Understanding the earnings system

Good morning Devs,

I am the leader of the largest Brazilian clan of the xbox platform and together with mr. AndyLogan, founder of the clan, we pay our compliments and admiration for this wonderful game on behalf of the Galaxy Rangers xBrazilx.

It is known that Karma is the reward system of Patron customer activities during the events if ever reaching 100%, the player is rewarded with a Jackpot and his Karma is zeroed, as well as when he receives a boxing jackpot Your Karma is also zeroed. We also know that Trion will not provide a counter in or out of the game for such a count and this is not what we seek.

Knowing this, I have some doubts:

What would be the actual percentage that 1 full Arkfall represents Karma?
Does the score on this arkfall influence this percentage? If yes, how many per 1000 points?

I hope you can give me this information to ease my understanding process.


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Entendendo sobre o sistema de ganhos

Bom dia Desenvolvedores,

Sou líder do maior clã brasileiro da plataforma xbox e juntamente com o sr. AndyLogan, fundador do clã, prestamos nossos elogios e admiração por este jogo maravilhoso em nome dos Galaxy Rangers xBrazilx.

Sabe-se que o Karma é o sistema de recompensa das atividades de clientes Patron durante os eventos se sempre que se atingindo 100%, o jogador é recompensado com um Jackpot e seu Karma é zerado, assim também como quando ele recebe uma jackpot de box seu Karma também é zerado. Também sabemos que a Trion não disponibilizará um contador dentro ou fora do jogo para tal contagem e não é isto que buscamos.

Sabendo disto, resta-me algumas dúvidas:

Qual seria a porcentagem real que 1 Arkfall completo representa ao Karma?
O score nesse arkfall influência nesta porcentagem? Se sim, de quantos porcentos a cada 1000 pontos de score?

Espero que possa me agraciar com estas informações para facilitar meu processo de entendimento.

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Originally Posted by Wagner DeathBlow

Good morning Devs,

I am the leader of the largest Brazilian clan of the xbox platform and together with mr. AndyLogan, founder of the clan, we pay our compliments and admiration for this wonderful game on behalf of the Galaxy Rangers xBrazilx.

It is known that Karma is the reward system of Patron customer activities during the events if ever reaching 100%, the player is rewarded with a Jackpot and his Karma is zeroed, as well as when he receives a boxing jackpot Your Karma is also zeroed. We also know that Trion will not provide a counter in or out of the game for such a count and this is not what we seek.

Knowing this, I have some doubts:

What would be the actual percentage that 1 full Arkfall represents Karma?
Does the score on this arkfall influence this percentage? If yes, how many per 1000 points?

I hope you can give me this information to ease my understanding process.


Translate:

Entendendo sobre o sistema de ganhos

Bom dia Desenvolvedores,

Sou líder do maior clã brasileiro da plataforma xbox e juntamente com o sr. AndyLogan, fundador do clã, prestamos nossos elogios e admiração por este jogo maravilhoso em nome dos Galaxy Rangers xBrazilx.

Sabe-se que o Karma é o sistema de recompensa das atividades de clientes Patron durante os eventos se sempre que se atingindo 100%, o jogador é recompensado com um Jackpot e seu Karma é zerado, assim também como quando ele recebe uma jackpot de box seu Karma também é zerado. Também sabemos que a Trion não disponibilizará um contador dentro ou fora do jogo para tal contagem e não é isto que buscamos.

Sabendo disto, resta-me algumas dúvidas:

Qual seria a porcentagem real que 1 Arkfall completo representa ao Karma?
O score nesse arkfall influência nesta porcentagem? Se sim, de quantos porcentos a cada 1000 pontos de score?

Espero que possa me agraciar com estas informações para facilitar meu processo de entendimento.

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The Karma gained per Arkfall is unknown since the devs don't want to disclose that information.
Points don't seem to influence the karma gained per Arkfall, only participation.

Well, in fact we know this...higher points will not makes able to gain a jackpot.
Looking from another prism why Trion does not show us a kind of " Karma metter" ?

i think karma should also be influenced by how many people you revive in game as well as the current system. That might encourage those who just ignore fellow players who need reviving because that's a real problem in Defiance. When a new event starts a lot of people just ignore those who need help.

i think there Karma should be docked. As what comes around goes around

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Originally Posted by mitch00uk

i think karma should also be influenced by how many people you revive in game as well as the current system. That might encourage those who just ignore fellow players who need reviving because that's a real problem in Defiance. When a new event starts a lot of people just ignore those who need help.

i think there Karma should be docked. As what comes around goes around

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I like that, getting karma for revives during the event majors...if only we could see downed players so we could revive them...your not being ignored.

Karma is 1 point per major event arkfall completed in which you remain at the final and see the rewards screen along with Purchase Completed. Score has nothing to do with it. Also if you hit seperate major events on the same shard/phase but don't see the rewards screen for them then you don't get the Karma Credit. You have to see "Purchase Completed" In order to get the Karma point.

See http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...-anyone-tested and http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...kpotless-event for more information.

Cheerio hope this helps.

Menetekel PC/NA

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Originally Posted by Menetekel

Karma is 1 point per major event arkfall completed

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No, false...get a dev to confirm what you say, otherwise stop spreading misinformation

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Originally Posted by Calm like a Bomb

No, false...get a dev to confirm what you say, otherwise stop spreading misinformation

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Fine I'll do the leg work for you...

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Originally Posted by Destromathe

Karma is not, and never has been, based on score. As long as you participate at a major arkfall, you will get karma. It increments a set amount per major arkfall completed. Separately, it also increases a set amount per lock box opened, however the two are separate karma systems, and one does not influence the other.

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Originally Posted by Menetekel

Fine I'll do the leg work for you...

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You proved nothing except what we already know, karma increases in increments, no where did he say it increases by a full percentage point...so once again, get dev confirmation if your so positive of your 1 point per major so you won't continue to spread misinformation..and if your correct I'll apologize and you can say "I told you so".
...otherwise I'll have to take advice from your sig- Never argue with an idiot... they bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience!" - Samuel Clemens
LOL, couldn't help it.

Well doing 1 mjr event arkfall is one less than the number you have to do.

People need to understand the the dev's are NEVER going to implement a karma meter, or explain how karma is calculated. People can make all the forum poasts they want and its a waste of time. I, for one, DO NOT WANT the math behind karma revealed or any sort of karma meter, indicator, or otherwise. If this information were to be put into the game, or released on these forums, the exploiting would start, and yet another cool game feature would have to be taken away from us.

You guys that want this information on karma have to get it in your heads, that it would be the death of karma. Karma works as intended. Every patron player gets a drop between 70 and 120 finals. Everytime some posts otherwise, Destro has had to make a post basically saying that person didn't do the number of finals they said they did, and to keep playing as their karma was still building. (He's already done this numerous times)

Just play the game folks. Harp on the real ingame problems and bugs. Don't harp on things that are working fine.

#patronczserversandsalariesarentfree

I know just about everything I need to or want to know about karma. I just don't like seeing misleading information that you get 1 karma point per major being posted.
...Bentu, doing 100 majors is 100 less than the number you have to do, could be relevant as well...so what we're you trying to say?

+1 Gaige 12. Every time i read a post questioning karma i cringe thinking that the devs will get fed up with all the doom and gloom theories and karma doubts and just scrap it when as you said, it is working just fine. Karma is one of the coolest things they have added in a long time imo. After grinding a few events and getting no jps at all, i would much rather get a guaranteed one even if its less desired. Someone in the clan is always stoked to get a free jp that i got multiples of.

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Originally Posted by Calm like a Bomb

I know just about everything I need to or want to know about karma. I just don't like seeing misleading information that you get 1 karma point per major being posted.
...Bentu, doing 100 majors is 100 less than the number you have to do, could be relevant as well...so what we're you trying to say?

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Everyone you do is one less.

Nothing more an nothing less.

We just don't know.

Something I would like to point out and I'm not pointing any fingers but it's been quite a while since we've had something released without something being broken and there are too many examples to list.

The only reason I'd want a karma meter of some kind is to know that it's working or is on.

It could be a bar similar to our xp bar or just a little light gizmo thing that tells us it's on.

I can't see any problem with the latter of the two but for the acknowledgement of karma to be hidden for whatever reason just doesn't sit well with me.

Edit. Just saying. We do have notifications of other bonuses etc working.

I know that each one has his desires, some like the way he is, others want an indication that Karma is active and others want to know about mathematics back, i respect everyone and their desires so i hope they respect mine.

Sobre somar 1 ponto arkfall, isso seria um dado interessante pra que gosta de dados mas só quem pode afirmar isso são os devs.

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Originally Posted by Bentu

The only reason I'd want a karma meter of some kind is to know that it's working or is on.
It could be a bar similar to our xp bar or just a little light gizmo thing that tells us it's on.
Edit. Just saying. We do have notifications of other bonuses etc working.

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As the Bentu spoke, there is something missing beyond the word of the devs, it's like going to a church just because the priest said you have to go.


And yes, I am one who likes concrete information and data, not a person who is content with promises.

Let's continue the discussions