[Guide] Scopes/Sights

I'm actually rather bummed, surprise and a bit confused as to why the Devs didn't include some basic "common sense" sights for SMGs and Assault Rifles like our military uses today!?!?!

You know...Reflex Sights for Assault Rifles as an option!?!

Definitely for shotguns!!

Maybe even a laser dot for pistols!?

http://www.opticstore.com/SM13003C-S...cle%20page.jpg

Thank you for this! I've put in feedback that there should be a view preview of the mod (what it looks like through the scope). This is nice to see, though, in the meantime!

Scope mods actually lower your accuracy, not give bonuses. -accuracy is actually the beneficial stat (shows up as a random modifier) +accuracy actually hurts your aim. Should make note of that.

Have to admit that I'd like to see some sort of low zoom Red Dot Sight for use on SMG/LMG/AR's etc.
They are common enough, even my telescope has one !
http://forums.defiance.com/attachmen...3&d=1366968865
Not a great pic - (it was cold & dark) - but you get the idea!

Yeah wise idea! until they fix it! thanks <3

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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch

Scope mods actually lower your accuracy, not give bonuses. -accuracy is actually the beneficial stat (shows up as a random modifier) +accuracy actually hurts your aim. Should make note of that.

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I thought -accuracy was a penalty, so my orange vot bolter with -0.30 accuracy is actually better than I thought.

-Accuracy = Good
+Accuracy = Bad

All scopes and Run & Gun synergy currently have a detrimental effect to your weapon. This is obviously not intended but it remains a bug in the game nonetheless.

If you mod a Sniper Rifle with a Telescopic Scope III (+0.30 Accuracy) your pinpoint accuracy will start missing head shots like crazy. Shots will stray left and right off target making the Sniper Rifle useless. If you have a -0.30 Accuracy Sniper Rifle and then add a Scope you won't be affected. The same applies to all Scopes in the game. None of my weapons have Scopes at the moment. Thankfully the default Sniper Scope is actually really good.

Great guide of the scope views... Thanks Moon :)

thanks for the guide :)

You are pretty much my hero! THANK YOU! I ruined many a gun with crappy scopes.

thank you for providing a service that trion obviously should have in-game (preview the scope). Too bad this info is useless until trion fixes the fact that they made a stat do the exact opposite of what it's intended to do.

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Originally Posted by Neofit

Here, did it for you.

And now for the real sniper rifle scopes guide, with more info than just pretty pictures ;) :

Here is the gun I was testing with, no mods:

http://s24.postimg.org/53veiv1tt/Def...illa_Looks.jpg

Here is how it looks modded, all three tested scopes give the same look:

http://s24.postimg.org/vdgh1nnr5/Def...ghts_Looks.jpg

All pics were taken with my back at the vending machine. All scopes provide +0.10 "Aim Accuracy", whatever that means. I'd venture to say that the "+" suggest something is somewhat better.

The original sights on the unmodded gun:

http://s1.postimg.org/6dexrwx3f/Defi...lla_Sights.jpg

The Marksman Scope sights:

http://s4.postimg.org/7255xnkl5/Defi...ope_Sights.jpg

The Sharpshooter Scope sights:

http://s17.postimg.org/o33pmn28b/Def...Scope_Sigh.jpg


The Telescopic Sights sights:

http://s16.postimg.org/70xnfn15t/Def...ghts_Sight.jpg

As we can see, both the Marksman and Sharpshooter sights give a lower magnification than the original un-modded sights. Only the Telescopic Sights provide a better magnification. Too bad they look as if they were taken from a Hello Kitty gun.

I dare hope that the awful magnification of the first two scopes is an oversight and will be fixed. Now, of course I expect that some devs and fanbois would roleplay around the issue and say that these scopes are designed for real "Marksmen" and "Sharpshooters", hence the name, and these dudes don't need any magnification whatsoever, but I hope that common sense will still prevail.

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I just sent this over to the bug section but then I got to thinking. What if the two scopes with lower magnification are supposed to be that way. Could this allow you to use a sniper rifle in a more assault rifle role? There is the one sniper rifle with the really high rate of fire comes to mind. Also the one the double taps each pull of the trigger. If you can calm the recoil and reduce the zoom with one of these scopes I could see this working. I will try this out tomorrow.

To be honest the best solution to this issue would be a second catagory of mods for Iron Sights.

basically you have the option to either add a scope for magnification or add iron sights and these will allow first person aiming using a mounted sight rather than a clumsy scope. same accuracy bonus but easier for AR/SMG/Pistol

I'm not sure if it was a bug, but I put a scope on a sniper rifle (a green t2 scope) and couldn't hit stationary POW's for crap. In fact the only way I could hit something was from the hip. The -0.10 accuracy seems to be quite significant.

Incredibly helpful, thank you!

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Originally Posted by Mike Chone

I'm not sure if it was a bug, but I put a scope on a sniper rifle (a green t2 scope) and couldn't hit stationary POW's for crap. In fact the only way I could hit something was from the hip. The -0.10 accuracy seems to be quite significant.

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I've had the exact same thing happen to me as well, I tend to think that accuracy is either still bugged and -accuracy is detrimental but only for Sniper Rifles. Either way I stopped adding scope mods to any sniper rifles after having been burned by that too.

I noticed the latest patch notes says something about scopes being fixed, has anyone confirmed this to be true? (PC Version hopefully)

Too bad commando, scatter, and stabilization were changed to the sniper sharpshooter scope... I hate that scope.

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Originally Posted by M00N

This post will show the designs of each scope in the game so far! The magnification, general looks of it and field of view! Will add others as they come along!

We have to remember Scopes gives bonuses to Accuracy! Thats all good! Check up and see if any of the scopes match your preferences! And remember check those stats to to match them up to your playstyle! Aim, Accuracy & Movement Accuracy!

Also as there are no way to preview them before modding them into a weapon (and risk wasting mods if its a scope you dont want) here they are. Enjoy!

(PS. ON PAGE FOUR YOU CAN SEE DRAW DISTANCE/RANGE, MADE BY NEOFIT)

ASSAULT RIFLES - LMG's - SMG's

Assault Scope - Aim Accuracy
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps099eef5f.jpg

Commando Scope - Aim Accuracy
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps96470372.jpg

Stabilization Scope - Aim Accuracy & Movement Accuracy
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps951c07a4.jpg

Tactical Scope - Aim Accuracy
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...psd861d779.jpg

SHOTGUNS

Hip Spread Scope - Accuracy
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps3ab8cb15.jpg

Scatter Scope - Accuracy & Movement Accuracy
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps7c9dfb5c.jpg

SNIPER RIFLES

Marksman Scope - Aim Accuracy
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps9fc420b0.jpg

Sharpshooter Scope - Aim Accuracy
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps6cd6c98c.jpg

Telescopic Scope - Aim Accuracy
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps9a80eaff.jpg

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Really like the images, but could you help us collect stats for mods to go with the screen shots? So we can decide whether or not to use a mod or wait for a better one. I find that for my self that I track and lead the target, then I pop into the scope and fire to get the aimed bonus on ones that I can kill easy.

I find it hard to know what is out what is out there when a tier 2 scope can have a better value than some tier 3 scopes.

Thank you,

P.S.

Thiess are what I have in my inventory at this time

(Pistols)

Advance Scope III mod: Aim Accuracy - -0.30

Mobile Adjustment Scope II Mod: Accuracy - -0.20
Movement Accuracy - x0.90

Mobile Adjustment Scope II Mod:
Synergy: Brutal
[1] +5% Melee DMG
[2] +10% Melee DMG
[3] +5% Reload on a melee kill
[4] +10% Reload on a melee kill
Accuracy - -0.20
Movement Accuracy - x0.90

Precision Scope II Mod: Accuracy - -0.20

Precision Scope III Mod: Accuracy - -0.30

Ultimate Scope II Mod: Accuracy - -0.20

(AR's SMG's LMG's)

Assault Scope II mod: Aim Accuracy - -0.20

Commando Scope III mod: Aim Accuracy - -0.30

Stabilization Sight II Mod: Accuracy - -0.20
Movement Accuracy - x0.90

Tactical Scope III Mod: Aim Accuracy - -0.30


(Guided Rocket Launchers)

Rapid Acquisition System II Mod: Lock On Time - -0.30

Rapid Acquisition System III Mod: Lock On Time - -0.40

Target Recovery System II Mod: Lock On Time - +0.30


(Shotguns)

Scatter Scope III mod: Accuracy - -0.30
Movement Accuracy - x0.85

Shotgun Hip Spread Mk2 Mod: Accuracy - -0.20


Shotgun Hip Spread Mk3 Mod: Accuracy - -0.30


(Manual and Semi-Auto Sniper Rifles)

Sharp shooter Scope II Mod: Accuracy - -0.20

Telescopic Sight II Mod: Accuracy - -0.20

Telescopic Sight III Mod: Accuracy - -0.30



I hope to see others add to this list in the future

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Originally Posted by thebigrig

I just sent this over to the bug section but then I got to thinking. What if the two scopes with lower magnification are supposed to be that way. Could this allow you to use a sniper rifle in a more assault rifle role? There is the one sniper rifle with the really high rate of fire comes to mind. Also the one the double taps each pull of the trigger. If you can calm the recoil and reduce the zoom with one of these scopes I could see this working. I will try this out tomorrow.

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I use a Marksman Scope on my Bolt Action Rifle. I usually engage the enemy at mid to close range with a sniper rifle, especially in a group. I even go for head shots with a bolt action at melee range. This is just how I play and I think the low magnification scopes are for my play style.

Bump for an extremely useful thread. Would love it if scopes for other weapons were put here as well.

The Launch Scope for Rocket Launchers is exactly like the Telescopic Scope for Snipers.

Awesome thread. Thanks.

Some of the scope designs are terrible. Yeah I know the artists like to make them look fancy and futuristic, but no one would want to use a scope that's so full of lines and blue tint that it obscures your vision.

Iron sight mods would be great, especially for shotguns. Who the hell would try to use a scope on a shotgun?!?

For the shotgun what does the scatter scope and hip spread scope do when shooting from the hip. Do both of them shorten the reticules or how do they affect the hip shot.

http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps7858c890.png

Has anyone done an actual comparison of the various pistol scopes that show the differences in magnification on the same target? I'd be interested in seeing how they look side by side.

So every keeps saying that (-)0.30 accuracy is better than (-)0.20, etc.

I have a shotgun that started out at 12 accuracy. I put a blue Hip-spread on, and now the accuracy is 11.7, which is red compared to the 12. Why is this 'better'?

I assume I'm missing something profound?

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Originally Posted by M00N

ASSAULT RIFLES - LMG's - SMG's

Assault Scope - Aim Accuracy
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps099eef5f.jpg

Commando Scope - Aim Accuracy
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps96470372.jpg

Stabilization Scope - Aim Accuracy & Movement Accuracy
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...ps951c07a4.jpg

Tactical Scope - Aim Accuracy
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...psd861d779.jpg

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I really like the Assault scope...or maybe ...idk they all look good

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Originally Posted by crasher

So every keeps saying that (-)0.30 accuracy is better than (-)0.20, etc.

I have a shotgun that started out at 12 accuracy. I put a blue Hip-spread on, and now the accuracy is 11.7, which is red compared to the 12. Why is this 'better'?

I assume I'm missing something profound?

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Accuracy is the distince from center your bullets/pellets will fly, that's why a -0.30 is better than a -0.20. They just have not fixed the feedback information from red to green.

thanks good info

Keep in mind this is all subject to change with the changes that were discussed for scopes...

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Originally Posted by GaryStelmack

Hi there!

My name’s GaryStelmack and I’m a senior designer on the mechanics team. Our team’s focus is on pretty much everything that you can make your character do: from jumping to shooting to driving to EGO Powers.

Over the coming weeks, you’ll notice more posts direct from devs on changes and additions we’re looking to make to the game to improve the experience. We want to give you not only a heads-up about what’s coming down the pipe -- both as part of DLC and more incremental updates -- but also explain why we’re making those changes, and perhaps most importantly, give you a chance to share your thoughts on this stuff.

We’re going to start off small today, so our first topic deals with some sight (or scope) mod changes we’re working on.

Our plan is to update them with some small but critical changes. The overall goal is to have clearer and more meaningful choices when selecting a sight mod, and in particular, ensuring that there is some benefit to adding some sight mods to weapons even if you don’t want to look through a scope in aim mode.

Any existing sight mods you have in your inventory or already slotted into a weapon will be updated with these changes and all future sight mods that come from drops, lock-box contents or vendors will work like the following:

Assault weapon mods

• The scope overlay from the maneuver accuracy mods will be removed. Restricting peripheral vision with the scope overlay is antithetical to the idea of these mods which seek to improve your ability to use the gun effectively while moving.
• The description of the accuracy mods will be revised to indicate that they add a scope overlay and what the level of zoom is. Currently, the Tactical, Commando and Assault mods all have the same stats, but provide different levels of zoom, and there is no indication of that difference until you put the mod on the weapon.
• The names of the accuracy mods will be changed. The Tactical mod offers the lowest level of zoom, while the Assault mod offers the highest. By reversing the names on these, the Assault mod would become the one with the lowest level of zoom, which matches the generally dynamic nature implied by the title Assault.
• The lowest level of zoom on the accuracy mods is the same level achieved by aiming an Assault Rifle without the mod on it. We intend to remove the scope overlay from these mods (formerly called Tactical Scope and now called Assault Scope), and let it keep the weapon’s normal aim camera so that there is an accuracy mod that does not restrict peripheral vision, which is more in line with the typical use of SMG’s and LMG’s. The other two levels of zoom would have the scope overlay, to allow for greater precision at longer ranges.

Pistol Mods

• These mods would undergo the same changes as the assault weapon mods, with the exception of the renaming. The descriptions would be updated to show if it provides a scope overlay. The lowest zoom level accuracy mods and the maneuver accuracy mods would have the scopes removed from them.

Shotgun Mods

• These mods would undergo the same changes as the pistol mods.

Sniper Rifle Mods

• The description text would be updated to reflect the level of zoom offered by the mods.
• The two lower level zoom mods both reduce the effective base zoom of the sniper rifles. Having a lower level of zoom does provide greater combat awareness, so we don’t want to eliminate that. The sight mods would provide one type that would reduce the zoom level, one that would not change the default zoom level of the rifles and a third that would increase it to the level currently provided by the highest level of zoom on the mods.

Rocket Launcher Mods

• The description text would be updated to reflect the level of zoom offered by the mods.

We hope you’re as excited as we are by getting more of an insight and influence on what we’re working on, and we’d love for you to share any thoughts you have on the above described mod changes.

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Accuracy is the distince from center your bullets/pellets will fly, that's why a -0.30 is better than a -0.20. They just have not fixed the feedback information from red to green.

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So whether it's red or green, you're saying that 11.7 accuracy is better than 12, and '0' accuracy would be better than 11.7 accuracy?

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Originally Posted by crasher

So whether it's red or green, you're saying that 11.7 accuracy is better than 12, and '0' accuracy would be better than 11.7 accuracy?

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Correct, 0 would be no deviation from the center of your sights. On a side note weapons that have a negitive value(the number at the bottom) to there accuracy (I.E. Tacmag with accuracy bonus of -0.50 or more) will still count as a 0 since you cannot go lower that 0(even though it says it is lower).

Thanks for this

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Originally Posted by Maitreakow

Keep in mind this is all subject to change with the changes that were discussed for scopes...

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True, but that was posted a month ago, and there is still no ETA or other significant progress on those changes that I'm aware of.

Update from the Alpha server...

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...t.-the-changes.

Deleted. Nvm, the new changes are confusing.

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...F6C195B5D47F2/

I've found this thread when I checked for info on the various sights available on the market. Thank you all for the info!
I remembered the posting above when I found the VOT Surge Bolter today. That gun has this sight as standard.