Not really...especialy since u mentioned capitalism,but ok...Quote:
Originally Posted by konstantinov
Looks like is just another meowse thingy about something tho! :rolleyes:
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Not really...especialy since u mentioned capitalism,but ok...Quote:
Originally Posted by konstantinov
Looks like is just another meowse thingy about something tho! :rolleyes:
You keep clamoring to the hope that it'll be $20 while realistically we all know it'll be $100. If you honestly think that they won't charge $100 for a transfer of your toon/inventory when they charge $20 for a t5 mod or $100 for a sentinel rig pack then more power to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neoshell
This is not about power to me or w/e..but looking from the consumer perspective without puting the seller perspective apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by konstantinov
Those examples you gave are not the best 1s to take in consideration,bad management and wrong decisions doesnt make then right ,for some reason this forum is full of rant threads about bit store prices and even comparing then to other trion games bit store prices. Still trion made great profit and still does with this game and this prices they charge ,most cos the community like the game and try to support it the way each can,but you know quiet well that most of the sales they made/make is when they do this kind of discounts,not to mention that if they charge 5€/per mod and 10/15€ per perfected weapon,they would sell even more ,making more money in the process.
Same example can be made to the transfer subject especialy since you trow the "capitalist market", but then u pointed those examples about their lack of perspective with sales values.
Besides reading your comments looks like is what u want them to charge for w/e reason..and not the best company move or charge towards their player base and the char transference subject.
Your responses are extremely difficult to decipher at times, is this google translate failing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Neoshell
The population spiked when Defiance went f2p, we already know this; you should too, it's when you started playing. It'd be $20 if the ENTIRE player base used the service but I can tell you now that there won't be as many transfers taking place as you may think. Just because things are cheaper doesn't GUARANTEE more sales. Have you thought that maybe people don't have money and that's why they're playing a f2p game on ps3/x360?
You think I put $100 because that's what I want to pay? I put $100 because I know how this works and I know how Trion is and I've been through it all. Not to mention the loss of revenue from PC players not having to transfer. So please explain to me how you expect $20 and for guesstimates sake 2000 transfers at a cost of $40k is going to cover the cost of not only hiring people to do this but also put it in a format that ps4 and next gen consoles will accept.
Mmos.com reported that Defiance cost $80 million to develop and publish. Here's the link so you can read up and gain a little knowledge Defiance cost . So if you look at those numbers and think about it, 40,000 is .05% of 80,000,000. So again please tell me how a $20 transfer fee is going to cover the cost of all of this.
PS- I know it won't cost 80m to move Defiance to next-gen but it'll be a hell of a lot more than $40k.
I dont use google translate and if it was that bad to understand me,you wouldnt keep answer me..Quote:
Originally Posted by konstantinov
but you may wana talk in my language and use google translate!?
Anyway...ofc i know the population spiked after the game went f2p,that's why you're still here and having this discussion and posting in this thread,or,the money that you spent when you bought the game,would be lost 4 ¹/² years ago.
The game being f2p and this transfer fee we've been talking about has no relation between then! The players that never spent a € or $ in the game,probably wont do it to move their stuff cos they dont have that much to transfer and prolly dont wana to do it,not to mention this players dont stay around that much too. All the player base that wasted money,have a great collection etc is going to pay to transfer their toons and this is a large base between the 2 console platforms,so,not sure why that wouldnt happen tbh..
Another funny thing is how something cheaper wont sell more than an expensive one,but w/e... Everytime trion does this kind of discounts like now and last month as an exanple in their bit store,the volume of sales increase,so must be just a coincidence!
If you've been through it all,myself and a lot of other players here went through it all too..the diference is that you start a year/year and a half earlier.
Anyway, lets take your guesstimate number and use it. Taking in consideration those 2k players,what's the best scenario for trion?
Get 20$ from each player and do 40k at launch of the defiance on ps4/X1,plus all the potential revenue this players can spend during 1st month or not do it at all and use this current f2p model and prolly do that in the 1st month or 2 after the launch? If they charge 100$ they would need that at least 400 players from that 2k sample pay for the transference and i'm not sure if that will happen,in this scenario i'm with you about your transference point of view. Like u said ,we would be ok and pteffer pay 20 instead of 100.
About the investment/profit that they can expect with this next gen migration and grabing your guesstimate numbers,those 40k$ wouldnt pay the investiment,but even if they charge a 300$ fee wouldnt..
You know you cant look at this game business model that way,you need to look at it with prespective of medium/long business model,like they been doing til now.
So..those 80M that cost to produce Defiance,they already got it. It's a game with almost 5 years in 3 different plataforms and you know quiet well that this game help funding Trove and Altras!If that didnt happened the servers would be shuted down long ago like prolly almost happened 4 years ago.
There's no way Trion has recouped 80 million dollars from Defiance LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neoshell
Hilarious.
Why are you still here,the servers keep running and they're working in a next gen console version then!? LulzQuote:
Originally Posted by konstantinov
Hilarious indeed
Is there relevance in you claiming defiance has grossed 80 million dollars and me playing the game? Or is this a very poor attempt to chastise me for playing the same game you play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neoshell
Was just a question! You're free to answer it or not..but do you really think that if this game wouldnt make some profit we would be here having this discussion!?:pQuote:
Originally Posted by konstantinov
I've not read that article yet cos i'm short on time right now,but the 80M cost is kinda bugging me. Is really hard for me to bite that production cost for a game like defiance tbh. Maybe with the syfy TV 1st season !? Can you confirm me or not that?
Anyway,i've played and i play a lot of different games and i never punish anyone for playing the same game . Lol
Already told you that we can share some thoughts or opinions through pm,just in case we end with notifications like used to happen a while bk.
I know that there is a lot to talk about here, and the conversation about whether or not characters will transfer is a hot topic. However, keep in mind that the idea here is to give feedback about what you want to see for the future of Defiance!
Give us your ideas, your constructive criticism, and your dreams of what Defiance could be. Please keep the conversations here constructive. Thanks.