I feel like more dose so lil damage n ppl thinks there r useless in pvp n pve please could make some kind of change to make it more appealing to other players thx have great day
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I feel like more dose so lil damage n ppl thinks there r useless in pvp n pve please could make some kind of change to make it more appealing to other players thx have great day
yea syphon needs a buff since it was nerfed before plates went live
a little more dmg and lifesteal would be cool to pair it with the other nanos
it does less damage because it steals life and steals less life only comparitively now that we have other lifesteal weapons With nanos, the nanos do the extra damage, we are lucky to have them, previously all we had for lifesteal was syphon.
Exactly, so now it's time for a buff.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrE
Maybe a "Syphon Shield" that reduces damage taken by a certain amount for a few seconds when Syphon procs.
syphon shield to absorb a certain ammount of incoming damage maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteStrike
no my pint was that a buff is not needed if you know what you are doing you can increase the effect anyway.
Least they can increase the lifesteal on pve n damage
syphon got nerfed because its too op
You're correct.....It was over nerfed and needs to be brought back inline with other nanos.... Currently very few ppl use any Syphon nano guns because of the over nerf.Quote:
Originally Posted by llls1cKb0ylll
syphon was nerfed because it was way to op. if it gets buffed . it will effect bit store sales of hunters reqs. it will just get knocked back down again.
maybe we can test the syphon nano to penetrate armor plates similar to radiation and see how effective that is
no, just noQuote:
Originally Posted by RJ the Great
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Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210
Key words "was way to op" lol Needs a slight tweak.... Atm they might as well remove it completely like they did acid nano because its completely useless...
acid nano got coverted to rad. syphon is just fine as isQuote:
Originally Posted by Squint_421
I would rather see syphon do 15% more dmg with 7.5% lifesteal. I think that would be a better balance for dmg/lifesteal.
But then how would I troll people in PvP with a Syphon Hallow Point AR?Quote:
Originally Posted by konstantinov
Or my misanthrope... You can't take this away from me kon. I need my immortality.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteStrike
I'm assuming that none of you saw the Defiance live stream where they stated that there will be changes made to syphon but as yet they have not said what those changes will be except they will be some kind of buff not a nerf.
the reason is got a nerf is because thats all people would use. syphon and nothing else.
People use to use syphon BRs in pvp in early 2013. 90% of the people here wouldn't know that but it happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210
syphon couriers too........Quote:
Originally Posted by konstantinov
I remember Eric Surr using a mass cannon on observatory when they were trash. SS4_Sean aka Super Vegeta was the go to guy for couriers.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210
samus too..Quote:
Originally Posted by konstantinov
I still talk to Samius quite a bit on ps4.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210
The thing that the devs are apparently neglecting to take into account is, that while it might have made sense then, now we have synergies with life/shield steal. Nano's are supposed to fill a specific role but syphon becomes redundant when players can use guns with any other nano and still get the benefit that syphon provides. Without a buff there is not enough to set it apart from these synergies and will continue almost completely unused.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210
I have a t6 syphon fop BR that I use a lot. I personally love syphon and if they buff it great but if not I'll be ok too. Just because some (most) don't agree or even like it is no reason to remove it though. There are are many different weapon types I rarely use but that doesn't mean I feel they should be removed from the game. One of the things I enjoy most about playing is the ability we have to personalize the guns we use (type, nano, rolls, mods) to our different styles of play or situations. It's not a "here is your gun go shoot stuff" game unless you want it to be.
Is this thread also reflecting upon the Arktech dlc's skill tree options of buffing syphon skills?
using 1000 as the dps figure (for example's sake, an easy number). Result is lifesteal per second with 1000 dps, with dlc5's bloodsucker and deadly apparition active.Quote:
Originally Posted by konstantinov
(1000*1.067)*0.10=106.7
(1000*1.217)*0.075=91.275
Your idea would actually be a major nerf.
Unless you're talking about a 15% damage increase and 7.5% lifesteal for the nano itself, as in the nano itself does an additional 15% damage and 7.5% lifesteal without the dlc5 perks.
Then it'd work out to
(1000*1)*0.05=50
(1000*1.15)*0.075=86.25
and just for comparison to the above with DLC5 active figures: (1000*1.217)*0.135=164.295
Now that'd actually be a buff.
1.217 because 1+0.67+0.15 & 0.135 because 7.5% base syphon lifesteal plus dlc5's +lifesteal perk for syphon
The current 0.05 lifesteal based on ingame testing from a while back (syphon lifesteal without dlc5 and without proc). Which might be more like 4% but definitely somewhere in the 4-5% range.
More dmg would definitely not hurt syphon, but any kind of decrease in the amount of lifesteal would hurt it. The lifesteal effect of syphon is exactly what sets it apart from other nanos.