For those who feel there is too little progression...

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Originally Posted by cfStatic

Too many people want an 'in your face' progression ala more damage on weapons, whereas EGO is mostly behind the scenes, barring Overcharge, adding numbers here or there in specific circumstances.

I can't imagine how laughably easy PvE would become if weapons actually scaled with your EGO level. It would become laughably easy(ier) than it already is.

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Oh, think about it the other way too. Currently, enemies are pretty well scaled to you, just by virtue of the way weapon progression works. So with a high EGO weapon, you would either lolburst down all the lowbie npcs, or they somehow have to code the enemies to scale based on who is shooting at them. Heck even adding new content to the game would be a nightmare with WOW style progression.

Either way you slice it, the current system turns out to be the more elegant and appropriate solution.

Everyone is used to the typical MMO that rewards you with infinite noob crushing power for logging insane amounts of ingame time. This game pushes gamers to become better players (modify weapons, shields, mods, perk to fit play style).

I mean, have you seen how many threads there are complaining about the final boss fight? People are completely against developing actual gaming skill

Having GODLY gear takes away from developing a tailored technique. When I started, I had the overcharge perk and an assault rifle, as I continued playing (EGO 550 now) I eventually changed my perk to Decoy, and am now using an SMG with a BMG secondary (running out of ammo in an Arkfall sucks).

This game is not meant to reward long play times with gear, but rather, it rewards long play times with actually gamer skill. To me, it feels much more rewarding than crushing PvE with amazing equips that make the game too easy.

Hey folks,

Just dropping in a reminder to ensure your posts are on topic, civil and constructive.

Thanks!

I think the progression is actually one of the more interesting aspects of Defiance. I've played upwards of a dozen mmo's and this is the first time I can recall that a low-level character and a mid-level character can quest together and both have a challenge. I'm at EGO lvl 135 or so and my friend is about a hundred EGO levels higher than me and we've been cruising around doing different radiant missions and he's gone down just as much as I do. Outside of City of Heroes sidekick/mentor system I've never seen anything similiar. I just wish there was some way to share missions with friends, even if they've already completed it themselves.

I think you guys are missing the complaint. Its not that i want gear to make me instant win in pvp....its that i want a reason to even do it in the first place. I pvp all day for what? Theres no ranking system or items ONLY YOU can get cause you are better than most people. There is no PVE that requires my clan, there is no PVP that requires my clan. Their is no real urgent feeling to keep upping my ego rating. I can get more options through modding....run faster and have more perks, but why? What does all that make me eligible to accomplish. Just keep playing the same content since ego rating 1, but i can do it easier. THATS the problem from my standpoint.

The extra perks and more mods and mod slot does give some minor advantage.

But the biggest progression is my skill. This game is skill base after all. The more you get to know the game, the easier it gets.

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Originally Posted by Hawty

I think you guys are missing the complaint. Its not that i want gear to make me instant win in pvp....its that i want a reason to even do it in the first place. I pvp all day for what? Theres no ranking system or items ONLY YOU can get cause you are better than most people. There is no PVE that requires my clan, there is no PVP that requires my clan. Their is no real urgent feeling to keep upping my ego rating. I can get more options through modding....run faster and have more perks, but why? What does all that make me eligible to accomplish. Just keep playing the same content since ego rating 1, but i can do it easier. THATS the problem from my standpoint.

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I completely understand, this was not the game you were expecting.
Honestly, truly, no sarcasm here. I am genuinely sorry that you spent money on a game that did no turn out to be what you wanted

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Originally Posted by Hawty

I think you guys are missing the complaint. Its not that i want gear to make me instant win in pvp....its that i want a reason to even do it in the first place. I pvp all day for what?

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Because you find it fun?...

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Originally Posted by Xaearth

Because you find it fun?...

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+1 ........

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Originally Posted by Hawty

I think you guys are missing the complaint. Its not that i want gear to make me instant win in pvp....its that i want a reason to even do it in the first place. I pvp all day for what? Theres no ranking system or items ONLY YOU can get cause you are better than most people. There is no PVE that requires my clan, there is no PVP that requires my clan. Their is no real urgent feeling to keep upping my ego rating. I can get more options through modding....run faster and have more perks, but why? What does all that make me eligible to accomplish. Just keep playing the same content since ego rating 1, but i can do it easier. THATS the problem from my standpoint.

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So what's your solution then? What would give you a reason to do it in the first place? I really would like to hear this, what you would replace the system you don't like with.

Yep, there is no pve that requires a clan. Mostly because of how exclusionary such things behave in progressive content in pretty much every other game out there. This game allows you to be included in the large scale pve content, and make a difference, without having to manage to get an application in to whichever guilds have gotten to that part. So yeah, a clan is a social aspect of this game.

No ranking system. I am with on you that, but I suspect it's coming. As for pvp exclusive items, the only thing I would find appropriate are outfits or headgear. pvp "gear" just makes the rich get richer, and encourages cheating and win trading.