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LMG has 500 ammo, 85 clip and does 400 a shot, roughly.
They have good range and no recoil. The only downside is Very long/Long range and if ya hold down the trigger too long the fire cone widens.
No other weapon seems to come close in raw damage over time.
I know other ones have utility and are better in situations, aka shotguns or sniper rifles.
What am I missing here?
SAW has horrible recoil and bloom, Thunder simply can't hit anything until half of magazine is depleted, disruptor has ridiculous 1k DPS, *another* LMG (don't remember name) can't hit human-sized targets beyond 50m.
Still SAW is most effective weapon in PvE. Probably it will be nerfed in upcoming patches and will be as useless as disruptor and Thunder.
The SAW is amazing in some situations and terrible in others - depending on how you mod it. I think it shines brightest when it comes to burning down something like a Forge or Bulwark - its very good at shredding large, high hitpoint targets. Its effective against normal troops but there are more efficient weapons for taking them down quickly.
Not very effective against weakpoints, and most of the tougher enemies need to be hit in weakpoints. Blacklungs and Hulkers are some of the rare exceptions.
I personally use a TACC assault rifle w/ siphon and a pumpy shotty w/ fire (my alternate loadout replaces that shotty with another shotty w/ acid). TACC rifle does the same damage per round, 45 round magazine with extended mags with much superior accuracy and range. The gun basically gets zero damage dropoff with range.
The bloom is an issue, but if you use Overcharge, then recoil's no problem at all. Not to mention if you stop firing at all, the cone of fire instantly resets no matter what. So while you can't hold the trigger down like some SMGs, if you use controlled bursts, you can be extremely effective with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pasha
I've used the LMG SAW with lightning element, from the beginning to the end of what's available right now. The only reason I would use any other weapon is simply to try them out, however, I would have to say the SAW is the best weapon as of now for pretty much anything you want to do (except PvP which is a shotgun spam fest).
I've tried using different weapons, but in the end, nothing could compare to what I actually found at the very beginning, which is actually kind of sad, because I was Ego Rating like 30 maybe, and used the SAW until I finished what Defiance has to offer right now (through story missions, not sidequests), which brought me to Ego Raiting 280-ish.
Right now though, the LMG actually seems like it's where it should be in my opinion, it strong, not a super fast rate of fire, and you're not essentially able to snipe out enemies using it. If anything, other weapon types should actually be enhanced, and built around this weapon, for example, an Assault Rifle could see a little more damage, with more accuracy then it has as of now, shotguns could have their damage increases slightly PvE, and definitely should see a nerf PvP wise. I'm tired of always having to use a shotgun myself in PvP, just in order to play, and so on.
The LMG seems to actually be what I would actually expect out of this weapon type. Other weapons feel a bit sloppy, and could definitely use some improvement.
The one thing I will say though, is an LMG is incredibly poor up close firing from the hip. If an enemy is standing directly in front of me, and my LMG is missing almost every shot firing from the hip, something is wrong with that picture. The hip fire spread should be lowered, at least within a certain couple feet of the actually player. There's no way any gun could miss that close firing from the hip.
in terms of DPS, the SAW is lightyears away from practically every other weapon in the game, BY FAR. and with this, I mean easily ten times better than the rest or more...
I hope the devs take a hard look at this. currently there is no reason to use any weapon other than a SAW in PvE...hell, with a bit of aim you can even use them for sniping...
Pistol > Everything. Seriously, headshots with my pistol drop elites in under 4 seconds in all co-ops, I beat most people by 50% or more when I place first in co-op, 495% critical dmg pistol with 12 mag clip and a fire rate as fast as you can click, always headshoting.. its insane
For weak spots, critical dmg is insane, so insane, getting 12x8000 crits in a row on a forge in scrap yard or w/e.. hectic
overcharge on CD + SAW = +2 million damage during arkfallQuote:
Originally Posted by Greywolf
I even beat guys on cars
Yeah I beat 2mill easy, not even using overcharge
Edit: I prefer decoy but that's just my style, as long as you are doing the right thing, and aiming for weak spots not wasting time killing skitterings or some rubbish.. i fully support you and anyone who knows what they are doing, sick of scrubs not doing their job