PvP Spawn Campers

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Originally Posted by edispilfnairb

Don't worry though, just nerf the weapons because that will stop spawn campers from killing you with other weapons.....LOL.

Great logic there. This is the same logic that has caused multiple nerfs that have changed absolutely nothing in pvp.

Even if the were to make standard load outs for pvp, that would not fix spawn camping. They have to create safe spawn zones and tweak from there.

I have said it before, and I will say it again. Create a bare bones/pvp mode. No huds, no Ego powers, and standard load outs. That way all the people that want to cry about losing because of op weapons will have no excuses to hide behind when they get their butt whooped.

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This...exactly this.

Yep let's change to BMGs only in PvP. I've been having fun using those lately.

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Originally Posted by snoglobe81

Yep let's change to BMGs only in PvP. I've been having fun using those lately.

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Lol someone tried to bmg me in pvp the other day. He ended up eating my French Hen barrel.

I'd love to use one in pvp though...just don't have one that would be even remotely effective.

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Originally Posted by Mrdr

Lol someone tried to bmg me in pvp the other day. He ended up eating my French Hen barrel.

I'd love to use one in pvp though...just don't have one that would be even remotely effective.

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I have an OJ telespanner with OJ damage I picked up in an expo. Completely t4 with a massive range. That's probably why I was able to lucky. Well that and grenades. Lol. 11 kills.

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Originally Posted by snoglobe81

I have an OJ telespanner with OJ damage I picked up in an expo. Completely t4 with a massive range. That's probably why I was able to lucky. Well that and grenades. Lol. 11 kills.

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Yeah that might do it. :)

Ok I read the whole thread.in my opinion spawn camping is cheap.but everyones gaming situation Is different.said spawn camper may be trying to complete pvp kill count.leaving the match is the simplest solution.creating a better way to spawn might help.or it could become the new way to kill and avoid death.players will abuse game mechanics to their advantage no matter what.

I prefer a spawn fix over a nerf.what nerfarious fails to see is that a nerf affect the weapon in the entire world not just pvp.we have already suffered through nerfing shotguns,saw,immunizers etc.all it did was render these weapons useless.autos and explosives are very important in open world,co op,and expos. if you fix them for pvp you break them for 3/4 of the rest of the game. thats not balancing.

The beauty of defiances pvp is its a run what you brung pvp.you can use anything.create your badest load out! Thats where your skill comes in to play understanding perks, shields,rigs, moding,and aquiring gear from others etc.if you want to see who is the best at using a controller play cod.or make your own game called sticks n stones.lol

Options to run private custom matches is the best solution in my opinion.giving options to control weapon pool in a private match could be fun.

asking dev to make pvp only weapon pool or limiting what player can use sucks

Nerfing weapons is a cheap way to ruin other players fun.come up with better solutions, like private custom matches.options to control weapons in match,say for a sword only match could be cool.but dont ask dev to decide for us.


Ive seen some crazy boomer wars in obsevatory lately and its been ridiculously fun.if cant beat em join em!


to nerfarious, one more time!!! take your ideas some where else!!! go play cod or something!! For the love of god!!!

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Originally Posted by Cygnus

Ok I read the whole thread.in my opinion spawn camping is cheap.but everyones gaming situation Is different.said spawn camper may be trying to complete pvp kill count.leaving the match is the simplest solution.creating a better way to spawn might help.or it could become the new way to kill and avoid death.players will abuse game mechanics to their advantage no matter what.

I prefer a spawn fix over a nerf.what nerfarious fails to see is that a nerf affect the weapon in the entire world not just pvp.we have already suffered through nerfing shotguns,saw,immunizers etc.all it did was render these weapons useless.autos and explosives are very important in open world,co op,and expos. if you fix them for pvp you break them for 3/4 of the rest of the game. thats not balancing.

The beauty of defiances pvp is its a run what you brung pvp.you can use anything.create your badest load out! Thats where your skill comes in to play understanding perks, shields,rigs, moding,and aquiring gear from others etc.if you want to see who is the best at using a controller play cod.or make your own game called sticks n stones.lol

Options to run private custom matches is the best solution in my opinion.giving options to control weapon pool in a private match could be fun.

asking dev to make pvp only weapon pool or limiting what player can use sucks

Nerfing weapons is a cheap way to ruin other players fun.come up with better solutions, like private custom matches.options to control weapons in match,say for a sword only match could be cool.but dont ask dev to decide for us.


Ive seen some crazy boomer wars in obsevatory lately and its been ridiculously fun.if cant beat em join em!


to nerfarious, one more time!!! take your ideas some where else!!! go play cod or something!! For the love of god!!!

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Cygnus gets it...

Boomer wars can definitely be quite fun and exciting...as can shotgun wars...I think it's how people get literally blown away. It's fun to watch someone fly across the screen after shooting them lol

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Originally Posted by Lamar Kendrick

if spawn camping in defiance is bad enough, i recall battlefield 3's spawn camping. can't escape your base without being bombarded by jets, helis & tanks surrounding your base. horrifying

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I remember we had a saying in bf3, the best way to break out of a spawn camp was to not get spawn camped. Lol. But in this game it is down right awful. I remember one day on freight yard as soon as you spawned you were blown up with a detonator, due to this a hole actually standing right up on the ledge where you spawn with a damage spike. I mean he was an enemy and he was ten feet from us. Then there are the super tryhard elites who zoom to enemy spawn and snipe everyone the second they try to drive off the ledge. And these are the same ones who talk smack all the time about pvp weapon choices. Let me stress this next point, any of you who think you are some kind of pvp god because you merc people on defiance, take your self perceived invincibility to battlefield. Go now. Do it. You will be slaughtered on maps that were designed by people who know what pvp is and weapons that actually take skill and practice to use. As it is here, give any new player one of the multiple one shooters or explosive weapons in game and they will be at your level immediately. All they have to do is spam the a button and lob Big boomer balls in your general direction.

It used to be way worse on freight yard, used to be that you spawned inside the building, and if 1 of your team mates decided to park cerb in front of the exit everyone got stuck, then it literally was like shooting fish in a barrel

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Originally Posted by Mrdr

Cygnus gets it...

Boomer wars can definitely be quite fun and exciting...as can shotgun wars...I think it's how people get literally blown away. It's fun to watch someone fly across the screen after shooting them lol

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Accept the "PVP police" qq bout which guns you use and complain to the devs and make false accusations against a player using a particular gun. Which is why I'm against private PVP until they make this game available to be hosted on public servers operated by the players I'm against private PVP...too many keyboard warriors abusing their false sense of authority over other players within their clan etc..

I hope they fix the maps along with making it so players who leave matches can't rejoin until at least 5 minutes or more time has pass. I also hope they implement dynamic spawning rather remain with the current spawn system which is static. Meaning players will always spawn at the regular known locations. That last option to make dynamic spawning would alleviate the spawn camping (it won't stop it completely but it would definitely help players).

Got a funny story about Freight Yard:

The other day I was helping a buddy with turret kills.

Now, we didn't have enough clannies online to do it the easy way, so we decided to wing it and try get them done in a random match. We managed to get in with myself and him on one side and his alt on the other, so we commandeered a Cerebus and rode off to just before the cliff of the other spawn point, fully expecting to be blown up by some random opponent.

By some miracle, we went unnoticed...

He proceeded to happily shoot his alt while I kept an eye on the action at A, marveling at how we hadn't been noticed yet.

One down... two down... switching back and forth between toons was slow work.

That's when a player on our team wandered over and started meleeing the cerbus, obviously irate about something - then they shouted out in team chat "STOP SPAWN CAMPING, you @##!!s!"

We mentally shrugged and continued until he had his turret kills. Once done, we jumped into the match and did our bit, although we did lose.

I did whisper the team mate and apologise after, though, but we did think it was pretty funny.

I'm still waiting for a vid of us "spawn campers" to appear on Youtube though...

I have played Defiance now for about 1.5 yrs and until now avoided pvp due in large part to the horror stories here on the forum ( I won't rehash the issues we are all aware ). Over the last three or four days I have immersed myself in pvp and tbh I don't see that much spawn camping in the staged maps but in the quick matches it's rampant, and being done by players that everyone knows to be veterans (as vet as you can be on ps3na). All I want is to get my pursuits done, but the campers and the thunderbunnies (my term for hopping boomers )make it a miserable experience and once I'm done with the pursuits I'm done with pvp.
I guess what confounds me is the 6k egos camping and playing thunderbunny in pvp, I mean the rewards for winning sw are minimal at best so why bother.

Lmao @thunderbunnies......
I refer to em as jackrabbits on ****(especially when the use BLUR)


Imo this nerf shtako is just pointless... just cuz ppl cry all the time about a weapon being OP.... but i guess nerfing guns is easier then ACTUALLY fixing some basic problems that would require any effort.....

All they had to do was add a short invincibility timer after jumping off the wall and make the spawn area a no kill zone. 80% of the noobtubers don't have a clue and are easy to defeat anyway.