Not really...especialy since u mentioned capitalism,but ok...
Looks like is just another meowse thingy about something tho! :rolleyes:
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You keep clamoring to the hope that it'll be $20 while realistically we all know it'll be $100. If you honestly think that they won't charge $100 for a transfer of your toon/inventory when they charge $20 for a t5 mod or $100 for a sentinel rig pack then more power to you.
This is not about power to me or w/e..but looking from the consumer perspective without puting the seller perspective apart.
Those examples you gave are not the best 1s to take in consideration,bad management and wrong decisions doesnt make then right ,for some reason this forum is full of rant threads about bit store prices and even comparing then to other trion games bit store prices. Still trion made great profit and still does with this game and this prices they charge ,most cos the community like the game and try to support it the way each can,but you know quiet well that most of the sales they made/make is when they do this kind of discounts,not to mention that if they charge 5€/per mod and 10/15€ per perfected weapon,they would sell even more ,making more money in the process.
Same example can be made to the transfer subject especialy since you trow the "capitalist market", but then u pointed those examples about their lack of perspective with sales values.
Besides reading your comments looks like is what u want them to charge for w/e reason..and not the best company move or charge towards their player base and the char transference subject.
Your responses are extremely difficult to decipher at times, is this google translate failing?
The population spiked when Defiance went f2p, we already know this; you should too, it's when you started playing. It'd be $20 if the ENTIRE player base used the service but I can tell you now that there won't be as many transfers taking place as you may think. Just because things are cheaper doesn't GUARANTEE more sales. Have you thought that maybe people don't have money and that's why they're playing a f2p game on ps3/x360?
You think I put $100 because that's what I want to pay? I put $100 because I know how this works and I know how Trion is and I've been through it all. Not to mention the loss of revenue from PC players not having to transfer. So please explain to me how you expect $20 and for guesstimates sake 2000 transfers at a cost of $40k is going to cover the cost of not only hiring people to do this but also put it in a format that ps4 and next gen consoles will accept.
Mmos.com reported that Defiance cost $80 million to develop and publish. Here's the link so you can read up and gain a little knowledge Defiance cost . So if you look at those numbers and think about it, 40,000 is .05% of 80,000,000. So again please tell me how a $20 transfer fee is going to cover the cost of all of this.
PS- I know it won't cost 80m to move Defiance to next-gen but it'll be a hell of a lot more than $40k.
I dont use google translate and if it was that bad to understand me,you wouldnt keep answer me..
but you may wana talk in my language and use google translate!?
Anyway...ofc i know the population spiked after the game went f2p,that's why you're still here and having this discussion and posting in this thread,or,the money that you spent when you bought the game,would be lost 4 ¹/² years ago.
The game being f2p and this transfer fee we've been talking about has no relation between then! The players that never spent a € or $ in the game,probably wont do it to move their stuff cos they dont have that much to transfer and prolly dont wana to do it,not to mention this players dont stay around that much too. All the player base that wasted money,have a great collection etc is going to pay to transfer their toons and this is a large base between the 2 console platforms,so,not sure why that wouldnt happen tbh..
Another funny thing is how something cheaper wont sell more than an expensive one,but w/e... Everytime trion does this kind of discounts like now and last month as an exanple in their bit store,the volume of sales increase,so must be just a coincidence!
If you've been through it all,myself and a lot of other players here went through it all too..the diference is that you start a year/year and a half earlier.
Anyway, lets take your guesstimate number and use it. Taking in consideration those 2k players,what's the best scenario for trion?
Get 20$ from each player and do 40k at launch of the defiance on ps4/X1,plus all the potential revenue this players can spend during 1st month or not do it at all and use this current f2p model and prolly do that in the 1st month or 2 after the launch? If they charge 100$ they would need that at least 400 players from that 2k sample pay for the transference and i'm not sure if that will happen,in this scenario i'm with you about your transference point of view. Like u said ,we would be ok and pteffer pay 20 instead of 100.
About the investment/profit that they can expect with this next gen migration and grabing your guesstimate numbers,those 40k$ wouldnt pay the investiment,but even if they charge a 300$ fee wouldnt..
You know you cant look at this game business model that way,you need to look at it with prespective of medium/long business model,like they been doing til now.
So..those 80M that cost to produce Defiance,they already got it. It's a game with almost 5 years in 3 different plataforms and you know quiet well that this game help funding Trove and Altras!If that didnt happened the servers would be shuted down long ago like prolly almost happened 4 years ago.
Was just a question! You're free to answer it or not..but do you really think that if this game wouldnt make some profit we would be here having this discussion!?:p
I've not read that article yet cos i'm short on time right now,but the 80M cost is kinda bugging me. Is really hard for me to bite that production cost for a game like defiance tbh. Maybe with the syfy TV 1st season !? Can you confirm me or not that?
Anyway,i've played and i play a lot of different games and i never punish anyone for playing the same game . Lol
Already told you that we can share some thoughts or opinions through pm,just in case we end with notifications like used to happen a while bk.
I know that there is a lot to talk about here, and the conversation about whether or not characters will transfer is a hot topic. However, keep in mind that the idea here is to give feedback about what you want to see for the future of Defiance!
Give us your ideas, your constructive criticism, and your dreams of what Defiance could be. Please keep the conversations here constructive. Thanks.
Appreciate you catching up on concerns!
Most of what I'd like to see I posted in Altra's Suggestion Box
Not as important, but still cool in my mind:Storm/Ark Weaponry
By supporting current gen consoles I guess you will support the stronger versions of them as well (PS4 Pro for example). In this case the game should support 4k resolution (and that should be released on PC too!). This requires a HUD overhaul, I have 4k screen connected to my PC, and the game's current 4k support is very poor, the HUD can't handle it most of the time, its small, or limited to portions of the available screen area, leaving the remaining areas unused.
Another thing that should be on PS4 Pro: I don't know how well the game runs/will run, but *if* the game can't run in 4k 60 fps, then setting should be available to pick 4k/30fps or 1080p/60fps mode. Or maybe 4k/60fps, with somewhat lowered graphical settings, so everybody could pick the option they like the most.
PS4 also has the Share button, which takes screenshots/records video, I think an option to turn off the HUD would be nice for the folks with artistic urges (and this would be neat on PC too!).
The DualShock 4 also has a built-in speaker, maybe you could utilize it by moving all EGO unit speech on that speaker, that would be a nice addition to the gameplay.
Defiance " in development " sounds familiar.
The devs have said time and again that they want the game to be the same across all the systems so it will either stay the same with future expansion to come or like you said a rewrite will be required and PC will have to start over again to.
I tend to think it will be the former as it's the cheaper route for them to take and we've actually seen how they do things with reskins and reused content so it's safe to say that's what they will do.
My issue is on day one of playing it on xbx1 will I start at the wall with nothing and have to purchase everything I have now or will there be a character account transfer where everything I've bought will be available.
You then come to the question of how much should that actually cost because we've all bought different amounts of gear and some people actually have virtually everything in the game and some may of only bought a few inventory slots.
To be honest I don't really care but what I do care about is my main toon on 4 servers that I've put a lot of time into building and having great fun role playing with.
To me that's the main point the time investment in those characters.
Trouble is that also includes the contents those characters have accumulated which has the game experience and memories you've played in with them.
Edit. Another thing I just thought of is will clans transfer over to. If so what happens if the founder decides not to play on the new game.
My suggestions:
Reduce the use of RNG and bit box gambling. The news is full of articles talking about the ethics of online games and the need for a legislative solution. Trion has an opportunity to get in front of this and establish better mechanisms for generating revenue without resorting to gambling and enraged players.
I understand that the Exchange can't return, but the lack of a convenient trading system is hurting Defiance and will negatively effect any efforts to grow or expand the game.
New content: The game needs an expansion that includes more compelling end game content to keep long time players engaged and in the game.
Thank you for listening.
how about cutting all loading times in half
Please do some optimization. I get over 120 frames in games with much more GPU intensive effects yet Defiance never reaches 60 fps even with minimum settings.
I want to transfer my toon and gear. Been asking this question since year one. A game free of the lag and latency on next gen, with my toon and gear would be a huge good start in my book Destro.
My problem with transfers is, all the gear will may not be useful. Its like PvP vs Pve. Electric is cool in pvp but doesn't do squat in pve. So if we pay for our gear to transfer how can we be certain it will be viable?? And will it be character locked?? Those two scenerois have me more concerned than the price. If it's character locked and not viable for more than 30 days why bother? Give me the new stuff....shame to lose it all but....
I’m glad to see this non-announcement finally getting some traction.
For me I’d like to see no disconnects, no hardlocks and as little lag as possible.
Lots of games have done character transfers from last to next gen. Not sure if the account data was stored in a file save on the console or on the games servers like Defiance is. But, I hope this will also be something that happens. It would be like porting a toon from console to the test server only in this case to next gen.
I haven’t really played in a long while. If it comes to PS4 AND my accounts transfers I could see myself playing again.
I want a game scenario where it sucks everyone into pvp if they want to go or not ,thorn liro but fight other players ,multi scenario pvp where it goes from capture and hold to team death match to asassination ,to free for all . How about nuclear bombs dropping randomly ,hulkers roaming aimlessly but if you cant transfer your toon to the ps4 just forget my ideas i wont care cause i wont be playing ,oh yeah and we need more cow bell .
My suggestion is you fix this version of defiance and fix it fast or none of us will be around to support the new version. Current players are very upset with the state of the game on all 3 platforms. None of us will have faith in the new version if we are ignored and continue to be treated in this manner. Why should we stay?
Yeah the game is really lagging ,a whole minute goes by where you have to stop and wait to start playing again ,you cant switch guns , teleport ,inspect players ,text in chat ,nothing. This pause in play happens every 15 minutes but never affected the trade i was in for hours ,hmm,,,,,anyways the games in bad shape.
Never mind, my criticism isn't worth an infraction.
the main thing I ask is a Xbox 360 transfer to PC!!! yes yes yes
I don't understand what's going to change? What i mean to say is PC still has lags, bugs and other issues that haven't been fixed for...years! What is the incentive to buy the game for ps4/Xbox1? Don't get me wrong this was the best game i'd played and has so much potential in the market even with the current generation consoles. Although, now it isn't in a good shape, i believe we all agree on this point right? maybe not. I used to play pvp a lot but since that update(I'm sure you know what that is) i haven't been into it really. pvp updates(to worse) haven't stopped, have they? The game is lacking a lot of stuff and re-introduction of other stuff as well.
On ps3, you have a 50/50 chance of being dc'd or a hard freeze when you bring up your map, go to your loadouts, scroll to the matrix screen or look at your rigs chips. Silicon Valley doesn't work for probably a 1/5th of the player base and I've been seeing more and more of the repoman making a comeback.
Toon trasfer will very much be the pressing issue and most vital aspect as a over 3 year paying player as i said in a past thread once of master protecter's, some are so invested in game we deserve trions investment in us and our investments of toons and future and longevity into our toons is a must also funny in thread how i mentioned how rng has not become a legal issue yet
was surprising and look where world is now with loot crates... your players are smart and in tune alot more then one would think keep listening to us and allow the power of the players "voice" to be heard and this all could be a good future for us all. truely the balls in your court trion make us proud !!!
Thank you for this! It is good to know, thath they are thinking about this issue, and at least trying to make it happen. IF it will be possible, TRIO would be able to keep big amount of loyal players playing. Defiance on Xbox One, and us players being able to transfer our stuff (or at least some of it), would be good enoug reason for me to buy Xbox One and keeping playing all the future years also.
This game has ALOT potential for something great and legendary. It already is a great game.. Hell, even has loyal players who have played 4-5 years. If you Devs see this, i want to point out to you, that you have a full game here, and very loyal players, who play many hours every single day. It would be worth it for you Devs to make it possible for players to transfer their stuff to new consoles. There would be SOOOOOOO MANY players who would do that. And those players already know the game in n out too, which means that you TRION would be getting all that sweet money from players buying their Patron Passes and Bit-Boxes.. So yeah your effort to make the transfer possible, would be worth it financially too.. Think about for example 500-1500 players all transferring to new consoles... If that transfer needs to have a fee, for example 12$.. It would be 12x1500=18,000$ just from the transfers. And those players willl of course all be hardcore Defiance players buying Patrons and stuff every month... So yeah think about the transfer very seriously Devs. For making it happens, will for sure be worth it.