Massive Gripe About Defiance

Okay, love the game and all, having a blast with it!

BUT DEM TIME TRIALS.

I don't know what it is, I don't do alot of driving games but I have done LOTS of time trials in other games and generally find them easy. However in this game, the terrain for driving is one of the worst I have experienced, again not alot of driving games etc but still seems it. The terrain can just send a car sideways for no reason. The random events spawning practically on top of the points, which has lead to my car being destroyed by hell bugs that can magically pop underneath a moving vehicle (Most broken mechanic in the game I have found)

And the cars control just seem bad, maybe it's because I haven't worked out how to do propper hand break turns etc, but for those of you that CAN drive, got any tips? Like how to handbrake turn etc... I really need these last 2 time trials silver'd so I can get these pursuits done..:cool:

I DO FEEL THAT DRIVING HOWEVER IS FINE FOR GETTING US AROUND THE MAP, JUST THOSE RACES BLOW

EDIT: Okay i've been doing more races, and a fair few of them are absolutely fine, although seriously, mobs, arfkalls and random events spawning on the tracks it getting frustrating as HELL.

I don't do any handbrake turns. If you have to do a handbrake turn tap the brake just enough to break traction. But generally speaking it tends to screw me up more often than not. Keep leveling up your runner skill. As you get it higher it becomes easier to do the time trials because you'll have a higher base speed and better boost. If you go off a big jump try to save a bit of boost for right before you hit the ground, helps maintain speed. If you have too many issues with a particular event spawning in the middle of the track clear it then race.

My biggest problem so far is when I was doing one race a hellbug hellion spawned in the middle of one of my gates, I couldn't get it until the arkfall was completed.

Edit: Boost at the gates with the rings, those gates fully recharge your boost, so try to time it so you're nearly out of boost as you pass through one. If you run out just before passing through it then boost as soon as you can after passing through to make up for it.

Update: This is by far the most broken thing I have experienced in a game for a very long time, Trion fix this driving pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. The driving shouldn't be for those people who are ****ing good at driving, give use driving newbies some le-way, basic mistake made guys.

Yeah Kom I find now for the 3rd time, when I have gone to turn,t he vehicle ignore what im controlling it to do and carries on going forward.

You all are gonna hate me for saying this but...I hope that at some point cars/atvs/trucks cannot drive through each other. And maybe make it so that vehicles cannot drive around Ark site running everything down. I don't mind the occasional, thanks buddy I have 15 bugs I'm trying to fight off drive right through take some out.

I think my only complaint is the turning radius of a 4 wheeler other than that keep mindful off terrain and you wont go flying off into left field.

TMK the driving is made easier by using a controller, as it seems to be designed around them. That being said, I just got used to the WASD which I despise. Mouse should be used, not just WASD.

I have managed to get gold in all time trials using WASD. But I understand not everyone is as comfortable or grew up playing racing games with the keyboard.

I'm using a controller xD

Just did the trial, no crashes, relatively bug free and was 40 second slower than the 1st place guys, which probably means 20-30 seconds away from sivler.

Swear if I don't get this tonight i'm returning this game, no point in it if I can't do these pursuits!

Okay I probably won't return it but this game goes from a 8/10 to 7/10 for this, (making me mad, which is dam rare thing for games to do)!

I'm with you on the pain of the driving. I spent 2 hours today just doing one race over and over...and was still 8 seconds short of silver on my best run. I'm on Xbox and am about ready to throw my controller threw the tv. Sadly, it's that way on every last race for me, even the first race I managed a silver by 1 second. :mad:

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Originally Posted by WaGzy

I'm using a controller xD

Just did the trial, no crashes, relatively bug free and was 40 second slower than the 1st place guys, which probably means 20-30 seconds away from sivler.

Swear if I don't get this tonight i'm returning this game, no point in it if I can't do these pursuits!

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Wow, ur gonna return the game because day 4 of the games release, u are not a professional baja driver? c'mon bro, i've hit every damn rock and tree in the game, but it beats the heck out poundin the ground on foot.

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Originally Posted by TwistedEvil

Wow, ur gonna return the game because day 4 of the games release, u are not a professional baja driver? c'mon bro, i've hit every damn rock and tree in the game, but it beats the heck out poundin the ground on foot.

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I edited it :P

Although I do agree that as far as getting us around the map, Driving is fine!

time your boost between gates, it refills the meter as you go through each one. just dont run out before you hit one!

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Originally Posted by Victim Eyes

time your boost between gates, it refills the meter as you go through each one. just dont run out before you hit one!

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I don't think they all refill it do they?

i use the ATV hammer-whatever and the time trials are a breeze to silver medal on and yes it refills my boost meter, just as long as you dont empty the boost gauge before hitting the next gate

edit: i think you might have to have boost engaged as you're going through the gate as well but not certain

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Originally Posted by Victim Eyes

i use the ATV hammer-whatever and the time trials are a breeze to silver medal on and yes it refills my boost meter, just as long as you dont empty the boost gauge before hitting the next gate

edit: i think you might have to have boost engaged as you're going through the gate as well but not certain

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Ah I will try that out when im next on!!

I'll be the one to say it. You just suck at driving it's fine the way it is.

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Originally Posted by rawrifficus

I'll be the one to say it. You just suck at driving it's fine the way it is.

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Oh im well aware im bad, but the game is not fine, i'm recording these bugs for youtube, the terrain is just buggy, the smallest pebble can throw the car completely off. Nor am I the only one who feels it's not right... They need to make the times more realistic for the lesser of us driver you see.

The only gates that refill your boost are the ones with the smaller circle rotation in the middle of them. The others do not.

so I just completed the Iron Demon Run time trial 2 seconds shy of Gold, after a single restart where my atv flew 50 feet into the air b/c of a hellbug spawn, anyway...to be more specific about the boost refill only certain gates refill your boost gauge, they have a little circle/coin spinning in the middle and you do not have to have boost running in order for it to refill. the other gates are just the arc with nothing inside of it.

hope this helps...


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Originally Posted by cfStatic

The only gates that refill your boost are the ones with the smaller circle rotation in the middle of them. The others do not.

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what he said

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Originally Posted by Victim Eyes

so I just completed the Iron Demon Run time trial 2 seconds shy of Gold, after a single restart where my atv flew 50 feet into the air b/c of a hellbug spawn, anyway...to be more specific about the boost refill only certain gates refill your boost gauge, they have a little circle/coin spinning in the middle and you do not have to have boost running in order for it to refill. the other gates are just the arc with nothing inside of it.

hope this helps...

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Ahh okay, thanks man and the one i'm failing consistantly at is the Mine Valley (Think that's the name) Its around Northish Marin.

challenge accepted. brb

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Originally Posted by Victim Eyes

challenge accepted. brb

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Haha, awesome :D

Also for those who don't think this game is super broken, it just started me in a race with no car... Had to wait 40 seconds for the race to realize and allow me to restart.

#ohdeartrion

The only issue I had with the time-trials was lag.

The gates wouldn't always appear for me, so I had to give up and try later.

And I've not done enough of the main quest to go over the bridge yet, so not done the last couple. Gold in all the rest with no trouble though.

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Originally Posted by Jestunhi

The only issue I had with the time-trials was lag.

The gates wouldn't always appear for me, so I had to give up and try later.

And I've not done enough of the main quest to go over the bridge yet, so not done the last couple. Gold in all the rest with no trouble though.

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Y U MAKE ME FEEL BAD

Seriously, you must just be good at driving games, do you play many?

As i've said before, it needs to be appealing to those that don't, they can't give us half-arsed terrain and expect non-driving game players to get silver/gold.

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Originally Posted by WaGzy

Y U MAKE ME FEEL BAD

Seriously, you must just be good at driving games, do you play many?

As i've said before, it needs to be appealing to those that don't, they can't give us half-arsed terrain and expect non-driving game players to get silver/gold.

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I used to, but no I'm not particularly good.

Other than lag causing the gates not to render (or as you just posted, not even giving you the vehicle) the only slight issues were event spawning on the track. But they are a temporary issue.

Obviously use a controller if you have it. Analog steering is much better than digital (keyboard = A pressed or not pressed, joystick = turn speed decided by how much you move the stick).

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The top times for each trial are well above the gold requirement, and well above my time too.

so after one pesky restart where they put a DAMN truck right next to one of the last checkpoints in the lap that happens to also be surrounded by a swarm of giant hellbugs...4:59!! lol phew...and i even screwed up the end of the second lap and had to turn around and hit that stupid checkpoint b/c i barely missed it. could have probably scraped by with a Gold.

I used that same ATV. I feel like if i was to use one of the dune buggies, which have higher top speed, it would have been a little bit easier due to some of the long straightaways...just cut the inside right corner on that truck at the end to hit that ill-placed checkpoint. that's what was troubling me and good luck!

edit: also, if you're using that crappy dodge pre-order car that could be your main problem. i dont believe its suited for off-road. i havent used it since day 1.

The races should stay as they are.

I've been using a controller (PS3) and so far I've only had problems with one race. Though after trying it over and over for an hour and a half I finally managed to get gold. I even beat the previous #1 on that race leader board by 3 seconds.
The next day I log on to find I've moved to #3 and the new #1 had beaten my by 3 seconds.

If you have problems with a race, go try a different one. Staying at the same race for extended periods only gets you more and more frustrated. Frustration leads to mistakes.

Practice. The game hasn't been out a week yet, don't expect to be getting gold at every race this early into the games life. After I did that one race for so long I went on and did three more races, getting good on my first try for each because of the practice I had gotten.

I am always 1 second shy of gold had this happen 15 times before raging to play some war thunder. Don't get me wrong I like a challenge but as the OP said DEM TIME TRIALS! /fliptables

They should be hard and should stay hard. I worked for my black challanger and so should you.

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Originally Posted by Red Dot

The races should stay as they are.

I've been using a controller (PS3) and so far I've only had problems with one race. Though after trying it over and over for an hour and a half I finally managed to get gold. I even beat the previous #1 on that race leader board by 3 seconds.
The next day I log on to find I've moved to #3 and the new #1 had beaten my by 3 seconds.

If you have problems with a race, go try a different one. Staying at the same race for extended periods only gets you more and more frustrated. Frustration leads to mistakes.

Practice. The game hasn't been out a week yet, don't expect to be getting gold at every race this early into the games life. After I did that one race for so long I went on and did three more races, getting good on my first try for each because of the practice I had gotten.

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Only looking for silver then i've done almost all exploration pursuits :/

I'm getting closer and closer now, will hopefully do it tonight!!

ALSO: Mamif, cba with a black challenger, white ftw.

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Originally Posted by WaGzy

Haha, awesome :D

Also for those who don't think this game is super broken, it just started me in a race with no car... Had to wait 40 seconds for the race to realize and allow me to restart.

#ohdeartrion

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Yea, and if that hadn't happened, you obviously would have gotten gold in the time trial.
You're super amazing at playing gaimz, but this one is just so badly designed that it won't let you get gold.
#imbadatgames #pleasefixittrion

Why even start a thread about this shtako, man? Just practice and get better at the game, or don't.

Sorry to take the rant out on you, but I'm just tired of all these threads.

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Originally Posted by Kennedy

Yea, and if that hadn't happened, you obviously would have gotten gold in the time trial.
You're super amazing at playing gaimz, but this one is just so badly designed that it won't let you get gold.
#imbadatgames #pleasefixittrion

Why even start a thread about this shtako, man? Just practice and get better at the game, or don't.

Sorry to take the rant out on you, but I'm just tired of all these threads.

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Calm down, didn't say that stopped me getting a gold, but it's an obvious, rather large bug, oh dear.Doubt i'm bad at the game, just the racing as well, seeing as i'm one of the people who wrecked the Nim boss fight and reguarly get top 3 in arkfall's and 1st in co-ops. #rantsomewhereelse

And to the non aggro forum guys who know how to have a discussion:

Just had the perfect first lap, did it about 10 seconds faster than usual, then at the end a random event has spawned and my car got blown up, then a bit further on, I ran into a load of 99er's who had wandered onto the course xD

Obvious troll?
Just trying to point out how useless it is to make threads like these - about finding parts of the game too hard, even though tons of other people have no problem with the difficulty.
Do we want things nerfed? I surely hope not.

I don't know, but I just LOVE the way it is! :)

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Originally Posted by Starskins

I don't know, but I just LOVE the way it is! :)

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I'm addicted to lockboxes and those legendaries man! Game is fine, just need to fix random events and such spawning in the middle of races :)

ALSO KENNEDY YOUR MISSING THE POINT COMPLETELY.

So it's fine that random events/arkfalls spawn in the middle of time trials? It's fine that it takes 10 seconds on some occasions to to pop up? It makes sense that a small pebble sometimes sends my car about 15 metres to the right and my boost randomly cuts out?

Let's say I missed the point then, I'm sorry.

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Originally Posted by WaGzy

So it's fine that random events/arkfalls spawn in the middle of time trials?

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That can be discussed.

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Originally Posted by WaGzy

It's fine that it takes 10 seconds on some occasions to to pop up?

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Sounds like latency issues on your end.

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Originally Posted by WaGzy

It makes sense that a small pebble sometimes sends my car about 15 metres to the right

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That's gotta be a bug.

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Originally Posted by WaGzy

and my boost randomly cuts out?

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It doesn't randomly cut out I believe - If it does for you, must be a bug too. However, if you stop using it, you have to wait a second or two before you can boost again. Even if you have full boost.

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Originally Posted by Kennedy

Let's say I missed the point then, I'm sorry.

That can be discussed.

Sounds like latency issues on your end.

That's gotta be a bug.

It doesn't randomly cut out. If you stop using it, you have to wait a second or two before you can boost again. Even if you have full boost.

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No I honestly mean I will have full boost, it will go for a few seconds then cut out, thought it was my controller but it seems fine, although this happens maybe once every 15 boosts..

And I had lag the other say so I switched from Wireless or Wired and now all the lag I was having (Slow rendering, hud taking ages to load in) Is definitely gone, so I don't think it's my side now, still though im just persevering I think now it's just this ONE race that got me, Miner Valley, seriously its brutal.

Oh yes, I remember Miner Valley.
Got me frustrated for a good 20min. Not because of bugs though, but because I kept making mistakes.

I hate the trails, challenges stuff... Think it should not be something we have to do... I do not do them and refuse too.

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Originally Posted by kyle939

I hate the trails, challenges stuff... Think it should not be something we have to do... I do not do them and refuse too.

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You don't have to do them.

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Originally Posted by kyle939

I hate the trails, challenges stuff... Think it should not be something we have to do... I do not do them and refuse too.

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Then rejoice.

As you in no way *have to* do them.