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Oh? Its just so simple isn't it.. like not putting much thought into responses. To sell the ones I've already spent time (sometimes months), scrip, and headaches acquiring mods for? Sell the ones I've spent countless arkforge ugrading the ego on or remastering (in often futile attempts) to get a non-useless roll out of and am possibly finally happy with? Just so i can do it all over again? NO THANK YOU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smokey Black
What? It may be my poor english but this makes no sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrdr
Trion, the ultimate trolls lol.
It means that everyone wants to be special and not be negatively effected by RNGesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by TNO
You sound like a real high and mighty prick. I've probably done just as much shooting as you. And you should know that that doesn't even matter. But you thought it sounded cute, didn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrdr
Tell me then, what SHOULD I do with two of the same weapon? On my main character? This has nothing to do with low ego toon farming. For me its about being able to trade weapons you don't want or can't use. In turn making the scrip to buy or flat out trade for something you CAN use. But with the items untradeable, it DOES screw players who have the unfortunate luck of pulling doubles. Of course you don't care cuz it wasn't you.
I mean, I came in with like 6 of the near 30 jackpot weapons available for this event, and still can't get anything different.. and there's no recourse. So the system implemented to make SURE we get something worthwhile for our time spent arkhunting.. something they actually did right.. is now wrong. Just like the rest of the game.
I don't mind having multiples of the same weapon sometimes because having different masteries and mods for different situations. Albeit, getting 3 beezles seems a little absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tura Satana
Trion should at least wait until armistice is over before they implement this stupid patch! Please be considerate!
Well I get my last weekly "reward" tomorrow and I'm totally expecting to get something I already have again. In which case I'm gonna go postal. The one person you will see at the arkfalls, glowing red, it will be me.Quote:
Originally Posted by konstantinov
I honestly don't care about farming weapons on my low ego toons. Just make the weapons tradeable. For CC the first weapon I pulled was the Heartseeker. It was cool but i don't really snipe except for fun on occasion. I simply traded it to a friend for Fates Kiss and everyone was happy! You know what I pulled the second time? The heartseeker again. But I sold it or traded it, I don't even remember, for something else. Everyone was happy. Then come to find out another friend wanted a heart seeker, so I had to find another one, cuz I really wanted them to have one cuz they love sniping. But anyway my point is if you got something you couldn't use you had the opportunity to turn it into something you could be happy with. Now that's gone and we're stuck with whatever random hell gives us.
This is a forum.a appropriate place to offer feed back.I don't know why but some one always has to try and make it a f2p vs old school day oners,or justify the grievance with the fact that trion needs to be profitably.if you want to defend trions position start your own post .call it complaining about people complaining about the underhanded tactics that they forget to mention that might severly affect the way people play and spend money on defiance.yiu can shorten it a bit if it's too long.it is possible to make money and keep your clients happy.I don't think people would have played this hard and bought as many inventory slots and characters if they had been open about the subtle changes trion made.my self, I'd pay them to leave the game the way it was.I am a beta tester and an ultimate preorder complete dlc owner and have spent an embarrassing amount on digital items in the game if you want my background.I understand when changes in the game get you frustrated.what drives me nuts are the people that complain about the complaining.They are entitled to express their unhappiness.you obviously feel entitled to play devil's advocate and defend trions moves and push them past going postal.feed back is good.doesnt always make changes.if you don't let them know you dont like it they will continue to walk all over you.yes we have the ability to choose to play or not.just as you too can read posts other than complaints.meh!
I'll be on the lookout for the person with jazz hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tura Satana
http://i.imgur.com/qET9xEX.jpg
Lol!!
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These so called free items are the equivalent of a free cell phone that they forget to mention it doesn't come with a charger until you buy it. then tell you you can only get it through them.is that really a free phone ? Are they really giving us free stuff if you buy inventory slots ,extra characters,extra copies of the game for friends.the changes that they slipped in were intended to prevent players from circumventing bit boxes.but isn't there a better way to get people to bit boxes.trions tactics are more of a kick in the nuts than an adjustment.for the most part the defiance players are hardcore defiance devotees.we love the game.be more respectful of your clients .increase the price of the patrons pass or make an old roll lock box ,sell us cool stuff.making these changes and telling us your giving us free stuff is deceptive way to increase your loot.your better than that and we deserve better.
Kon. You are the best!most wittiest poster ever.the stuff you come up with always gets a smile.lmmfas.
I completely agree even though I didn't do the weekly with multiple characters because I got guns already but none the less the RNG in this game is terrible. Tell me if you wouldn't resort to using multiple characters to get jackpots if you did about 2-3 hundred majors and only getting 2 OJ's from them and the rest being nothing but blues that will NEVER be as good as an OJ even with the new roll system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bentu
Tell me, wouldn't you be just as upset seeing blues the entire event and buying their boxes in the bit store are just a huge scam considering the drops are just as bad from those as the major arkfalls.
The sad fact is that they already made the weapons untradable and also fixed the exploit. By all means do one but not the other, that just blatantly forces you to the boxes in the bits store.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cryptic Effect
Exactly, but they don't seem to get it, that not everybody wants to put real money into something that gives nothing of use almost 90% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bentu
Another thing I'm upset about is the fact that I bought a corporate espionage box for 1 mil scrip and 48 keys and the one time the RNG gives me something I want, which was the EMERALD SOLDIER outfit, I went to my inventory to put it on and it wasn't there. So, I submitted a ticket regarding my issue and I got a response basically telling me I was full of crap and didn't get the outfit even though it was in my rewards tab in english, but hey what do I know I only the customer playing this craptastic game that used to be a lot fun because it actually felt like a chase for better loot. Now, it just feels like a big chase for our wallets even more than it did before.
Now all the high ego farmers will have to spend money on forge to level up their named. Someone probably said this already but I admit, I didn'tdfeel like reading the entire thread. Sue me.
forget that I'll just run expert co-ops until I get carpal tunnel before I give them a dime. $20=1 weapon upgrade or Weapon EGO increase by 2000 EGO.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUPREEM
My opinion not worth $20.
Honestly if the game keeps going this route, I think the show may outlast the game.
we have said many times if they just lower the cost of items in the bit store more people would buy bits because more people could afford them but they continue to ignore that fact. :p
Be love? Give love? Might want to reconsider that sig or this line. Take a breath and relax. It's a video game. No more no less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tura Satana
You've done more shooting than me. I guarantee it. You missed my point entirely. What should you do with multiple guns? Sell the ones you can or breakdown the ones you can't...that's what everyone will do. Have I pulled doubles? Yes. It sucks but since I've already got one I don't feel bad about taking out the trash. I think of them the same way I think of all the duplicates I find at arkfalls--I can't even count how many blackened hellfire repeaters I've picked up--keep what is useful or sellable and vendor/breakdown the rest.Quote:
I've probably done just as much shooting as you. And you should know that that doesn't even matter. But you thought it sounded cute, didn't you?
Tell me then, what SHOULD I do with two of the same weapon? On my main character? This has nothing to do with low ego toon farming. For me its about being able to trade weapons you don't want or can't use. In turn making the scrip to buy or flat out trade for something you CAN use. But with the items untradeable, it DOES screw players who have the unfortunate luck of pulling doubles. Of course you don't care cuz it wasn't you.
I mean, I came in with like 6 of the near 30 jackpot weapons available for this event, and still can't get anything different.. and there's no recourse. So the system implemented to make SURE we get something worthwhile for our time spent arkhunting.. something they actually did right.. is now wrong. Just like the rest of the game.
How can a random system know exactly what you need or want? You're bound to get duplicates. As for the non-tradable aspect well if the rumours are true, and it happened because of the farming and such then it seems that those who were most vocal about it to Trion got their way--a farming roadblock that affects everyone equally.
All I'm saying is that there are so many posts blasting Trion about how greedy they are and how they owe everyone something are really unfounded if you take a step back and look at the situation. They gave the game for free--everything you need to play it successfully with the option to upgrade at a price (whether or not it's a reasonable price is subjective). Then when they don't give something away that they never intended to give away in the first place (baby toon gun farming) any more people are upset because it affects their chances at getting what they want. The problem is that they never did anything about it sooner so people came to accept and expect it.
Unfortunately everyone is now affected by it. But it's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just unexpected and a bit disheartening at first. Soon it will be the norm and then something else will be introduced (good or bad). Not being able to sell or trade an item is basically like not getting anything at all. It's a lottery--not everyone will be a winner (me included).
Edit: By the way I don't blame the farmers. As mentioned I'd have done it too bad I been around long enough and it seemed to be the norm. I don't blame anyone really. I just choose to point out the reality of the situation in a virtual world.
Yea, they did give the game for free Mrdr
Just my opinion but it would have been better if the game never went FTP because people from before FTP have seen a lot of trolls join the game that can do nothing but attack others for the way they play the game in zone chat because of using a bmg at arkfalls but hey who cares they got their way I got mine and mine is fill them with holes...
Oh and one more thing to those people that do what I just mentioned, "TOP SCORE MEANS NOTHING AT MAJORS thanks to horrible RNG."
but heres the true fact, DEFIANCE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT 2 YEARS IF IT WASN'T FOR THE VETERAN PLAYERS THAT PREORDERED AND BOUGHT THE GAME INITIALLY AND BOUGHT BITS OR THE FTP PLAYERS BUYING THINGS FROM THE BIT STORE WILLINGLY WHEN THEY COULD HAVE NOT SPENT ANY MONEY, NOT GOT THE GAME AND LET IT FAIL. SO, IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY WOULD STOP KICKING THE LITTLE GUYS IN THE GROUP THAT DON'T WANT TO BUY BITS BECAUSE I FOR ONE DON'T FEEL THAT ANYTHING IN THE BIT STORE IS WORTH IT AS FAR AS BOXES OR THE 500 AF FOR $20.
Two out of the 3 weekly rewards I already had. I hesitated for a moment then swapped my old guns out for new stuff. It might cost you to find good mods this late in the event though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tura Satana
Ya, there's a few things wrong. Primarily, I think they need to divert some creative resources to the marketing/business development team.
(a) When the new holiday came out, they stated that they were addressing the farming issue. Ok, I admit I was a bit disappointed, but understood. I decided to try it anyways, and it worked. They should not have changed this in the middle of the event. The time to do so would have been after this one and before the next one.
(b) When I got the game, it was purchased. There was no free to play. I understood I may need to pay for expansions. This is how that works. The expansions were lackluster, but I had access to some things I wouldn't otherwise have had, so that was okay. I didn't mind when it went free to play. I might have been the only one on PSN NA saying it was probably a good idea at them time. That said, F2Pers have NO RIGHT to tell me that I can't expect certain things in a FREE GAME, because it sure as hell wasn't free when I signed on.
(c) As I'm used to paying for expansions, I decided that I would give Trion some money for Alkatraz even though there was no longer any particularly good reason to do so. This is most important. I mean, the first two WoW expansions, not only did I drop a lot of money on them, but I STOOD IN LINE to give them my money. I was excited. Right now, I WANTED to give Trion some money, so I did, and I have nothing I want to spend it on. I understand the concept of open access to the content, but make me excited to give you my money. I WILL, and have given games money. But here I see no reason to. I mean, make the starter kit part of it. Give me a starter pack that has a Cyber Rig Supply Crate, 20 HRs, 20 Chip Pullers, increase my inventory cap and give me an equal number of slots by say 30, and maybe an exclusive orange jump suit or something Alkatrazy. All said, worth roughly 2140 bits but exclusive access to inventory increase and the jumpsuit. Throw that up for 25 bones and it will fly, without removing the open access concept. Whatever... they need to create more excitement in the bit store. And maybe try some packages. Take a lesson: more options decreases purchases because people can't decide what to buy so they buy nothing.
Defiance the new ebay! ;)
Its alright, my alts are leveling up quite fast with the last few events. Almost up there
Great post. Seriously. I totally agree with you here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cryptic Effect
I have to say that I likely never would have played Defiance of it wasn't free. Not because I'm cheap but because when my cousin told me about it I was deep in another game (AC4). He told me I had to check it out and that it's 100% free to play so if I didn't like it I could delete it. How could I argue with that? I downloaded it and haven't even considered playing another game since. I liked it so much I bought the ultimate edition and then some more inventory slots a couple days ago.
I guess what I'm saying is that while I agree with you, I do think a free to try before you buy option would be more ideal. This way they could make it so after X days you have to buy it or your character disappears. I think it would help Trion make money and the free trial would get people invested enough to purchase it. Of course the micro transactions would still be there but maybe be made more reasonable like so many have suggested.
Edit: I will admit that I was using this event to level my bmgs--not because I love the bmgs but because I want to max them and be done. However, I have quit using the BMG in the last week or so because so many people are getting dc'd and frozen that I didn't want to contribute to it any more than I had. I'm now using my AR and wolfhound exclusively. I'll level up my bmgs the long way when there's no event and less people online (which hopefully means more stability) because I want everyone to enjoy the event. To be honest spamming my BMG isn't as fun as shooting things in the face. FWIW I was NOT using the spanner protector--I don't wish those on anyone. It was a stingray.
You have no business addressing my sig here. I give lots of love. But I also say what I feel and this is a discussion with disgruntled parties and saying "relax its a game" is condescending, as has been your tone throughout it. A lot of us take our time spent in this game seriously. Adding the weekly reward boxes for events was their way of assuring that our time spent was not useless. And I already explained all of that, yet you keep picking things I was never talking about to address me with. I'm not talking about doubles of the crap weapons, of course i sell those without blinking. Just the jackpots.. as I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrdr
This does NOT make everyone equal as you say. It did before, when everyone had the opportunity to trade for something useful if they got doubles or whatever. Meaning whatever you pulled was ultimately useful because it could be traded or sold. Now people who pull them are just sh*t out of luck. Just like they were before they added the boxes - if the arkfalls don't give you anything.. which they frequently don't. So the boxes guaranteed that everyone could get something useful.. now they guarantee that everyone can't.
I think being called a prick does give me the right to address your seemingly hypocritical sig. I never called you any names nor did I imply you were something you're not. You've a right to say what you feel just as much as I do. I feel that people are putting blame in the wrong place as I've stated and I'm grateful that Trion provides everything to us for free even though I chose to pay for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tura Satana
As far as equality goes, i think it's levelled the playing field now. Surely it wasn't equal before or everyone would have all the jackpots and zillions in scrip. But that wasn't the case. Now everyone has a more even chance of getting (or not) all the good stuff--from the lowest ego players to the highest. Good or bad it's more even because farming won't be as easy. As for the boxes I don't see any changes. Everyone still has the possibility to get (or not) something useful. It just happens that some have better luck than others (sadly I'm not as lucky as some who have posted all kinds of awesome guns they got). But even the lucky ones have just as good a chance of getting something useless--unless we are to believe that Trion is playing favourites with us players (which would be a really ****ty thing to do IMO).
and now you got to pay for forge to ego up something good
Well you don't have to pay for it. I have just been working for it, I know it takes longer than buying it but I can not afford to pay for AF besides I am in no particular hurry to have everything done.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210
But this just isn't true. You can earn the forge without ever paying for it. Just takes longer is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210
This forum is here so we can give feedback to Trion! We are trying to help them realize what should be fixed. I hope that they will address the problem not creating another one!
Wow, the amount of idiocy and braindamage in this thread is astonishing :eek:
1)Oh sure they weren't! Thats absolutely their free good will that they're giving us **** ^^Quote:
They were in no way obligated to give us anything for free, and yet they did.
It totally is not because, if they didn't, the game would go even more down the hole :confused:
Its also absolutely free as well, i mean, it's not like any of the cash I've spent on this that's actually funding this wannabe "company" and LETTING them give me "FREE STUFF", absolutely no :)
2)- yet another stack of fail. Oh, wait, i totally forgot that one of the devs actually mentioned that it WAS a bug/hack/sploit! Yeaaaa...that's exactly what was said!Quote:
exploit / bug / hack
3)Ah, an absolutely brilliant idea, why didn't i think of it myself! I guess I'll do that for every gun that i got off the the chars sitting on purchased additional slots :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrdr
While i'm at it, ill also farm another 5700 af that it took me to master 3 ******* guns (the third is still not mastered though so the number grows).
I wish that we'd get some constructive feedback from the ppl that aren't keeping their teary eyes blindly glued to Trion's HQ, especially the ones that are playing a lot and like a lot of variety - each gun for each situation - like myself. For me, getting the guns id want was either via trading or via the weeklies (read: both). That's because the RNG is nonexistant in this game. Like mentioned, I've spent ********* of AF to re-master just 3 guns and now I'm supposed to farm even more just to bump the ego on the other ones up? And THEN farm even tons more to remaster these?
Surely a hammer must've hit you in the head.
Sadly, constructive feedback won't happen as vast majority of these ppl seem to be pretty pissed off (just like me) which excludes any constructive stuff...the rest just cba....not like Trion listens anyway.
In the end all i can see here is a bunch of trion fanbois identical to Apple fanbois.
Whatever Applie/Trion says, the fanbois sit, nod, fetch like good puppies and bark at whatever attacks their master.
Fetch!
There's no reason to have alts anymore with these two changes to how the weekly event rewards were done. I pulled garbage on my four characters during week two and three. I managed to pull one weapon I really wanted, the ghost duster, yesterday but it was using an alt, lvl 500 ego. The gun went to claims, I grabbed it on my main, it's still ego 500. That weapon is now vendor material because it can't be traded and there is no way to play enough to gather arkforge to raise this thing up 4000 lvls. Fixing things so these weapons can't be sold around or traded is one thing, doing that to the levels when it also goes to claims just kills the need to use alts totally, at least for me.
I had so much more written but erased it because people are too emotionally invested to even try to take a step back and see things for what they are. There's no point in beating a dead horse. Hopefully the "negative feedback providers" will quit beating the horse too. Or at least take out the venom first.
What Praxus07 said is spot on though. Only reason to have alts now is just for the sake of playing a different toon with no connection to the other.
The "step back and see things for what they are" would make sense if there would be something to actually see. With so much content being so broken, there's no excuse for defending any of the trion's late "fixes". If the rest of the content would be bug free and decently designed, your statements would make sense...a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrdr
I see your point but I've never known Defiance to be completely bug free lol. I think it's decently designed though. Even with the bugs I like this game more than other "polished" games--enough to spend money on it no less (more than any of my non-buggy games actually). I have to admit that it does seem like it's in a perpetual beta state. That's why I haven't even attempted an expedition yet. I'd rather have them sort them out first before I lose any reqs I have. I don't want to buy reqs if I can't tell if they're worth it because I get kicked or dc'd or one-shotted before my environment spawns. How can I know that I want to play expeditions if it's not possible? I figure it will be at least two weeks after launch before Trion begins to make progress on the new feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by jokeUsa
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Originally Posted by jokeUsa
I will agree with you on that, but who you direct it at, I do not agree with.
The only idiots that I see, are the ones complaining and crying that they can't upgrade their exploited weapons. You should all count yourselves lucky that they weren't removed from your accounts. Trion have the right to ban you all for using such an exploit, but they haven't, yet people are still crying! Either deal with it or stop playing the game.
As for people being "Fanboys" because they show support to the developers... That is the most idiotic statement of them all. This community needs more people to show their support! For those people who cry they can't exploit anymore, how about coming up with a constructive post which gives genuine feedback. Trion do listen! But I wouldn't blame them for not showing interest in such a meaningless thread such as this.
I guess I still don't understand why everyone is so upset. Trion gave you a free jackpot gun. You made more toons and got more free jackpot guns. Now you have jackpot guns that match the ego of toon you earned it on. if you don'the like the gun you got, vendor it. Farming free jackpots on new toons to exploit a glitch and be upset when it gets patched is absurd.
I think our most recent white knight (i was one to many moons ago) seems to be forgetting is that there's so many other things that need fixing and Trion choose to fix the claims exploit right now.
Yet another one of the things that keeps people playing despite the games issues is gone.
@Mrdr start a thread of the games issues and it will far out way your arguments above.
Yes we all know that cheesing or exploiting isn't the done thing but when you have a game like this that at best has an rng that is wanting and even then there's no guarantee of getting something of use.
I am not a white knight by any means, but after two years of playing, this latest move is not inconsistent with how Trion always does business. It should not come as a big shock. I guess my point is that people seem to be freaking out and willing to quit over something that has always gone on since game launch.