Will ION Insulator remain nerfed? Destro or Rarnok confirm.

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07-31-2016, 04:04 PM
WhiteStrike

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Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210

exl gear has its long fulfilling chase to get some gear. unlike the ion shield . why else do the exl event? . if its not to got to get money for needy kids? and to try to collect exl gear?

To be fair, 25 minors isn't easy considering that they disappear in less than 2 minutes.
07-31-2016, 04:06 PM
DEATHBRINGER210

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Originally Posted by WhiteStrike

To be fair, 25 minors isn't easy considering that they disappear in less than 2 minutes.

my friend got 6 ions on 6 , 6k toons before the weekend started.
07-31-2016, 04:11 PM
WhiteStrike

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Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210

my friend got 6 ions on 6 , 6k toons before the weekend started.

Kinda difficult on a server like EU that has at maximum 3 shards active.
07-31-2016, 04:28 PM
Chump Norris

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Originally Posted by WhiteStrike

Some special shields, such as the Ion, Guardian Angel and EXL shields for example, get a minor boost in the 6 point system.
And it would have the same cap than a DH but a Nano resistance which shouldn't be the case.

DH gets great syns to make up for that nano resistance Ion gets..
07-31-2016, 04:30 PM
Chump Norris

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Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210

exl gear has its long fulfilling chase to get some gear. unlike the ion shield . why else do the exl event? . if its not to got to get money for needy kids? and to try to collect exl gear?

EXL event is all about getting money for kids, the fact you need some loot chase to make you want to participate speaks volumes.
07-31-2016, 04:33 PM
Chump Norris

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Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210

my friend got 6 ions on 6 , 6k toons before the weekend started.

So just be honest and say it..

You don't want people to have what you consider easy access to a shield that might compete with your DH.

I could respect the honesty, but skip the whole trying to make it about the kids stuff.
07-31-2016, 04:36 PM
Kuroro

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Originally Posted by Chump Norris

I could respect the honesty, but skip the whole trying to make it about the kids stuff.

lol i loved that part, it is the quote of the year: "do you want to nerf the money the kiddos get?"
07-31-2016, 04:40 PM
DEATHBRINGER210

the rewards chase is what keeps us playing? or what other reason is there .
07-31-2016, 05:02 PM
Chump Norris

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Originally Posted by DEATHBRINGER210

the rewards chase is what keeps us playing? or what other reason is there .

Speaking about EXL..

So you already forgot about raising money for the kids? Is the sole reason you do EXL to collect shields?
07-31-2016, 05:05 PM
WhiteStrike

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Originally Posted by Chump Norris

DH gets great syns to make up for that nano resistance Ion gets..

The Insulator gets a shield effect.
07-31-2016, 05:18 PM
Chump Norris

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Originally Posted by WhiteStrike

The Insulator gets a shield effect.

DH - Boosted Cap and really great Synergies (FW/WW).

pre nerf ION - Boosted Cap and Shield Effect with nano res.

Seems fair to me but lets try to make it more fair.

Expo Shield - Synergy that Boosts Shield/Health cap and Damage, has shield abilities, o and nano resistance.

ION was going to be so unfair though..

This wasn't about the ION being OP it was about the DH staying top dog and making sure the "noobs" didn't have a shot at something with a similar cap.
07-31-2016, 05:41 PM
Mrdr

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Originally Posted by Chump Norris

This wasn't about the ION being OP it was about the DH staying top dog and making sure the "noobs" didn't have a shot at something with a similar cap.

Exactly. Same for the pipers...

Still trying to sort out the 6 point system. I get the concept but the values in the example provided seem arbitrary at best. I'm t also doesn't justify the nerf or explain how ion would've been more "OP" than other shields of similar cap values. The difference between the DH and the ion as far as capacity goes is less than 1 bullet worth of dmg.
07-31-2016, 06:22 PM
Chump Norris

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Originally Posted by Mrdr

Exactly. Same for the pipers...

Still trying to sort out the 6 point system. I get the concept but the values in the example provided seem arbitrary at best. I'm t also doesn't justify the nerf or explain how ion would've been more "OP" than other shields of similar cap values. The difference between the DH and the ion as far as capacity goes is less than 1 bullet worth of dmg.

I didn't give the point system post much thought because the DH goes over the 30k which equal 3pnts according to the system so it's not relevant as far as I'm concerned.

Looking back at it though things like "Recharge Rate: 1 point (10%)" and "Recharge Rate: 2 points (40%)" I don't understand how 30% more only equates to 1 extra point..
07-31-2016, 06:38 PM
Skiller115

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Originally Posted by WhiteStrike

The Insulator gets a shield effect.

Yeah it gets the most useless affect that works only on one source of damage
07-31-2016, 06:43 PM
Chump Norris

Just curious would DH owners have complained had they went with a nerf like this?

http://i63.tinypic.com/1zgwyl5.jpg

Or is it all about the cap and keeping good cap shields out of the hand of "noobs"?
07-31-2016, 06:59 PM
Bentu

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Originally Posted by Skiller115

Yeah it gets the most useless affect that works only on one source of damage

I'd hazard a guess that each new event will have one similar but just a different flavour.
07-31-2016, 07:21 PM
Tanqueray

keep it the way it went live but change the bonus effect to be 12% less dmg while shield "not full"

Id oj the crap out of that
07-31-2016, 07:32 PM
doctordabs

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Originally Posted by Destromathe

Hey All,

A "nerf" would constitute something that was changed after it went live. In this case, we put a shield on PTS for testing, and found in that testing that it was a bit too strong comparatively. The final product that you see on live is where we intend to keep it, and if that changes we will be sure to let everyone know!

As always, remember that PTS content is never final, and can change prior to Live release.

oh come ON man
that chase was long and not fulfilling at all..... at least make it oj or give us a choice in a useless shield or a event jp of our choice..

(speaking of... 3 events now and no jp or ojmod drops? seriously this rng is trash)
07-31-2016, 07:56 PM
Chump Norris

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Originally Posted by doctordabs

oh come ON man
that chase was long and not fulfilling at all..... at least make it oj or give us a choice in a useless shield or a event jp of our choice..

(speaking of... 3 events now and no jp or ojmod drops? seriously this rng is trash)

Rarnok even went out of his way to show us what the upgraded versions of our shield would look like but according to Destro we should have just ignored him..

This pursuit was a chase for vendor trash and it looks like it will remain that way :(
07-31-2016, 08:05 PM
Kuroro

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Originally Posted by Chump Norris

Just curious would DH owners have complained had they went with a nerf like this?

Or is it all about the cap and keeping good cap shields out of the hand of "noobs"?

I have a supreme darkest hour and i never complained about that shield,I really wanted it in game with the high capacity.Just because it was suposed to be unique and worth getting it.And a bit more of capacity is not big deal,some people dont realize that some extra thousands of capacity are gone with a single shot.That shield was going to be useful and useless at the same time,the recharge time sucks,i´d not have used it being a noob
07-31-2016, 08:31 PM
Chump Norris

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Originally Posted by Kuroro

I have a supreme darkest hour and i never complained about that shield,I really wanted it in game with the high capacity.Just because it was suposed to be unique and worth getting it.And a bit more of capacity is not big deal,some people dont realize that some extra thousands of capacity are gone with a single shot.That shield was going to be useful and useless at the same time,the recharge time sucks,i´d not have used it being a noob

Thank you Kuroro, I knew there had to be some level headed DH owners out there that wouldn't mind "noobs" having a crack at a high cap shield. tbh I cant see me using anything over my Superiority Rhino Regen but just knowing people whined enough and got ION nerfed all so they could keep high cap shields out of the hands of others bugs me.
07-31-2016, 08:54 PM
Kuroro

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Originally Posted by Chump Norris

Thank you Kuroro, I knew there had to be some level headed DH owners out there that wouldn't mind "noobs" having a crack at a high cap shield. tbh I cant see me using anything over my Superiority Rhino Regen but just knowing people whined enough and got ION nerfed all so they could keep high cap shields out of the hands of others bugs me.

And you know what? Most of the time I dont even use the darkest hour,because 1k more of capacity than a superiority shield does not makes any difference and the synergy of a darkest hour requires a shield break to activate, I dont want that,I want to avoid shots and kill fast without even be touched,that is why a superiority shield is way better with the right secundary weapon (in my opinion).That ion insulator would not have been near of that,the effect is less dmg while the shield recharges,its like assuming someone will almost kill you,and it has 5% recharge,I did not tested it but it should be around of 20 seconds to fill,I could not wait that much.

With this being said,complainers do not have a single idea of the game they play,and the shield has been nerfed for no fair reason
08-01-2016, 02:30 AM
Mr Devlin

we can only hope destro is listening to this thread.... nerfing that shield was a travesty, and for very little reason.
08-06-2016, 02:53 PM
xXxDSMer

Ion insulator, as it is now, is absolute garbage.
Surely devs, you sat down and thought out the shield before it went on pts in the first place. Itentionally gave it a higher capacity. Why else on earth would you have it set at a 5% recharge rate???

And this:

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Originally Posted by Chump Norris

Did people actually test or was this a case of non PTS testers giving input on something they hadn't tried?

Thanks for actually responding btw Destro.

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added since we want to keep shields fair and balanced or w/e the excuse is..
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screw it and sorry DH users..

http://i63.tinypic.com/28ow9k.jpg

so..

33784

and..

Firewall version.

[1]: On shield break, restore health and shields for 5s to surrounding allies. (Cooldown: 30s)
[2]: On shield break, repair 1 armor plate. (Cooldown: 30s)
[3]: On shield break, +20% outgoing healing for 10s (Cooldown: 30s)

or..

Wetwork version.

[1]: On shield break, grant 15% damage for 5s to surrounding allies. (Cooldown: 30s)
[2]: On shield break, gain 15% armor penetration for 5s. (Cooldown: 30s)
[3]: +10% damage when shield is down.

These EXL shields should be brought inline with other shields or whatever excuse was used to justify nerfing the ION..thanks.

Maybe bringing the ION down to the cap of the DH would have been a more fair approach instead of just neutering the ION?

I've been saying ever since the whiners got the project piper shields "fixed" that if we can't have high cap shields - there should be NO high cap shields. Can't keep running around "fixing" things that weren't broke in the first place, and showing off shields like ion insulator with a higher than standard cap just to turn around and make 'em crap later.

NO increased cap shields for anyone, or everyone should have access to them. NOT this bs of shields along those lines only come from a ONE DAY event ONCE A YEAR.
08-06-2016, 03:17 PM
Bentu

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Originally Posted by xXxDSMer

Ion insulator, as it is now, is absolute garbage.
Surely devs, you sat down and thought out the shield before it went on pts in the first place. Itentionally gave it a higher capacity. Why else on earth would you have it set at a 5% recharge rate???

No it was the same wrong coding the Piper had so they re balanced it.
Darkest hours are next ah no they're not as they're working as intended.
08-06-2016, 03:42 PM
Skiller115

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Originally Posted by Bentu

No it was the same wrong coding the Piper had so they re balanced it.
Darkest hours are next ah no they're not as they're working as intended.

The shield system needs an overhaul just like weapons when they were uplifted! Right now shields aren't used because you like it it's only because all other options are complete trash. I agree that the Ion shouldn't have been nerfed because now it is just a weaker Ironclad/Rebel abomination combination!

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