Please buff FRC line of weapons!

Why are the FRC weapons so weak compared to their VBI, EMC, VOT and Votan competition?

FRC Magnum- deals low damage and very low fire rate! It needs like 6.0 crit or 45k damage without any modifiers for it to be of any use!

FRC Nomad- deals the same damage as a Techmag but the fire rate of a Pusler! It needs a damage or crit buff!

FRC Particle Scattergun- takes forever to charge for like a crappy 2x damage! It needs to at least deal the amount of damage a Nano Fragger or Zagger does on a full charge shot! Because now it's a useless gun!

FRC Heavy Scattergun- needs only a huge Accuracy buff and maybe fire rate and it would be a great shotgun!

FRC Birdshot- needs something! It's trashy make it shoot 3x faster or 3x damage because it just shoots marshmallows at targets! It needs to be a spray and pray gun for hitting many targets and causing chaos!

Other notable weak guns

VBI PAS Tornado - AKA Piece of Stacko
VBI Haar

Any other guns I should add?

Hey, I like the VBI Haar! Not that I'd say no to a buff, ofc... :)

edit: Oh yeah, add the Derailer to that list please. I was reading some old posts where the devs were considering giving it a damage bonus against mechanical enemies (ex: Bulwarks), but I'm pretty sure that never happened. They should go ahead and add that feature because the enemies in this game do not use vehicles at all...

The Birdshot was already given a buff.

I say leave things alone. There will always be superior and inferior things in life. These are examples of the inferior. Not everything can or should be equal.

Besides, whenever they try to "fix" something, they break 10 other things.

Let it alone and wait til you get better drops. JS

Most of these no one has used since they came out. A birdshot is fun to mess with once in a while and I messed with nomads for a time, but the rest really just need to be removed from the loot pool. No buff is going to fix these

Also the nomads advantage is mag size. If you notice all these weapons have an advantage they just usually aren't the prefered advantage

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The Birdshot was already given a buff.

I say leave things alone. There will always be superior and inferior things in life. These are examples of the inferior. Not everything can or should be equal.

Besides, whenever they try to "fix" something, they break 10 other things.

Let it alone and wait til you get better drops. JS

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So you're saying it's ok for half of your loot to be automatically useless! Not because you don't like the gun but because It is clearly inferior to all other guns! I like to use the other types of guns in the game other the the Same lame six guns with different names, VOT Blast Rifle VBI smg, Wolfhound, VBI assault Rifle! VOT Techmag and VOT Pulser! Don't these guns boring after awhile?

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Most of these no one has used since they came out. A birdshot is fun to mess with once in a while and I messed with nomads for a time, but the rest really just need to be removed from the loot pool. No buff is going to fix these

Also the nomads advantage is mag size. If you notice all these weapons have an advantage they just usually aren't the prefered advantage

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My 111 Mag Castithan Springer says hello!

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So you're saying it's ok for half of your loot to be automatically useless! Not because you don't like the gun but because It is clearly inferior to all other guns! I like to use the other types of guns in the game other the the Same lame six guns with different names, VOT Blast Rifle VBI smg, Wolfhound, VBI assault Rifle! VOT Techmag and VOT Pulser! Don't these guns boring after awhile?

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Yes. I'm saying it's okay.

Look, we can't all have Bentleys. Sometimes we gotta drive a Pacer......

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Yes. I'm saying it's okay.

Look, we can't all have Bentleys. Sometimes we gotta drive a Pacer......

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You are mislead and require guidance! But truly I don't like that these six guns eclipse all others! They should just remove them if they won't buff them!

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The Birdshot was already given a buff.

I say leave things alone. There will always be superior and inferior things in life. These are examples of the inferior. Not everything can or should be equal.

Besides, whenever they try to "fix" something, they break 10 other things.

Let it alone and wait til you get better drops. JS

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I'd rather they work on the bad guns. Everyone in the game shouldn't be using the same handful of guns because the other are crap.

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So you're saying it's ok for half of your loot to be automatically useless! Not because you don't like the gun but because It is clearly inferior to all other guns! I like to use the other types of guns in the game other the the Same lame six guns with different names, VOT Blast Rifle VBI smg, Wolfhound, VBI assault Rifle! VOT Techmag and VOT Pulser! Don't these guns boring after awhile?

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99% of the loot that I receive is automatically useless. It's not Ok but at the same time there's nothing I can feasibly do about it short of adding more complaints to the existing long list. Every gun won't be equal. The sooner you accept this fact, the sooner you can move on. Everyone has a right to their personal preference, I keep it simple by picking the best gun for the job since the others will be numerically inferior. In case you didn't notice, Defiance itself gets repetitive after a while, but the individual happenings in each encounter is what makes it worth sticking with through the long haul.

EDIT: Also, my usable inventory is 13 Weapons, 2 Shields, and 2 Cyber Rigs.

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My 111 Mag Castithan Springer says hello!

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my 120 mag t4 Castithan Springer Mk2 with Rolling Thunder says... meh.

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My 111 Mag Castithan Springer says hello!

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If you put a high cap on your springer you need to do some sustained dps calculations

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If you put a high cap on your springer you need to do some sustained dps calculations

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Just make sure to leave it at that. We don't want "things" messed with.

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99% of the loot that I receive is automatically useless. It's not Ok but at the same time there's nothing I can feasibly do about it short of adding more complaints to the existing long list. Every gun won't be equal. The sooner you accept this fact, the sooner you can move on. Everyone has a right to their personal preference, I keep it simple by picking the best gun for the job since the others will be numerically inferior. In case you didn't notice, Defiance itself gets repetitive after a while, but the individual happenings in each encounter is what makes it worth sticking with through the long haul.

EDIT: Also, my usable inventory is 13 Weapons, 2 Shields, and 2 Cyber Rigs.

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Let me guess a rig for smg and a rig for assault rifles! Because all other things don't have the dps

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If you put a high cap on your springer you need to do some sustained dps calculations

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It's only a T2 high cap mag with 1.1 reload! .5 max with overcharge!

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Let me guess a rig for smg and a rig for assault rifles! Because all other things don't have the dps

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No. 1 is for General Combat and 1 is for Boss Fights. The General is a 6 Hex Omni and the Boss version is a 6 Sphere Lucent.

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No. 1 is for General Combat and 1 is for Boss Fights. The General is a 6 Hex Omni and the Boss version is a 6 Sphere Lucent.

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I only got one Oj omni with 5 hex! But four squares! I got like 5 rigs though!

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You are mislead and require guidance! But truly I don't like that these six guns eclipse all others! They should just remove them if they won't buff them!

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I am not misled, nor do I require guidance. I am a realist.

I understand that there are going to be bad items in the game. I believe there should be. It's my opinion, right or wrong. I honestly do believe that in order to have "good" guns, there must be "bad" guns to enable the comparison...

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I am not misled, nor do I require guidance. I am a realist.

I understand that there are going to be bad items in the game. I believe there should be. It's my opinion, right or wrong. I honestly do believe that in order to have "good" guns, there must be "bad" guns to enable the comparison...

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He gets it!

EDIT: Here's some descriptors for your "chosen" 6.
VOT Blast Rifle - PvP go to weapon, PvE s**t sandwich.
VBI SMG - Wait, what?
Wolfhound - Only useful during WM, if you do that content.
VBI Assault Rifle - Always a solid choice.
VOT Tachmag Pulser - Advanced SMG users.
VOT Pulser - Beginner SMG users.

If you look around, you'll notice that each Faction has a few weapon models that are "in" with most of them being "out" (e.g. FRC Quick Repeater, VBI Assault Rifle, VOT Pulser are all "in"). To better your odds (for those that do and don't buy DLC alike), you'll want to get a crate version of the Faction specific weapon for an innate boost like 10% damage done (e.g. Frontier Quick Repeater, EMC Service Rifle, Votan Pulser). No one Faction does it all, so it balances out in the end.

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I am not misled, nor do I require guidance. I am a realist.

I understand that there are going to be bad items in the game. I believe there should be. It's my opinion, right or wrong. I honestly do believe that in order to have "good" guns, there must be "bad" guns to enable the comparison...

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What are you? a monk? If half the guns are useless then they should buff them! Do you not like variety? There a only 6 reasonable guns in the game out of like 20+! Or you don't want anyone else to get good drops because of your ridiculous view of things! This is a game! Why have a linebacker if he's not needed! If you can score with just a quarterback!

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What are you? a monk? If half the guns are useless then they should buff them!

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That makes no sense. No matter how much you buff the guns half will always be better than the other half. Unless you want them all to be equal.

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He gets it!

EDIT: Here's some descriptors for your "chosen" 6.
VOT Blast Rifle - PvP go to weapon, PvE s**t sandwich.
VBI SMG - Wait, what?
Wolfhound - Only useful during WM, if you do that content.
VBI Assault Rifle - Always a solid choice.
VOT Tachmag Pulser - Advanced SMG users.
VOT Pulser - Beginner SMG users.

If you look around, you'll notice that each Faction has a few weapon models that are "in" with most of them being "out" (e.g. FRC Quick Repeater, VBI Assault Rifle, VOT Pulser are all "in"). To better your odds (for those that do and don't buy DLC alike), you'll want to get a crate version of the Faction specific weapon for an innate boost like 10% damage done (e.g. Frontier Quick Repeater, EMC Service Rifle, Votan Pulser). No one Faction does it all, so it balances out in the end.

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Now please tell me what is your top used guns! I bet it one of all the 6 types I mentioned!

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Now please tell me what is your top used guns! I bet it one of all the 6 types I mentioned!

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My Loadouts...
Primary - Spinal Tap SMG/Syphon Blaze
PVP - Swam/RS Infector
Coop - Votan Blast Rifle/Ground Pounder
Expos - Votan BR/Syphon Blaze

So one out of Eight for your Holy Six? Three if you count the Votan BR.

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Now please tell me what is your top used guns! I bet it one of all the 6 types I mentioned!

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Autumn's Scourge Mk II
Big Boomer (FRC Big Boomer)
Carving Knife
DC-8 Milking Maid Mk II (VBI Ground Pounder)
Demon Hunter (VOT Blaster)
FRC Tele-Spanner
Ghost Duster Mk II (VBI Assault Rifle)
The Devil's Advocate Mk II (FRC Quick Repeater)
Undertaker (FRC Quick Repeater)
VOT Needler Mk II (VOT Tachmag Pulser)
VOT Needler Mk II (VOT Tachmag Pulser)
Wolfman Mk II (VOT Tachmag Pulser)
Zagger Mk II (VOT Nano Fragger)

Only 2 of your 6 used. I don't own a Wolfhound anymore because I stopped doing WM and the other 3 you listed are inferior to what I actually use. These are the weapons I personally get the best results out of for the activities that I participate in.

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Autumn's Scourge Mk II
Big Boomer (FRC Big Boomer)
Carving Knife
DC-8 Milking Maid Mk II (VBI Ground Pounder)
Demon Hunter (VOT Blaster)
FRC Tele-Spanner
Ghost Duster Mk II (VBI Assault Rifle)
The Devil's Advocate Mk II (FRC Quick Repeater)
Undertaker (FRC Quick Repeater)
VOT Needler Mk II (VOT Tachmag Pulser)
VOT Needler Mk II (VOT Tachmag Pulser)
Wolfman Mk II (VOT Tachmag Pulser)
Zagger Mk II (VOT Nano Fragger)

Only 2 of your 6 used. I don't own a Wolfhound anymore because I stopped doing WM and the other 3 you listed are inferior to what I actually use. These are the weapons I personally get the best results out of for the activities that I participate in.

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So why you don't want weak guns buffed then?

Yes i agree my boomer needs a buff lol.

If only Trion cared, it's the sad truth really. I guarantee you trion is well aware of what does and does not require a buff. Unfortunately for the time being you and the many others who wish for change will continue waiting. That's not to say Trion isn't trying to fix aspects of the game, just stating that certain aspects will remain on the bottom of their VERY LONG to-do list. So as much as I hate saying this, give up while you're ahead because the current weapon meta will remain until further notice :P

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Compelling argument. lol

What you are suggesting is a never ending series of buffs. Theres always going to be a top and a bottom.

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Lol no I only want a reasonable buff to make the FRC line a more suitable choice for their abilities! As of now they are just unreasonably weak! So instead of people crying nerf! They'll see that the guns the they think are op are really just doing their jobs while the FRC line of guns are just subpar all round!

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So why you don't want weak guns buffed then?

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Because even if they get buffed, they'd have to be the exact same at which point there's no reason for them to both exist. You're trying to make everything equal, which brings me to this:

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I understand that there are going to be bad items in the game. I believe there should be. It's my opinion, right or wrong. I honestly do believe that in order to have "good" guns, there must be "bad" guns to enable the comparison...

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Reb gets it.

Instead of your line of reasoning that ALL weak guns need a buff, you should look at specific weapon types. For example, with the exception of the Crimefighter (let's be honest, this is a bouncy Detonator), Combat Shotguns are all terrible. That's something that should be looked at. When a weapon type has no viable option, it's a cause for concern. Trying to make 10 viable weapon models per type only serves to dilute the system and you as a player lose a sense of accomplishment because now you just need to get your hands on any one instead of aiming for the best one.

EDIT: After looking at the weapon types, the only ones that need a buff specifically are Combat Shotguns and Bolt Action Sniper Rifles. Combat Shotguns need to flat out do more damage and Bolt Action Sniper Rifles have been s**t on by Semi Autos ever since Arktech Revolution hit. The best fix for Bolt Action Rifles that I've heard of so far is to boost their critical values, this way it's only a better DPS alternative if you can actually take advantage of it. They would also once again be true One Shot, One Kill weapons.

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So what are you trying to prove?

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That was a direct response to your question? You asked which weapons we use. You stated it would be some combo of those six.

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Because even if they get buffed, they'd have to be the exact same at which point there's no reason for them to both exist. You're trying to make everything equal, which brings me to this:


Reb gets it.

Instead of your line of reasoning that ALL weak guns need a buff, you should look at specific weapon types. For example, with the exception of the Crimefighter, Combat Shotguns are all terrible. That's something that should be looked at. When a weapon type has no viable option, it's a cause for concern. Trying to make 10 viable weapon models per type only serves to dilute the system and you as a player lose a sense of accomplishment because now you just need to get your hands on any one instead of aiming for the best one.

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What's the point of the guns existing in the first place? If they are weak at everything! Your logic is flawed. If the real world worked like this then we all would be driving pentos! I'm saying buff the guns because they are weak at everything, and you guys say no because we should only let our favorite guns be good because you know some things have to be better than others! With that kind of loser mindset you will just say to others. People will always be better than me so I better not even try! If this was a pvp game then hey nobody would mind if the guns are buffed but in an MMO People a so narrow minded and selfish in that if the gun doesn't bother them then they don't care what happens to it! Just as long as their favorite gun does the most dps and that no one should be able to acquire the same gun in any reasonable time they are ok with that!

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What's the point of the guns existing in the first place? If they are weak at everything! Your logic is flawed. If the real world worked like this then we all would be driving pentos! I'm saying buff the guns because they are weak at everything, and you guys say no because we should only let our favorite guns be good because you know some things have to be better than others! With that kind of loser mindset you will just say to others. People will always be better than me so I better not even try! If this was a pvp game then hey nobody would mind if the guns are buffed but in an MMO People a so narrow minded and selfish in that if the gun doesn't bother them then they don't care what happens to it! Just as long as their favorite gun does the most dps and that no one should be able to acquire the same gun in any reasonable time they are ok with that!

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Here's a question:
Is it your favorite because you like the way it looks or because of the performance it has? Don't confuse my most commonly used for my favorites.

A close 2nd would be Undertaker for the fire rate but my personal favorite right now is the Beelzebub, because it looks AMAZING. It's sitting on my banker right now and we have a Love/Hate relationship going on. I whip it out and do Dark Matter Expeditions with it from time to time but the accuracy loss during sustained fire doesn't allow me to use it full time as my Assault weapon of choice. This is because I play by numbers. At the same time, I can't bring myself to sell or trade it away, even though it could be more appreciated by another player.

You're looking at FRC weapons specifically but what's next? People that use other underpowered weapons will cry for buffs and we end up in a situation in which everything is equal and nothing is best. Now all you have to do is get hold of one weapon from each type (I guess the one that looks best?) and your chase is done.

EDIT: Also, starting with "weak" guns and moving on to better ones gives you a sense of growth, the same way you start at 10 EGO and move towards 6000. Hey, let's make everyone start at 6000 because the guys that start at 10 EGO are too weak!

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Here's a question:
Is it your favorite because you like the way it looks or because of the performance it has? Don't confuse my most commonly used for my favorites.

A close 2nd would be Undertaker for the fire rate but my personal favorite right now is the Beelzebub, because it looks AMAZING. It's sitting on my banker right now and we have a Love/Hate relationship going on. I whip it out and do Dark Matter Expeditions with it from time to time but the accuracy loss during sustained fire doesn't allow me to use it full time as my Assault weapon of choice. This is because I play by numbers. At the same time, I can't bring myself to sell or trade it away, even though it could be more appreciated by another player.

You're looking at FRC weapons specifically but what's next? People that use other underpowered weapons will cry for buffs and we end up in a situation in which everything is equal and nothing is best. Now all you have to do is get hold of one weapon from each type (I guess the one that looks best?) and your chase is done.

EDIT: Also, starting with "weak" guns and moving on to better ones gives you a sense of growth, the same way you start at 10 EGO and move towards 6000. Hey, let's make everyone start at 6000 because the guys that start at 10 EGO are too weak!

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You can't handle more than one choice of a weapon to use? MMO people make my head spin! I'm used to playing games like Battlefield 3 where all the guns are balanced and some guns may do more damage while others are more accurate or shoot faster. But most of the FRC guns don't have anything to counterbalance the weak stats! But I guess I'm wrong for wanting more gun variety other than the "holy six!" P.S. Nice one Ray!

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You can't handle more than one choice of a weapon to use? MMO people make my head spin! I'm used to playing games like Battlefield 3 where all the guns are balanced and some guns may do more damage while others are more accurate or shoot faster. But most of the FRC guns don't have anything to counterbalance the weak stats! But I guess I'm wrong for wanting more gun variety other than the "holy six!" P.S. Nice one Ray!

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This isn't Battlefield 3, it's Defiance.

EDIT: By the way.
FRC Magnum - Heavy damage per shot. This is guaranteed damage on contact instead of critical potential like a Wolfhound. It in comparison is more ammo efficient in situations in which landing critical hits is not realistic.

FRC Nomad SMG - Large base magazine size. VOT Pulser variants have around 60ish base.

FRC Particle Scattergun - Charge weapons can kill players instantly. You would also do well to compare a Combat Shotgun to another Combat Shotgun and not a Sawed Off like a Zagger (3m Falloff range).

FRC Heavy Scattergun - Lower damage than Birdshot Pump but higher fire rate. Compare this to the Slugger (which recently had its Accuracy fixed) which is a hit or miss weapon.

FRC Birdshot Pump - More damage than Scattergun but lower Fire Rate. Compare this to the Slugger (which recently had its Accuracy fixed) which is a hit or miss weapon.

VBI PAS Tornado - Charge weapon. This should be a Combat Shotgun iirc.

VBI Haar - Another Charge weapon, see explanation above about Charge weapons.

Just because you feel that a weapon is weak doesn't mean it can't serve a specific purpose of some sort. The only super weak weapon on this list is the FRC Nomad SMG, because it's the worst of two different SMGs. Naming 4 FRC weapon types as weak and calling for change doesn't negate the other viable FRC weapons (e.g. Quick Repeater, SAW, Big Boomer, Assault Carbine) that exist. You need to look at EVERYTHING instead of just picking and choosing what makes your argument sound best.

Good luck in your crusade for equality.

I just think this thread is funny, I'm a shotgun user, all kinds every kind. And most of the people on PS3/NA i chat with will tell you, I rock an oj FRC Bezerker Shotgun with Spinal Tap synergy and oj crit Sov Slugger....and I use my Bezerker most of the time, it's a monster in my setup!!! Sov Slugger is there for those pesky heavy shielded foes...

there are plenty of GOOD FRC guns out there not only do each gun has their strengths but each Manufacturer has their strengthy guns....
FRC Bezerker Shotgun (with Spinal Tap) this is just a barrage of lifestealing goodness - just saying.
FRC Big Boomer enough said here. LOL
FRC TeleSpanner was THE only BMG i've seen prepatched to have 0% charges on both Heal & DMG or even a negative% charge that actually refills you BMG.
FRC Heavy Assault Carbines with Stalker are a cool substitute to snipers if one doesn't like snipers ...and i can safely say i enjoy time to time tinkering with these unique guns for the hell of it.
FRC Saws are solid LMGs if you can handle a big recoil or get one with a more tamed kick.

So tell me.... does FRC "line up" really deserve a buff.... I say no. Do some genres of guns need a little TLC... sure!

only specific gun i'd like to see get a buff... VOLGE LIGHTNING RIFLE... even if was a small increase to Accuracy. I'd like to hit targets more than 10% of the time WITHOUT aiming at feet 2 yards from me..... make it 40% i'd take that at least wouldnt over power it.....though for being a gun that requires DLC and more sales... make it 75% accurate without feet aiming XD

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This isn't Battlefield 3, it's Defiance.

EDIT: By the way.
FRC Magnum - Heavy damage per shot. This is guaranteed damage on contact instead of critical potential like a Wolfhound. It in comparison is more ammo efficient in situations in which landing critical hits is not realistic.

FRC Nomad SMG - Large base magazine size. VOT Pulser variants have around 60ish base.

FRC Particle Scattergun - Charge weapons can kill players instantly. You would also do well to compare a Combat Shotgun to another Combat Shotgun and not a Sawed Off like a Zagger (3m Falloff range).

FRC Heavy Scattergun - Lower damage than Birdshot Pump but higher fire rate. Compare this to the Slugger (which recently had its Accuracy fixed) which is a hit or miss weapon.

FRC Birdshot Pump - More damage than Scattergun but lower Fire Rate. Compare this to the Slugger (which recently had its Accuracy fixed) which is a hit or miss weapon.

VBI PAS Tornado - Charge weapon. This should be a Combat Shotgun iirc.

VBI Haar - Another Charge weapon, see explanation above about Charge weapons.

Just because you feel that a weapon is weak doesn't mean it can't serve a specific purpose of some sort. The only super weak weapon on this list is the FRC Nomad SMG, because it's the worst of two different SMGs. Naming 4 FRC weapon types as weak and calling for change doesn't negate the other viable FRC weapons (e.g. Quick Repeater, SAW, Big Boomer, Assault Carbine) that exist. You need to look at EVERYTHING instead of just picking and choosing what makes your argument sound best.

Good luck in your crusade for equality.

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The stats says they are weak and with DLC Nomad is completely useless! Nice attempt to sell me on the FRC Magnum! I bet you couldn't tell me anything good about that gun with a straight face!
You must be using your guns on newbs because those are the only players that die in one hit from a PAS or Particle Scattergun!

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I just think this thread is funny, I'm a shotgun user, all kinds every kind. And most of the people on PS3/NA i chat with will tell you, I rock an oj FRC Bezerker Shotgun with Spinal Tap synergy and oj crit Sov Slugger....and I use my Bezerker most of the time, it's a monster in my setup!!! Sov Slugger is there for those pesky heavy shielded foes...

there are plenty of GOOD FRC guns out there not only do each gun has their strengths but each Manufacturer has their strengthy guns....
FRC Bezerker Shotgun (with Spinal Tap) this is just a barrage of lifestealing goodness - just saying.
FRC Big Boomer enough said here. LOL
FRC TeleSpanner was THE only BMG i've seen prepatched to have 0% charges on both Heal & DMG or even a negative% charge that actually refills you BMG.
FRC Heavy Assault Carbines with Stalker are a cool substitute to snipers if one doesn't like snipers ...and i can safely say i enjoy time to time tinkering with these unique guns for the hell of it.
FRC Saws are solid LMGs if you can handle a big recoil or get one with a more tamed kick.

So tell me.... does FRC "line up" really deserve a buff.... I say no. Do some genres of guns need a little TLC... sure!

only specific gun i'd like to see get a buff... VOLGE LIGHTNING RIFLE... even if was a small increase to Accuracy. I'd like to hit targets more than 10% of the time WITHOUT aiming at feet 2 yards from me..... make it 40% i'd take that at least wouldnt over power it.....though for being a gun that requires DLC and more sales... make it 75% accurate without feet aiming XD

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I'm guessing you didn't read the first page?

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The stats says they are weak and with DLC Nomad is completely useless!

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well... just hope you dont get one then! XD

all you have to do, try and get better loot, it's all a gamble. What if you went to the Casino and whine, why dont i win something everytime i pull the lever on the slots, or why dont i get anything rolling snake eyes... etc.

Why does Defiance have to comform to you!? -_- ....i'm done here.

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I'm guessing you didn't read the first page?

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going by the first thing I read. "Thread: Please buff FRC line of weapons!"

give it a rest.... you lost.

EDIT: i'll repost what I said "not only do each gun has their strengths but each Manufacturer has their strengthy guns...." & "Why does Defiance have to comform to you!? -_- ....i'm done here."

Frcs are good guns when your low/mid ego. They are cool then you progress and earn the emc -xar22. Frc cabin is cool till you get a frontier battle rifle. Frc big boomer, all good until you get a TN one..I still see many high ego players using their FRC Big Boomers to this day.