAT SYSTEM (are you kidding me?), or a proper UI navigation (the UI is a bad joke. Just a ****ing bad joke) are essential for an MMO? It is beyond me.

    How did this even get out of beta the way way it is?
    (Deadline, I know. Do not have a deadline though, if you cannot make it. IMO they suffer a lot more damage now, than if they would have held it back until it is a properly finished product.)

    Look, we all get it. Server/Login/DC/hell even missing preorder items issues, are all things which are normal and OK on a freshly launched MMO title. These things can, and will always get fixed quite quickly.
    But getting essential mechanics and features wrong is not acceptable, nor should it ever have went live from a company like Trion in my honest opinion.
    The real problem I see with this is, that it will take a long time until we see any changes in regards to the big things, like chat or UI etc. Clearly there isnīt anything else in place, otherwise that would have been used.
    That means they need to start from scratch, and who knows if that even is a high priority for them atm.
    Some of these problems are no minor issues, and will drive ppl away from the game. And this is essentially what I am scared of, because I would love to see this game working out.

    I hope, that all these things will be fixed in future patches. Hopefully sooner than later.

    I will say one more thing:
    I am not sure about which platform has the highest and most dedicated playerbase in the long run.
    Letīs not kid ourselves, it is most definitely the PC.
    And starting out, having a really bad port, was a bad idea.

    Donīt get my wrong, I really enjoy the game. I love it actually.
    But damn, addressed things from OP are mandatory to be fixed in order to keep ppl playing.
  • 04-05-2013, 08:01 AM
    Taaltos
    ZOMG! Read the Developer blog. OMG THE BEEES THE BEEEEEEES GRABABALALAOBAB (Nic Cage bat**** insane moment).

    http://community.defiance.com/en/

    THEY KNOW!
  • 04-05-2013, 08:06 AM
    ironhands
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MegaGame View Post
    Other mous aiming online/mmo games have a nice little thing called mouse-toggle, you shoud look it up, so you coud have a "normal" UI and still have mouse aim.

    press ~
    you should check your facts, it's there, but hasn't been implemented into the UI at this point.
  • 04-05-2013, 08:17 AM
    EdgeTW
    This is a mistake I saw being made repeatedly over Defiance's development - too many people assuming a game being developed by Trion is a game being developed by the same people involved in Rift, and it's just not the case.

    It is this same kind of unfortunate thinking that led to SWTOR being the the disappointment that it is, because it was impossible to make a criticism about SWTOR during development without hordes of angry Bioware fans rushing to the game's defense, despite the fact that SWTOR was developed by a completely new studio staffed by people who had never worked on a Bioware project before in their life.
  • 04-05-2013, 08:29 AM
    Rend
    Your argument is not valid. Afterall the game is created, developed and produced by Trion.
    May it be a new staff or not. The company itself, the brand released the game.
    And you cannot tell me, that on the second big game they make, they take no knowledge or knowhow from their first big game (Rift) with them whatsoever. That is like shooting yourself into the knee for no apparent reason.

    New staff, or not new staff. No one cares about that in the end. People want a functioning game ultimately. No matter what company, staff, CEO or whatever the balls you want to think about is behind its creation.

    The only reason why the name Trion and Rift comes up from time to time, is because people (like me) just cannot understand why they wouldnīt use their already knowledge and knowhow on such a big game release and just fail on highly critical and important things, like a Chat system or the pathetic UI.
  • 04-05-2013, 08:36 AM
    DC Zero
    The UI is not bad. I kind of like it after figuring out where everything is at. It has a console design to it but it works okay for PC too. I wouldn't want the traditional mmo UI for this game since its a shooter. It would be a pain to stop, go into mouse pointer mode, click on whichever tiny icon you need to bring up the menu you want. Now you can do the same thing by just pressing control or esc, and you dont have all those little icons cluttering up your screen.
  • 04-05-2013, 08:38 AM
    Jardian
    For once PC is getting a title built for gameing systems not PC mainly. I dont see the problem of why some of you think you should get better or diffrent than this and that of the other systems. So just understand your not the main focus for once and get over it. You are not going to see alot of changes that cant be done on the PS3 or the Xbox.

    Also what they learned making Rift dont help as much as you might think when it comes to a game like this one. Its two or in this case 3 diffrent creatures.
  • 04-05-2013, 08:40 AM
    Pruney
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jardian View Post
    For once PC is getting a title built for gameing systems not PC mainly. I dont see the problem of why some of you think you should get better or diffrent than this and that of the other systems. So just understand your not the main focus for once and get over it. You are not going to see alot of changes that cant be done on the PS3 or the Xbox.

    Also what they learned making Rift dont help as much as you might think when it comes to a game like this one. Its two or in this case 3 diffrent creatures.

    PC is a totally different system to Consoles

    We have more features, which have been stripped
    Better graphics, which have been stripped
    Stability Issues, thanks to porting

    The PC games quality has been lowered dramatically because it has been ported to Xbox and PS3.
  • 04-05-2013, 08:42 AM
    scruffyhobbit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Taaltos View Post
    ZOMG! Read the Developer blog. OMG THE BEEES THE BEEEEEEES GRABABALALAOBAB (Nic Cage bat**** insane moment).

    http://community.defiance.com/en/

    THEY KNOW!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J2kc4oZTVU
  • 04-05-2013, 08:44 AM
    Taaltos
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scruffyhobbit View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J2kc4oZTVU

    LMAO! Even better than the Nic Cage. xD I forgot about this episode.


    xD

    Can't wait for the new Season on Netflix!
  • 04-05-2013, 08:47 AM
    Vindene Evantyr
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Garbol View Post
    For me the game at this stage is pretty avrage at best.

    Here is why:

    - Completely dumb UI design (not designed for PC then why it is on PC? ).
    - Graphics aren't that great (MMO's tend to have a lot of graphics options again using RIFT as example).
    - Neither is sound.
    - The game dosen't do a good job at explaining it's objecives. I know what I was supposed to do in Rift but here not so much ( I can't track easily contracts for example).
    - Little to no player interaction.
    - Completing a Main mission or Episodic mission reveals 5+ side-missions that lead you to the same area that you aslready did at least 3+ missions.
    - Enemies are sometimes able to shoot you trough cover ( granted it will probbably get fixed)

    My biggest issue: This game dosen't feel like a PC game, starting from UI to end on graphics and sound quality and even communication whit other players. Nothing to think about just run and gun, nothing to talk about, just Pray and Spray.

    UI: I agree. We cannot turn from the back of out character (that i have found?)or turn off the UI for screenshots. Nothing major but it is annoying at the same time.

    Graphics:... i'm not going to say anything. Upgraded my video card the day after it came out because running the game on 800x600 reso on the lowest video settings possible made the game look like minecraft, now i run it at full resolution for my monitor, with full graphics and thinkt eh game is beautiful. Sure not as shiny as some but it is still amazing.

    The voicechat: Crap... i'' stick to ventrilo/mumble/teamspeak thanks.
    Sound in general: Some sounds don't make sense, but overall the are good.

    The gameplay/tutorial: It shows you how to use ego powers and that is it. Played beta and didn't know there was fast travel until day 2 of release.

    Player interaction: meh... You have to give some to get some. Or be like me and only use other people as bullet soakers so i can run into the shadows, cloak then KS them with a shotgun/sniper rifle O.o. JK, but really the player interaction needs work but so do the players.

    Missions: Not seeing your point. this is standard MMO questing. you unlock quest hubs, go quest the area out, do another "major quest" then go do somemore in the same area.

    Enemies:... not seeing it. It's pretty OP that you can put an object on your left, crouch and aim around where so you can hit them but they cant hit you... only fair if they get some lucky shots in. What is irritating is we get knocked down and they dont.

    If your running and gunning, praying and spraying i'd say your either incapacitated ALOT or have gotten lucky with your shield drops. Personally, i can take 1-3 mobs no prob... after that it starts getting more duck and weave to cover, cloak to recharge and alot of hit and retreat tactics.
  • 04-05-2013, 08:48 AM
    Rend
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jardian View Post
    For once PC is getting a title built for gameing systems not PC mainly. I dont see the problem of why some of you think you should get better or diffrent than this and that of the other systems. So just understand your not the main focus for once and get over it. You are not going to see alot of changes that cant be done on the PS3 or the Xbox.

    Also what they learned making Rift dont help as much as you might think when it comes to a game like this one. Its two or in this case 3 diffrent creatures.


    Look. No one says, that the PC version should be "better".
    It is all about the user friendliness and interaction. An UI, created for a console is not optimal in use and handling for PC.
    And while chat might not be that important for you console guys, it is and always has been, from the beginning of MMOs, a defining social factor of MMOs.

    I donīt know what you want to say with your post...
  • 04-05-2013, 08:57 AM
    Vindene Evantyr
    Doesnt do much good, you cannot interact with anything/turn your camera in that mode.
  • 04-05-2013, 09:19 AM
    scruffyhobbit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Taaltos View Post
    LMAO! Even better than the Nic Cage. xD I forgot about this episode.


    xD

    Can't wait for the new Season on Netflix!


    I don't have netflix and can't justify getting it just for the show. It's annoying but I hope they do the right thing and capitalize on the DVD / Blu Ray market.
  • 04-05-2013, 11:48 AM
    MegaGame
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Taaltos View Post
    ZOMG! Read the Developer blog. OMG THE BEEES THE BEEEEEEES GRABABALALAOBAB (Nic Cage bat**** insane moment).

    http://community.defiance.com/en/

    THEY KNOW!

    and they talk about the xbox lag, and I dont care about that, not to be mean here, but I dont care about the xbox side of the game, I play the PC version.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ironhands View Post
    press ~
    you should check your facts, it's there, but hasn't been implemented into the UI at this point.

    As I said to the other guy, what use is it when it does nothing? It is like you asking for icecream and all I give you are a pic of a icecream, it is useless and not what you wanted. the point of a mouse toggle, is to be able to use the mouse, not just move the pointer around.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Exes View Post
    The thing is once started, it just never stops:p

    So Defiance combat music is like pringles?


    Seeing as consols dont play on the pc server, there is no reason to make other UI/control system to pc then consols, as it will not give pc users a leg up on the consols users.

    Talking about SWTOR, it just shows you need to have ppl how are not new at this when you are making a game under the same name. EA shoot them self in the fod by calling it all bioware, becouse now ppl excepted more, Trion did same thing, they make a game under the name Trion, ppl except it to live up to they other game, Rift.
  • 04-05-2013, 11:51 AM
    ironhands
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MegaGame View Post
    As I said to the other guy, what use is it when it does nothing? It is like you asking for icecream and all I give you are a pic of a icecream, it is useless and not what you wanted. the point of a mouse toggle, is to be able to use the mouse, not just move the pointer around.

    It demonstrates 2 things. First, that they know what it mouse toggle is, since you suggested they didn't. Second, that it's ready to be implemented and will likely be available in an improved UI soon.
  • 04-05-2013, 12:09 PM
    MegaGame
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ironhands View Post
    It demonstrates 2 things. First, that they know what it mouse toggle is, since you suggested they didn't. Second, that it's ready to be implemented and will likely be available in an improved UI soon.

    no it show someone at Trion has read step 1 of what a mouse toggle is, rest is wisefull thinking on you part.
  • 04-05-2013, 12:14 PM
    fishboy11
    i enjoy the game, i just find a lot of it to be quite a borderlands ripoff
  • 04-05-2013, 12:16 PM
    MegaGame
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by fishboy11 View Post
    i enjoy the game, i just find a lot of it to be quite a borderlands ripoff

    this one you have to explain to me deeper. I played borderlands 1, and all I see they have in common are they are a sci-fi 3.person shooter, wich woud make it a space marie 40k ripoff also.....
  • 04-05-2013, 10:32 PM
    killsh0t
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MegaGame View Post
    I like Rift, and I kind of liek this game, but I have to ask myself.

    Did any from Rift work on this? and by work I mean ppl actual making the game, and not just some PR front person.
    Why Do I ask, as it seem every thing you learn from Rift has been forgotten.

    UI, copyed UI from Rift to this woud have been better then what you current have. Other mous aiming online/mmo games have a nice little thing called mouse-toggle, you shoud look it up, so you coud have a "normal" UI and still have mouse aim. Now I dont have anything in itself against the current UI, just it does not work. Why not have all the menu tabs in top insted of dividing it up?
    Why so bad hotkey system?

    Chat is current a system that tell me what respawn point I am bound to, I cant use it for something els, as I have no control over it.
    Cant talk to my friends, and on subject friends, why can I only add ppl that is current online?

    ArkFall, I like arkfall, I dont care that they are a cheaper version of rifts from Rift, I can see them grow as the game go forward. But why no open group system? We can reviev and heal other players, but you make it so hard to see how needs help.

    Physics in this game reminds me of some of the first real 3D games, with the jumping and driving, after a boost, you get to normal speed as soon as you stop boosting. it seem to make the engine sound for going faster when you are going down hill without you press W? hitting the corner of some small thing only to go staigt up in the air..... jumping is just wierd, it feels/looks like a bad mario game clone in that part.

    Co-op, good idea, but compare to the dungeon/lfg system from Rift, I feel like there is missing something, and dont mean in gameplay.

    Info, you give players a mission to press some object, but in real you have to kill like 40 mobs first, but you are not told, sometimes even worse, all the mobs do not spawn by themself, you have to walk somewhere to trigger the event to spawn, but sometimes that means you have to walk away from the item you hade to get to.

    Mob spawning, I do like that mobs do not just spawn out of the blue, the comming out of doors, underground thing is cool. But it also brings a problem with you spawn system, as you can have clear area, so you back is free, only to have 10 mobs com out of 2 cars behind you, becouse that is how the system said is has to do, becouse you did not enter the area that way the devs meant you to do. So the whole sneak in and take out the mobs goes to hell as you kill the last mob at front gate, all other mobs spawn around you. Sometimes if feel like a on-rails-shooter, where someone forgot to tell me where the rails are.

    Agree with me, flame me, whine. tell me this a new game, be a fanboy, Doesnt matter, Just me venting, and tread is forgotten in like less then 24hours.

    I like a mmo pve shooter like this to do good so I can play it, I just hope Trion pulls them self together and start making this a pc game insted of a bad port game.

    /bump

    Terrible game play.
    Zero social interaction.
    Buggy, clunky console port.
    Story makes no sense, isn't believable, has no depth.
    npc skins voices and ai are so bad somebody should be fired (from a cannon) into the pacific ocean.
  • 04-05-2013, 11:39 PM
    Teran
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MegaGame View Post
    Did any from Rift work on this? and by work I mean ppl actual making the game, and not just some PR front person.
    Why Do I ask, as it seem every thing you learn from Rift has been forgotten.

    UI, copyed UI from Rift to this woud have been better then what you current have. Other mous aiming online/mmo games have a nice little thing called mouse-toggle, you shoud look it up, so you coud have a "normal" UI and still have mouse aim. Now I dont have anything in itself against the current UI, just it does not work. Why not have all the menu tabs in top insted of dividing it up?
    Why so bad hotkey system?

    I share a lot of your frustration with certain elements of the game however you aren't framing the question in a fair way. There is no guarantee that this game would be any better or worse based on the number of Rift developers who worked on Defiance. The reason for this is simple, Defiance is not on the same evolutionary path as Rift, that is to say Defiance is not Rift with more refined game mechanics so many of the lessons they learned with Rift simply do not apply to Defiance.

    Comparing Rift to Defiance would be like comparing a fire engine to a race car. If a team of people that developed a really well designed race car who are then given the task of designing a fire engine most of what they learned from the race car project is not very useful. Sure some elements are fundamental to all automobiles however having a fire engine that can get to the fire faster isn't helpful if its ability to fight said fire is diminished.

    Rift was created as a PC subscription based mmorpg. Defiance was created as a free to play multiplatform release and because two of the three platforms are severely limiting in terms of user interfaces the limitations are based around those two platforms. It's extremely annoying that the PC players have to suffer because of this however one must acknowledge that they are operating on a budget and that budget does not (apparently) leave much in terms of resources for customizing the PC version to take advantage of the strengths that are associated with it... so we get fewer graphical adjustment options, a terrible UI, game mechanics that are more suited for people who can't play the game for more than 20 minutes at a time, and much much more.

    The fact that the game is fun despite all this is what impresses me... I just hope they do make the game more PC friendly at some point in the future.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by killsh0t View Post
    /bump

    Terrible game play.
    Zero social interaction.
    Buggy, clunky console port.
    Story makes no sense, isn't believable, has no depth.
    npc skins voices and ai are so bad somebody should be fired (from a cannon) into the pacific ocean.

    1. Gameplay is flawed but not terrible.

    2. By far the biggest weakness in the game. We are given the choice between typing into a chat channel no one reads or notices or trying to get the voice chat to work, often with disasterous results.

    3. Yep, it is a console port... however that's because they don't have room in the budget to create two distinct version of the game so we get a compromise. Could be better, could be worse... that's how compromises work.

    4. Since when was a believable story a requirement for video games? It might not make sense but criticizing it because it's fiction is just silly.
  • 04-05-2013, 11:51 PM
    goldtupac
    You PC elitist make me sick! So what if its a "console port"... Do you really need 20483948x AA???? The game play is fun and thats what should matter. The UI is FINE as it is but could use some improvements, not any overhauls. No social interaction? Make some friends? Add people to play? Invite to clans?

    Disgusted by master race pc elitists.
  • 04-05-2013, 11:54 PM
    BlueRaith
    I wish we could have a dedicated chat box option that I could put in one of the corners of my screen. Seeing only 3 lines or so of text at a time in a place on my screen that I'm not looking at often really, really makes me miss most chats in the game.
  • 04-06-2013, 12:14 AM
    icubro
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by goldtupac View Post
    You PC elitist make me sick! So what if its a "console port"... Do you really need 20483948x AA???? The game play is fun and thats what should matter. The UI is FINE as it is but could use some improvements, not any overhauls. No social interaction? Make some friends? Add people to play? Invite to clans?

    Disgusted by master race pc elitists.

    As a member of the Glorious PC Master Race I find this a bit insulting. The fact is we of the Glorious PC Master Race do not look down on the unwashed console masses. We treasure their adorable yet dirty, inelegant, and inferior video games. The fact is that we of the Glorious PC Master Race do not suffer from unwashed console ports. Please, in the future, refrain from attacking your Superiors because we would never do the same to you.

    Love and Kisses.
  • 04-06-2013, 12:16 AM
    Nexos_Arc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by goldtupac View Post
    You PC elitist make me sick! So what if its a "console port"... Disgusted by master race pc elitists.

    If I need 8 clicks - if i recall correctly - for every single item to salvage something is wrong.
    multi-item salvage not possible either ... afaik.

    think it goes like this ...
    - select salvage matrix
    - select item
    - 2x click item
    - 2x click salvage
    - start process
    - are you sure

    not that you need to salvage often, LOL

    and don't mention the chat system.

    anyway, i like the game so far, but to say UI is "acceptable" is ....
    +fix social part of the game and this can be a real winner.
    thx.
  • 04-06-2013, 01:31 AM
    MegaGame
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Teran View Post
    I share a lot of your frustration with certain elements of the game however you aren't framing the question in a fair way. There is no guarantee that this game would be any better or worse based on the number of Rift developers who worked on Defiance. The reason for this is simple, Defiance is not on the same evolutionary path as Rift, that is to say Defiance is not Rift with more refined game mechanics so many of the lessons they learned with Rift simply do not apply to Defiance.

    Not comparing the 2 games in term of gameplay/mechanics, but in the UI, mob spawn, the mission info. Yes they have stuff to learn about making a 3.person shooter, but the mmo part of the game, I expect to been better.

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    Originally Posted by goldtupac View Post
    You PC elitist make me sick! So what if its a "console port"... Do you really need 20483948x AA???? The game play is fun and thats what should matter. The UI is FINE as it is but could use some improvements, not any overhauls. No social interaction? Make some friends? Add people to play? Invite to clans?

    Disgusted by master race pc elitists.

    Who is talking about AA? what good does friends do if you cant sent them a tell? even to and a friend, you have to have talk to them ouf of game to know if they are online, as you cant add offline friends, a system is useless if you have to use an other system to use the first system. Clans good idea, look at rift and how easy it is to find guilds there and then look at this game.

    You are the one being an elitists, you complain about we want the same level as support as the consols have, as the system are build for consols, then we the pc ppl also want that level of support, you are the one that wants to witheld the pc ppl the same rights.
  • 04-06-2013, 01:32 AM
    ExpiredLifetime
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    Originally Posted by Nexos_Arc View Post
    If I need 8 clicks - if i recall correctly - for every single item to salvage something is wrong.
    multi-item salvage not possible either ... afaik.

    think it goes like this ...
    - select salvage matrix
    - select item
    - 2x click item
    - 2x click salvage
    - start process
    - are you sure

    not that you need to salvage often, LOL

    and don't mention the chat system.

    anyway, i like the game so far, but to say UI is "acceptable" is ....
    +fix social part of the game and this can be a real winner.
    thx.

    Your enter key does the same thing as clicking or double clicking. Once you get into the habit of using that, its really not that big of a deal.
  • 04-06-2013, 01:37 AM
    Commander
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MegaGame View Post

    Chat is current a system that tell me what respawn point I am bound to, I cant use it for something els, as I have no control over it.
    Cant talk to my friends, and on subject friends, why can I only add ppl that is current online?

    +1
    The Chat is actually a total gamebreaker. We have here an MMO, a game where you play with other people, and you CAN'T* chat ingame with them or see what they are talking to you.


    *The developers made some obsucre chat, but it is not usable! Look at every other MMO, or even at the cheapest korean F2P MMos. They all have better Chats.
    You need a Chat-Window on your screen, where you can see what people are talking. And even in the F2P MMos this is normally fully configurable, with how many lines of chat you want to see and how many chat windows (area, server, clan-chat).
  • 04-06-2013, 01:51 AM
    Ballzz
    Have to agree with the OP on this. I sure expected a lot more from Trion. It doesn't matter if it's a different team. To deviate so far from the quality level of Rift is very disappointing. The analogy of a race car and a fire truck is way off. There are certain fundamental elements across MMOs that should be standard at this point. If you can't improve on them at least make them as good as what came before you. Don't make them WORSE and if you can't do that because you are trying to do a multi-platform release maybe you should reconsider that plan? Broader appeal is worthless if nobody sticks around to play.

    This could have been so much more than it is. This UI is pitiful. The chat system is unusable. I still haven't figured out how to even send anyone a "tell" in game because it gives zero feedback as to what I just entered (not that anyone would see it or respond). To get an invite to my clan it took someone traveling to me, inviting me to a group (take like 5 sub menus to accept group invite) and THEN he can invite me to clan (another 5 deep sub menu click fest to accept). There are like 50 different windows and screens and really the whole thing is just a hot jumbled mess. Never seen a UI this bad in any game..and that includes SWTOR which was pretty bad. The physics is terrible. The jumping almost seems like a joke and the vehicle physics is pretty bad.

    I have to say that I have a console and like console games. I have never been one to join in the console vs PC banter because I like both and think they both have their advantages and disadvantages. However, this game has made me reconsider. If games are going to keep going in this direction where there is just one half-*** game for console and PC then I would rather they focus on one or the other and if I have to pick one I'm going with PC. I would rather have seen this as a console only MMO or something..at least they could have focused on what it really is..which is a console game with a really bad PC port.

    It's not all bad. The game is pretty fun despite all this which is the only reason I bothered posting. Maybe something will get fixed but I'm not holding my breath and I'm sure glad I didn't purchase the season pass. I'm guessing many others are in the same boat. It's too bad the game itself is putting up so many barriers to it's enjoyment.

    signed,
    Reluctant New Glorious PC Master Race Member
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