Probably not.
Ah well.
At least Nolan gets an Arch named after him. And gets to also roll where only Neil Degrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan have gone before....oh ya, and that Shatner guy.
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Probably not.
Ah well.
At least Nolan gets an Arch named after him. And gets to also roll where only Neil Degrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan have gone before....oh ya, and that Shatner guy.
I enjoyed those shows. Hopefully defiance gets renewed but not getting my hopes up. Wonder what it means for future of the game should the show be cancelled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana
It would mean they no longer need to issue a poor excuse for the lack of crossover content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olaf
Well, season 3 wasn't announced until late in Sept last year, so there still may be hope.
~snip~
NEW YORK – September 25, 2014 – Syfy today announced a third season for its original series Defiance, giving a 13-episode order to the action packed drama, and a second season for the epic supernatural thriller Dominion, which will also consist of 13 episodes. Both series are produ
There....fixed it for you.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by SirServed
Honestly? This show will be remembered as "Firefly 2.0"....in which the supposedly supporting network STILL couldn't figure out what to do with a show that would be a long-lasting hit...but died due to malnourishment and neglect from the network.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana
No Casey, they issued an excuse:Quote:
Originally Posted by Warhorse1000
It was just a poor excuse at best. Their answer was "because stasis pods". It's not like there were ever Episode Missions that revolved around other characters in the show that aren't Nolan or Irisa, that's just blasphemy.Quote:
Originally Posted by CM Kiwibird
I'm surprised this TV show is still around considering it lost half its viewers. From season 1 to season 3 the viewer count has steadily declined. Originally had 2 million plus viewers but by season 3 it dropped to its lowest count at just over 800k and then kinda flat-lining at 1 million. Declining viewer count doesn't bode well for any TV show, but hey they might renew for a fourth season. I doubt the loss of the TV show will have have bearing affect on the game.
edited to add - Melissa O'Neil (Two) from Dark Matter is so fine, initially watched the first episode to watch her but got hooked into the show. Still struggling to watch the rest of Killjoys, but both of those shows I found much more entertaining than Defiance the TV show.
Yeah those two shows are better than this. Never really liked Defiance but I watch it because of this game. Killjoys started bit boring but got better the further it went. Also I find it funny that Nolan can't drive car straight without constantly doing this little left to right motion with steering wheel :)
Just watched season 3 pilot and suddenly the show was good! People dying left and right and overall tone was darker plus cool new characters. Hopefully it lasts.
Defiance is a drawn out soap opera, focusing way too much on the Tarr family.
If they threw in a bit more plain ol' ark hunting and the odd viscera or two, I'd watch it...
I really enjoyed watching "Dark Matter"... Which was originally made by Space, a canadian TV. So, I think it would have got a season 2, no matter if Syfy had bought the rights to broadcast it or not...
I watched a couple of episodes of "Killjoys" and didn't really got into it...
And about Defiance...
I think we could have all enjoyed it even more if at some point of the show, any main character would have been given an EGO implant... and more actions, more gunfights, more impending doom and things that matter at stake...
Spoiler:
firely had 1 incomplete season - your statement is invalid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warhorse1000
I enjoyed firefly alot more than defiance show lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by doctordabs
Fixed that for you.. teeheeQuote:
Originally Posted by Lithova
I draw as many threads from Firefly toward Dark Matter as I ever did to Defiance.
And considering Defiance did as well in the ratings as either of the two shows mentioned: it seems wrong-headed of SyFy to renew those two and ignore Defiance.
Understanding that the only parallel is that Mal Reynolds and Joshua Nolan are blood brothers imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana
I think Dominion is a key factor and that either Dominion or Defiance will be renewed and the other cancelled. I like Dominion but after a good first season it has lost its way. Defiance still has mileage but that finale was just too final, I hope it survives.
Syfy doesn't pay for production of KJ and DM, just right to air, unlike Defiance (which is expensive) . Crossing my fingers for renewal though. Really want to see the Irisa/Nolan reunionQuote:
Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana
I would point out to SyFy that if they can't afford to produce Defiance they should get out of the business.Quote:
Originally Posted by irisawifi
Kevin Murphy mentions in his last interview how production staff were going to set-selloffs from other shows and getting materials for free.
All it takes is a good look at the sets and costumes to know Defiance was being produced on a shoestring.
Yeah I can't imagine Defiance being an expensive show to produce... but, seriously I hope they renew it for another season. Yeah Dark Matter and Killjoys are good shows but Defiance really brought an entire world to life IMO it's the most interesting and more unique show out of the three.
As mentioned above, maybe someone can get an EGO implant and they can spice up the show a little more to make it more exciting. I feel like that last episode could be a series finale, but hopefully not because its kind of weird how Nolan is left on his own in space now.. would be interesting to see what life is like down on Defiance without him...
Which is kind of appropriate, when one takes a minute of two thinking about it..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana
Where they spent well was in casting: I found MOST of the characterizations to be engaging and very well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by PithHelmetIrath
The only truly "weak" character (imo) is Alak. But even that is a qualified "weak". As the character is a bit if a spoiled, first-born.
Quite true, I agree completely. I was just making a comical stab at similarities between the show's (small) budget, and the game's (small) budget..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana
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Originally Posted by doctordabs
Firefly --- Cowboy/space/frontier survival mash-up.
Defiance --- Cowboy/space-age/frontier survival mash-up.
Malcolm Reynolds --- Space-age cowboy war veteran type with a heart of gold.
Joshua Nolan --- Space-age cowboy war veteran type with a heart of gold.
Firefly --- Genre mash-up that only survived one season and is now the single greatest cult classic in the history of television. Horrendously misunderstood by Fox Network.
Defiance --- Genre mash-up that has staggered for three seasons; durability yet to be determined. SyFy had big plans and failed outright to carry through on any of them.
And I could sit here and hold forth at length about character comparisions, but it's late in the afternoon here and I've got to pick up my kid from school.
So tell me dabs---in your infinite wisdom---what did I miss?
I stand by my assertions. You're dismissed, troll.
Wait, which show is Firefly 2.0? Defiance lasted three full seasons before the writers decided to put the main character on a bus. Dark Matter and Killjoys are being renewed for second seasons. Firefly didn't even get to finish its first season before the network killed it. If any show deserves the distinction of being "Firefly 2.0", it's Jake 2.0 (no pun intended), which I strongly recommend watching if you haven't seen it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warhorse1000
They did it right by bringing in at least a couple of faces that were familiar to sci-fi genre fans, in the form of Jaime Murray, Julie Benz, and Mia Kirshner (who I remember from "The Crow: City of Angels). Graham Greene was probably intended as the older-range actor and cast anchor, in a manner similiar to Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell in "Battlestar Galactica". I personally didn't know anything about Grant Bowler before the show, but I do now; he was much bigger in Australia than he was here. I remembered Tony Curran from "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" and the second "Underworld" movie. Didn't know anything about Jesse Rath, Nicole Munoz, or Trenna Keating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana
I do now...
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Originally Posted by IrisaLover
See my post above.
EDIT: Jake 2.0? You mean that one about the teenager with a computer inside his head? That's been done before too---John Schuck ("MASH" motion picture and the Klingon Ambassador in a couple of the "Star Trek" movies) had a one-season only series in the early '80's with that concept. Your comparison is so far out in left field you're not even in the ball park anymore. Try again.
Really? My Dark Matter crush is Five, the stowaway. For one thing, I like girls with obviously unnatural hair colors. But more importantly, she's a medical and tech genius, and I LOVE smart/nerdy girls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lithova
It wasn't resolved until the end of season 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyclown
I think you mean season 3 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Psyclown
I'm sorry but you can't list "cowboy" and "frontier survival" as two different things. Also, Defiance was post-apocalyptic, not space-age. They couldn't even fly aircraft above a certain altitude because of how screwed-up the atmosphere had become. In this sense, Defiance is far more comparable to Revolution (complete with an Evil Republic as a major antagonist) or The Walking Dead (complete with a Sheriff as the main character).Quote:
Originally Posted by Warhorse1000
Casey's caustic replies aside: There are lines that can be drawn from Firefly to the shows we are discussing left,right and centre.
My only true comparison for Defiance is the similarity between Joshua Nolan and Malcolm Reynolds.
There is no other true correlation imo.
What Joss Whedon DID introduce into the genre with Firefly/Serenity, was that you can have multiple characters with compelling histories to be explored.
This little device alone can give a well written show extra legs...if the writers are up to the task.
We could go on, and on with comparisons between different shows; but ultimately that's a fool's game.
While this present crop of "B" level sci Fi is entertaining, there is plenty of fare out there of even higher calbre.
Humans really got my attention, and Orphan Black remains a big favourite.
As a matter of fact: I think I'll watch Farscape: The Peacekeeper Wars again...while building a bike.
LOL no, I mean the one with the NSA agent with nanites in his bloodstream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warhorse1000
Except for the vaguely "wild west in the future" theme, and what you say next:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana
Nah, that had been around at least as far back as Star Trek: TNG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana
Farscape ceased to be worth watching by the time the opening credits started to play on "Self-Inflicted Wounds, part 1". That was the exact moment at which it simply stopped making any sense whatsoever and went into full Damon Lindelof mode. Replacing zen plant girl with irritating princess ***** didn't help, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana
Actually, I think the reverse, now they could have two shows!
DEFIANCE and um, OMEC IN SPACE! or whatever they want to call the brand new adventures of Nolan and Doc Yewll...
I just love the characters: Nolan, Badass to Omec Savior, Datak Tarr - crime boss to town hero, Doc Yewll (& her clones) always with witty comebacks, Berlin -- back from the brink! I thought they were going to write her out completely, I'm glad she's back...
and all the rest of the cast - outstanding job well done!
I do feel bad for all those characters who died, but they mostly got a good death - Game of Thrones Style.
And the Need/Want - wow, they could open that as a bar Franchise nationwide
(um, sorry boys, no brothel - but try the popcorn shrimp or Hellbug Hot Wings!)
Season 3 was just amazing, really - best yet, and Always surprising me with out the expected plot twists...
Season 4 will be AWESOME - Double Dose of Doc Yewll - Doc in Space, Doc's Clone rescued by Irisa on Earth.
As an Indogene clone, will she remember everything up to the point she was cloned ? (back when her imprint was stolen from her head by the Omec)?
Andromeda has multiple Rommies, all played by Lexa Doig expertly... (More recently seen on Continuum, playing Liber8 member Sonya Valentine .)
So I hope we can have some Doc Yewll in Season 4 to deliver more one-liner punch lines, pow! :-)
As soon as they announce pre-season sales of season 4, I'm buying it.
The funny thing is I don't even get 'SyFy' -
I first found DEFIANCE the TV show on Google Play, and bought the game in the 'clearance' section at a retail store.
I loved the show ever since - the most bold SciFi since Star Trek, and it goes Way farther than Star Trek ever did,
DEFIANCE ain't afraid to pull out some 'gansta' azz sheet' as Ramtak would say...again, if he was still alive in the show!
( Thank you to Lee Tergesen for giving a 10 star performance as Ramtak - baddest of the bad guys ever ! )
Wow, when I think of season 3, I look forward to more DEFIANCE !!!
That... could actually work! However, I don't really know what you could do with a show that has literally one permanent cast member while the rest of the crew is in stasis. I guess Nolan might have to make some new friends?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea_Jay
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Originally Posted by Sea_Jay
The first two seasons were brilliant. A mystery was set up in the pilot episode, and it turned out to be merely the first piece in a puzzle that took 2 seasons to finish, at the end of which everything fell into place and made perfect sense. then in season 3, the writers clearly lost their shat. Irisa was ruined as a character and her history retconned in the worst possible way (and in a way that directly contradicted The Lost Ones), then she got herself together and we got one thoroughly awesome episode, then Nolan was ruined as a character (am I seriously expected to believe that a guy who had no problem being the Butcher of Yosemite will start PTSDing over the deaths of maybe 20 people under his command?), then we got the worst series finale since Battlestar Galactica. It was like the original writing team left and a bunch of people who knew absolutely nothing about the show were hired to replace them...
Well, the cast budget has been reduced, Killed off so far:
The Entire McCawley family (Rafe, Plar(?), Christi, Quetin, and his brother Luke)
The Two Omecs Kidnzi & T'evgin, Need/Want owner Kenya Rosewater,
the Tarr's Servant Girl Andina , E-REP Niles Pottinger, Deputy Tommy Lasalle,
ambassador Olfin Tennety, and many others (Ram Tak, former Law Keeper Garet Clancy,
former Mayor Nicolette Riordon, Mr. Birch and several miners and townspeople.)
Season 4s budget would include the surviving cast, added new players, special effects, production crew, etc.
Considering the long list of characters who died in seasons 1, 2, and 3 - they have either: a smaller production cost, or more wiggle room with budget to add new characters, such as more aliens or waking up some Omec from their status chambers. Or how about some robots?
Other than the Volge, (and bioengineered Indogene) - we haven't seen any new cyborgs or full out robots / Votanis androids yet...
Nolan and Doc Yewll got a great send off - if they are out of the main story line too, but might be revisited later in what I hope are surprising plot twists, new special effects on a new planet, etc.
Sleeping but almost done growing Doc Yewll last clone is featured in many scenes right up to the very end of Season 3 - at the launch bay for the Omec transport pods - yup - right where Kidnzi was growing her copies for food...
The town of DEFIANCE needs it's doctor back, and the very last clone is lucky to escape the Omec dinner menu, as the main course!
I look forward to them waking her up.
More interesting is if SyFy and TRION KEEP THEIR PROMISE and integrate the two shows back together -
Van Bach is presumed to be Alive and well, since Berlin returned unharmed, and still plenty of alien tech to harvest and put to good use...
Lots of the Omec Tech got left behind!
Maybe a pod or two to transport people for a new adventure on a damaged Ark ship in orbit, or definately some drones that continue to auto-mine up Gulanite.
Trion BITS sales, and DVD / BluRay sales of season 3 will have an impact on Season 4.
I mean it when I say Defiance is the most Amazing Science Fiction since Star Trek,
and nurtured it can continue to grow and have more long term sales and profits.
They need to do more merchandising - selling goodies on ThinkGeek.
ThinkGeek has loads of Firefly stuff, Star Trek and Star Wars stuff, Dr. Who, Fallout 3, Skyrim, and many other SciFi shows too !
DEFIANCE should sell some stuff too - especially little Plush hellbugs (seen on the show!)
some drinking glasses from the Need/Want, Van Bach employee T-Shirts and Hoodies
(think geek sells Firefly BlueSun items, Skyrim, and New California Republic & Vault-Tec items this way.)
And absolutely, the collector's edition of GODDESS OF THE BADLANDS! in paperback !
Considering Defiance has higher ratings than one of the other shows they renewed, and
a very dramatic third season, things are looking 'up' for season 4 - up in space!
Where oh where do the Omec go ???
Star Trek:TNG introduced a level of production value onto the genre.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrisaLover
But it DID take Joss Whedon to demonstrate the ability to have multiple strong characters in the same episode. Each with their own part to play.
TNG was still of the " one character's story per episode" type.
The only show that I know of from that era which did have a multiple-arc within an episode formula was Babylon 5.
And even that is qualified.
In any case: We did not see the real advent of multiple arcs within an episode until just after the death of Firefly.
When studio execs finally realised that the old formula of focussing on an avatar character (*ahem* Jean Luc Picard), and having other characters as satellites to that character was outdated.
We are seeing an increasing amount of multiple-arc EPISODES these days. Not just seasons.
And I really feel we have Joss Whedon, and a handful of others for that.
Oh, and Farscape never stopped making sense.
Also: The reason they replaced the character of Pa'u Zotoh Zhaan was due to actress Virginia Hey was suffering from ill effects from the extensive makeup required for the role. Life threatening effects...
Let me add that I found Nolan's development through Season 3 to be utterly believable: PTSD is a chronic problem in combat Vets. And for Nolan to NOT suffer from some form of it was even MORE unbelievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana
The only problem I have with Season 3 is that it looks like the end.
I have this scenario in mind for mid season 4:
The Omec ship returns to Earth orbit, and Nolan's voice transmits planet wide, "All your base belong to us"... ;)
The VFX are expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by RenderedElite
I do wish there was more competition in scifi channels. I'm sure syfy makes more than enough with all their awesome reality shows, shark movies and wrestling. CW does give them a run for their money in the scifi dept .. and that's pretty sad. lol
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Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana
AGREED. smh
I have to disagree about Irisa. She has grown so much and I'm so proud of her development. No more emo-angry teen angst. She's much more mature and compassionate. I really love her even more after S3.Quote:
Originally Posted by IrisaLover
Nolan feeling guilt over the death of his very small militia is not far-fetched, imo. After years of fighting and being a "butcher", having to take a risk with people who were clearly not military or thoroughly/properly trained, would definitely take a toll on him. I liked to see that it affected him. It showed his human side.
I loved the ending. Nolan's dream came true. Heck, his dream is MY dream, so I was super happy for the character. If we get a S4, it would be awesome to see what he encounters, how the travel changes him, the reunion, etc.
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Originally Posted by Tex_Arcana
He would say that and I would be ROFLMAO :DD