Jackpot on claimable got EGO rating already!

The Problem is we spend money on this Game but it's still laggy as hell trion should fix that issue I really enjoy this game I still am going to spend money on it to keep it running but please give us value for our money!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Dixie Cougar

"So many players" are terrible, and should uninstall.

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Then how would I get my daily squats in?

To me it's pretty obvious that they want players to be more or less equal in terms of fire power so we have to rely more on cyber rigs. It all started with the new weapon roll system and continued with the whole jackpot thing. I'm afraid regular oj's could be next.
After all, they spent a lot of resources on creating the new content and have to push for sales for their new product.

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Originally Posted by TNO

To me it's pretty obvious that they want players to be more or less equal in terms of fire power so we have to rely more on cyber rigs. It all started with the new weapon roll system and continued with the whole jackpot thing. I'm afraid regular oj's could be next.
After all they spent a lot of resources on creating the new content and have to push for sales.

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How selfish does one person have to be to think they should be equal at ego 20 to ego 6000?

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Originally Posted by konstantinov

How selfish does one person have to be to think they should be equal at ego 20 to ego 6000?

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All the selfish that there is.

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Originally Posted by konstantinov

How selfish does one person have to be to think they should be equal at ego 20 to ego 6000?

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The one person being me? Where exactly did I say that I want players to be equal? What I was trying to say is that I'm affraid that this is trions new gameplan.

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How selfish does one person have to be to think they should be equal at ego 20 to ego 6000?

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They need to realize that not all shellfish are created equal. I mean brine shrimp are not equal to lobster. Wait...what?

Kon He is talking about the hard copy which is not free it costs money his argument is totally valid. Trion needs to shape up before people get's sick and tired and boycott the game.

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Originally Posted by Lady_AmberGreen

Kon He is talking about the hard copy which is not free it costs money his argument is totally valid. Trion needs to shape up before people get's sick and tired and boycott the game.

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But the hard copy is an option. You can download for nothing aka free. The purchase was a choice not a requirement to play. I think that's what's being said.

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Originally Posted by Mrdr

But the hard copy is an option. You can download for nothing aka free. The purchase was a choice not a requirement to play. I think that's what's being said.

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You sir have just won the internet!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Mrdr

But the hard copy is an option. You can download for nothing aka free. The purchase was a choice not a requirement to play. I think that's what's being said.

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Keep in mind that when the game first came out it was a subscription model and the hard copy was a requirement, not an option. I'm just saying that some people have payed for the game and it is not unreasonable to have certain expectations about the quality of a product you've paid for.

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Originally Posted by Adage

Keep in mind that when the game first came out it was a subscription model and the hard copy was a requirement, not an option. I'm just saying that some people have payed for the game and it is not unreasonable to have certain expectations about the quality of a product you've paid for.

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Wait, what? Defiance was B2P (Buy to Play) on release date, the only thing resembling a sub model is the Paradise Patron Pass which didn't exist until it went Free to Play. Paying for the game affords you some expectation, but you can't expect that initial $60 to last forever when you invest in a living product.

Yeah it's free but you don't get some added feature that comes with the paid one. bottom line is you should get value for your money trion should fixed the issues in game (Lag).

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Originally Posted by Lady_AmberGreen

Yeah it's free but you don't get some added feature that comes with the paid one. bottom line is you should get value for your money trion should fixed the issues in game (Lag).

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You should have been here when the game launched.

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Originally Posted by SirServed

Wait, what? Defiance was B2P (Buy to Play) on release date, the only thing resembling a sub model is the Paradise Patron Pass which didn't exist until it went Free to Play. Paying for the game affords you some expectation, but you can't expect that initial $60 to last forever when you invest in a living product.

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Hold on, we didn't know it was going f2p, for all we knew knew we could've been buying more dlc etc. Which I'd of preferred if I'm honest

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But the hard copy is an option. You can download for nothing aka free. The purchase was a choice not a requirement to play. I think that's what's being said.

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Not so simple as that.

F2p wasn't what you'd of got if you bought it originally. If you wanted to buy a t4 lock box you'd have to get it from the bits store or buy the extra key slots plus the extra load outs.

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Wait, what? Defiance was B2P (Buy to Play) on release date, the only thing resembling a sub model is the Paradise Patron Pass which didn't exist until it went Free to Play. Paying for the game affords you some expectation, but you can't expect that initial $60 to last forever when you invest in a living product.

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You're right, my mistake, I had completely forgotten they went the way of the Guild Wars model. To be honest the only real impression I took away from the initial release was a bitter disappointment in the launch and the incomplete nature of the game at the time. I don't at all expect the initial purchase to last forever in an mmo but I have also invested many times more than the initial preorder package I did purchase since I returned after it went f2p. I think some people, and I'm not saying you're one of them, equate the fact that it's free-to-play with the idea that there is no accountability for a certain quality in the product since 'you get what you pay for'. The truth is that many people do pay for it and that's the only way the servers stay up. The game may have a microtransaction and dlc payment model, but it is still a digital product that we have purchased and that comes with a certain set of expectations. I don't know if that translates directly to this issue but I can certainly see where the strong opinions about it come from.

Koooooooonnnnnnnnn!!!!! Your killin me!!!id highlight a quote but they're all good.bravo!lmmfao!!!

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Hold on, we didn't know it was going f2p, for all we knew knew we could've been buying more dlc etc. Which I'd of preferred if I'm honest

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While it doesn't really make a difference to me personally, my wallet would have also preferred the DLC route.

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You're right, my mistake, I had completely forgotten they went the way of the Guild Wars model. To be honest the only real impression I took away from the initial release was a bitter disappointment in the launch and the incomplete nature of the game at the time. I don't at all expect the initial purchase to last forever in an mmo but I have also invested many times more than the initial preorder package I did purchase since I returned after it went f2p. I think some people, and I'm not saying you're one of them, equate the fact that it's free-to-play with the idea that there is no accountability for a certain quality in the product since 'you get what you pay for'. The truth is that many people do pay for it and that's the only way the servers stay up. The game may have a microtransaction and dlc payment model, but it is still a digital product that we have purchased and that comes with a certain set of expectations. I don't know if that translates directly to this issue but I can certainly see where the strong opinions about it come from.

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There will always be product quality accountability, even in a "Free" game. The problem is that players tend to think their on-the-fly solutions are always better than those of the development team. While this is not always the case, some development decisions have caused even me to look at the screen sideways to make sure I'm reading the changes properly.

While convenient features, I personally disagree with how HRs and Ammo Boosts can't be earned in-game by players that can't afford to pay real money. The HR issue is minor, as it only gives more chances to get back up and potentially die again immediately. Being able to show up with more than double total ammunition than someone that doesn't pay is crossing the line. You will save time not needing to refill ammo as often and the saved time ends up better converted into damage done. This leads to P2W territory.

As a concerned player, I expected when I made my report that it would have been taken seriously. I got no response, so I'm just going to watch what happens.

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Originally Posted by Adage

I think some people, and I'm not saying you're one of them, equate the fact that it's free-to-play with the idea that there is no accountability for a certain quality in the product since 'you get what you pay for'. The truth is that many people do pay for it and that's the only way the servers stay up. The game may have a microtransaction and dlc payment model, but it is still a digital product that we have purchased and that comes with a certain set of expectations. I don't know if that translates directly to this issue but I can certainly see where the strong opinions about it come from.

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Exactly my point through most of this thread (there's also quite a few other ways the players contribute towards the developer company though).

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The problem is that players tend to think their on-the-fly solutions are always better than those of the development team. While this is not always the case, some development decisions have caused even me to look at the screen sideways to make sure I'm reading the changes properly.

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If a huge chunk of the game is misdesigned and the feature that gets changed breaks it even more - do the devs have the right to force the "fix" in and disregard the players (especially the paying ones)? In my opinion, no.

its called being strategic whats the best way to beat the game whats the best way to get this and get that but you kill joys call it cheating and exploiting just like speedruns in co op maps if theres a spot that I can get through with out j tagging or hacking a source code than leaglly its not exploiting thet game its called being smart and also trion is greedy yes theres greedy players but 100 dollars for the digital ultimate add on ............ need say more I got miner on ebay same **** plus all 5 dlc's for $30 so ur saying we don't have a right to complain about trion patching something cuz it could make them more money if they patch it ha ha ha and as far as the trade locked **** it is bull **** stop complaining about exploits and give the players what they want then u will see some revenue for exsample get that everythings a lottery bs off the game when I buy a box from the bit store I expect a oj when I buy a boost I expect the choice to extend time of boost or increase percentage also ive made a 4th of july event suggestion and got told it would only work for the NA servers so its a no well trion maybe make some events exclusive to EU and some exclusive to NA so trion i'll leave it at this I have ideas that will make your sales go up and your complaints down it would be in your best intrest to contact me

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So lemme get this straight: Most of you complain about an exploit that was being fixed that you knew would get fixed eventually?
I can understand that it sucks it not being mentioned in the Patch Notes at all, I was surprised as well when I saw the first thread(s) on the forums.

Also, the presents are, like their name says already, presents. Originally, Halloween and Thanksgiving didn't even give presents, Christmas was the first time we had them. They were in no way obligated to give us anything for free, and yet they did.
And now people first are crying that they can't trade presents anymore when some people farmed them with 5+ accounts and got ~20 jackpots with each event, all Ego 5k+. Now you're crying they fixed an exploit most of you kinda liked and abused, or even better, cry about the presents they got.
It's something for free, and yes, I can understand the frustration not getting anything from Arkfalls (2 Weeks farming Arkfalls non-stop brought me one whole jackpot weapon from Majors, so yes, I know what it feels like. Some have received none at all, which is probably even more frustrating). My weeklies haven't been what I would have liked either, but I know it's something free.

What I do agree on is RNG being sucky, giving out jackpots from majors to the same people all the time while some are just unlucky. I also agree that the non-trading thing now that the claim bug is gone is a bit stupid. What I do not agree on is some people whining they can't abuse the system anymore.

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its called being strategic whats the best way to beat the game whats the best way to get this and get that but you kill joys call it cheating and exploiting just like speedruns in co op maps if theres a spot that I can get through with out j tagging or hacking a source code than leaglly its not exploiting thet game its called being smart and also trion is greedy yes theres greedy players but 100 dollars for the digital ultimate add on ............ need say more I got miner on ebay same **** plus all 5 dlc's for $30 so ur saying we don't have a right to complain about trion patching something cuz it could make them more money if they patch it ha ha ha and as far as the trade locked **** it is bull **** stop complaining about exploits and give the players what they want then u will see some revenue for exsample get that everythings a lottery bs off the game when I buy a box from the bit store I expect a oj when I buy a boost I expect the choice to extend time of boost or increase percentage also ive made a 4th of july event suggestion and got told it would only work for the NA servers so its a no well trion maybe make some events exclusive to EU and some exclusive to NA so trion i'll leave it at this I have ideas that will make your sales go up and your complaints down it would be in your best intrest to contact me

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mox you crazy juggalo I literally looked at your wall of text and said nope.

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mox you crazy juggalo I literally looked at your wall of text and said nope.

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You mean something like this?
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/05/didnt-read.gif

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Originally Posted by WhiteStrike

You mean something like this?
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/05/didnt-read.gif

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I'd rather go sky diving without a parachute.

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Originally Posted by konstantinov

mox you crazy juggalo I literally looked at your wall of text and said nope.

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I read the first sentence and now my brain hurts.

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Originally Posted by konstantinov

I'd rather go sky diving without a parachute.

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I'd pay to see that, Trion get a plane, I bet you land on your feet though.

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Originally Posted by Bentu

I'd pay to see that, Trion get a plane, I bet you land on your feet though.

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yup jetpack all the way.

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Originally Posted by Boycott On Defaince

Im suggesting a boycott on defiance till this is fix any and all play should join and not play defaince and force the developers to do some real work for once.

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Look, I try really hard not to be a grammar N A Z I. I'm more than willing to overlook spelling mistakes or missed punctuation because this an informal setting and some people use phones which can be a PITA to properly type on. So while I can overlook that you went 1 for 2 spelling Defiance in your post, the fact that you also misspelled it in your username makes it difficult to take you very seriously.

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Look, I try really hard not to be a grammar N A Z I. I'm more than willing to overlook spelling mistakes or missed punctuation because this an informal setting and some people use phones which can be a PITA to properly type on. So while I can overlook that you went 1 for 2 spelling Defiance in your post, the fact that you also misspelled it in your username makes it difficult to take you very seriously.

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You do realise who that is don't you?

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Originally Posted by Bentu

You do realise who that is don't you?

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It's like a game of Guess Who.

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Originally Posted by Bentu

You do realise who that is don't you?

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Same person who posted another thread.

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Originally Posted by Axelle Axe

Defiance the new ebay! ;)

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I hear that, unfortunately I can't use my PayPal account to buy things off other players. :p

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Originally Posted by Niner82

Same person who posted another thread.

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Bingo. ...........

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Originally Posted by Bentu

You do realise who that is don't you?

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I know that it is an alt account ;)

I'm just hoping that the esteemed author with the computer degree will finally come to the realization that no one will even begin to take him seriously until he can convey his thoughts in a more appropriate and constructive manner. The fact that he felt compelled to create an alternate account either suggests that his original account was banned or he is apparently pretending to be someone else to help garner support. Neither reason fills me with much hope.

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Originally Posted by r1p

I know that it is an alt account ;)

I'm just hoping that the esteemed author with the computer degree will finally come to the realization that no one will even begin to take him seriously until he can convey his thoughts in a more appropriate and constructive manner. The fact that he felt compelled to create an alternate account either suggests that his original account was banned or he is apparently pretending to be someone else to help garner support. Neither reason fills me with much hope.

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DING DING DING! You win the thousand dollar prize good sir.

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Originally Posted by r1p

I know that it is an alt account ;)

I'm just hoping that the esteemed author with the computer degree will finally come to the realization that no one will even begin to take him seriously until he can convey his thoughts in a more appropriate and constructive manner. The fact that he felt compelled to create an alternate account either suggests that his original account was banned or he is apparently pretending to be someone else to help garner support. Neither reason fills me with much hope.

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Do you think he used a different IP address, I mean he's got letters after his name :)

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Originally Posted by Bentu

Do you think he used a different IP address, I mean he's got letters after his name :)

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I even tried to warn him about his post, oh well.