Printable View
Few days ago, I submitted this thread "Blast Rifle" Gun Review + Mods...
Seems there's a confusion if "burst mags" actually increase Blast Rifles' DPS... Here's the answer:
NOTE: Part of me kinda wished this was not the result because I could use the extra bullets on a mag lol... but this is "what it is" as of now.
What do you think?
I think that the Blast rifle got a huge (and unnessecary) buff some time ago (I can't remember which patch it was) and that it was already really fine (correctly modded) at close/mid range. Now that thing can even kill you at long range, which I find quite disturbing.
One more thing, when modded with a burst mag, the rifle shots 3 times more bullets, but your ammo pool still works like it wasn't modded with a burst mag : shoot 9 bullets, only 3 ammo are used...
And I may be wrong on that, but shooting 3 times more bullets seems to grant 3 times more proc chance for the nano effect, it's HUGE.
Another thing, if you mod it with a Damage Barrel, let's say the 1.05 greeny, the increase in damage output is then again : 3 times 5%, HUGE.
I saw the pvp people who were exclusively using the PS30 slugger, quickly switching to this Blast rifle...
The "Time To Kill" is just ridiculously short, between 0.5 and 1 seconds, (at close/mid/long range) no matter what perks/shields the opponent has. And of course, you can't really miss your target, due to the huge spray.
So, I don't feel personnally 'butt-hurt' when I get killed by this rifle at close range, which is quite expectable (it used to work this way before) but I really find this kinda 'cheap' when it gets me at + 50m range, whereas any other AR would require a real precise aim and anticipation (and crits) to kill any one at this range.
This reminds me of the 'surge bolter' hype, a while back ago, when every one was using that in pvp... We just had to wait 5-6 months before the devs wake up and fix the 'stupid' gun.
Be prepared, all of you trendy Blast rifle fan, it might just get nerfed to dust in the future...
Next episode : Disruptor gets a huge buff. People learn to mod it. More and more people starts using it. Sniping/aiming becomes useless, cause the Disruptor is more efficient/easy to use. Every one uses a Disruptor. 6 moths pass. Disruptor gets nerfed. Rince and repeat with another gun.
Actually it fires 3 bullets per round expended regardless of how it's modded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyclown
http://i.imgur.com/29tuG4Y.gif
The fire rate gain from a burst mag depends on the natural fire rate of the weapon. Low fire rate weapons yield great results while high fire rate weapons yield close to none.
This OP.However,there is no fire rate difference in the case of the Blast Rifle.Try shooting a burst blast rifle and a non-burst one,mesuring the time it takes to empty a full clip.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirServed
Why interrupt a stream of death?
Ok,I came up with a theory as to why the mag has no effect on the Blast Rifle.As we all know,the burst mag does not affect natural 3-round burst weapons.What if the Blast Rifle is actually a auto-burst firing(pulse) weapon but with no interval between shots (thus the 3 rounds per shot) and the Fire Rate being actually the interval between bursts?
I guess those t5 fall-off barrels work huh? Been thinking which one to put on my BR, a DMG barrel or a FALL-OFF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyclown
We'll just have to wait for the next "flavor of the month" heheheQuote:
Originally Posted by Psyclown
If I understand correctly, you're saying that "your mag CONSUMES 3 bullets" regardless if you put a burst mag (where your gun then spits 9 bullets), right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dixie Cougar
A clanmate of mine actually tested this out, here's what he got:Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteStrike
With a mag size of 58 & a burst mag, it takes around 3.5 seconds to spit out all ammo. (58x3)Feel free to retest though :)
With a mag size of 58 & no mag, it takes around 4 seconds to spit out all ammo. (58x3)
You're talking about the "fire rate" specifically when you say "no effect" right? Because the main reason I use a burst mag is not actually the fire rate, but the fact that it spits 9 bullets per click of the mouse (and that for me is why burst mag works on Blast Rifles) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteStrike
It doesn't spit out 9 bullets, just fires faster. Hence with the burst mag you gain a boost to burst DPS, but gimp your sustained dps as the tradeoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daily420
... uhhhmmm but it shows in my test video that it does fire 9 bullets per initial click? (and then just sustains that ridiculous amount of bullets coming out)? On the other hand, I'm kinda seeing your point that "that initial" 9 bullet burst is actually fire rate increased?Quote:
Originally Posted by King Stud
Your video proves my point lol. With the burst mag it fires a burst of 3 rounds, with each round being split into 3 bullets. Without the burst mag it fires a single round or 3 bullets with each click.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daily420
Ohhh haha so basically, we have the same point hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by King Stud
Is it true that disrupters can go full auto somehow?
I asked a few peeps, seems the answer is NO >.<Quote:
Originally Posted by SUPREEM
Yes but the effect is actually almost non-existent in combat situations.It always fires in pulses with the Burst mag but it's hard to notice it unless you hear the sound the game makes.The inicial 3 round burst is actually only very slightly faster than the normal fire rate.I actually suggest a catalyst injector for DPS in case you use Radiation Blast Rifles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daily420
There are rumors that a Cannoneer Quickburst Pulser can go full-auto.Not sure how trustworthy these rumors are 'though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SUPREEM
Just in case you get your hands on one for testing, would love to see this too. My first ever "happy moment" in PvP actually happened with me using a Final Caress (this counts right?)...Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteStrike
Still a lot of newbness from this video, but this particular match was the one that me say PvP could be fun :)
Yes,I got one yesterday thanks to a friend.Even with 3 T4 LMG Fire Rate mods the gun is still pulse fire,sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daily420
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteStrike
Oohhhhh, that's sad... but thanks for confirming buddy
Ah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daily420
Also, I put a burst fire mag on a br, it only fires 3, as I swapped as soon as I fire 1 bullet, it only shoots 3, not 9.
what's the difference exactly? I can go full auto still...
There is no difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerrmy12
Full auto mags should exist, burst mags exist afterall so why not eh.
Then what's the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteStrike
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerrmy12
There's a small portion in this video that was in slight slow motion, and I'm counting 9 bullets with the burst mag... I don't know, but am I missing something with this test?
I think that would make some other kinds weapons OP, but this is just my theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Derpenhowser
Yes.You fire 9 bullets and waste 3 ammo.If you waste 3 ammo on a regular Blaat Rifle you also shoot 9 bullets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daily420
I have had around 20-30 blast rifles and know for a fact it does not add dps as your mag is too small to make it worth while. but it does work on pvp on mid ego players. just don't go after a 6k with half the capacity. It don't end well.
I was told by a veteran that it does waste 3 ammos with burst mag, but you still spit out 9 projectiles (which is crazy advantage in my opinion)... the enemy receives all of those 9 projectiles.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteStrike
I'm a PvP'er and I think the burst mag is useful even when hitting 6k EGO players. ZeroAccuracy actually puts burst mag on his Blast Rifle. And that is enough indication for me that burst mag for PvP is the way to go. He is a monster in PvP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juggalo Juice
BUT for PvE - he also said that CAPACITY mag is the way to go to get that sustained DPS.
The Blast rifle already fires 3 bullets per ammo wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daily420
i dont get what the problem is here.
My blast rifle with a burst mag will shoot 9 bullets in about same time it would have shot 3 without.
This is a huge advantage.
And you can argue about that all you want, but the fact is that fire rate is very good for blast rifles cause you will do more damage in a shorter timespan.
Offcourse its not good for DPS who wants sustained damage in PVP anyways, what you want is as high burst as possible, then switch targets.
Get a blast rifle with magt3 roll and if you want mag mastery and its not a problem at all to support a burst mag.
I was doing just fine in pvp with my 50mag burst modded blast rifle, now i have a 73mag one and its even better.
~lett~
I have tested the fire rate with a stop watch.It is exactlythe same.Quote:
Originally Posted by syrogen
So I should put a burst mag into my rad rolling thunder flashy carbine?
No... its a waste of time
Yes, but with a BR the "projectiles" become 9.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteStrike
Thanks for giving it a test buddy. Though, I think the best way to measure is not by stopwatch but with a recording software where you can mark the "start and finish" (of firing and losing bullets) precisely by mili seconds. I think it'd be really hard for using a manual stopwatch for this purpose >.<Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteStrike
I'm not really sure where carbine fits in here lolQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
If you can kill faster with it at PvP, I'd use one though.