Defiance PvP?

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Originally Posted by Chuck Zitto

Unfortunatly because of people such as yourself. There not giving us any kind of open world pvp that you don't have to keep opting into. While I understand your concerns I am still a little upset there is not any kind of option for those of us that do want it. A open pvp area, clan wars or faction wars is really make it or break it for my clan of 60 plus mmo pvpers. So right now its looking like a no go for them to come play with me. Guess it looks like were waiting for arch age.

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Wow, blame the victim much? It's his fault he doesn't like getting ganked by some loser that can't handle someone their own level? I love PvP myself, so much so that I have a hard time playing an MMO without it but as I've gotten older, I have no tolerance for gankers and thus tend to avoid open world PvP servers because of it so are you gonna blame me too? Newsflash, the people to blame are the losers going around ganking people that have zero chance of defeating them in a fight, not the people that are put off by being on the receiving end of their cowardice. Cause and effect my friend and the ganker is the cause.

edit: I will say that people that play on open world pvp servers and then whine about being ganked are the cause of their own grief.

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Originally Posted by Fiancee

This is progression/gear based PVP game. Of course its optional, you can flag on/off from open world PVP, and you dont need to queue to instanced PVP if thats what you want.

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http://www.defiance.com/en/game/over...t-is-defiance/ funny how they dont mention pvp once. i think your confusing "shooter" with pvp.

There's also the group thing. Where people run around in a pack of five or so people and just attack the lone newbie who would never, ever stand a chance whilst avoiding anyone who may actually put up a decent fight. I've literally always played on the standard PvE style servers where I can walk around unflagged and play how I want to play. I do love how some people are basically flaming me because I don't like jerks making a game unplayable. I play a game to have fun, not to have my virtual face ground into the dirt every time I log in. That's not fun to me.

Thank you everyone who gave them for your helpful, pleasant responses, though I guess it was inevitable that not everyone would be warm to my friendly, co-operative preference in shooters and MMOs. Heck, I even helped a flagged guy of the opposite faction who was losing against a load of NPCs, bowed and then went on my way.

Sorry if my noncompetitive, overly-friendly game-play style offends you, I'll make sure I keep my pleasant and polite behaviour away from you. Regardless, my question has been answered and I doubt the devs would change the entire game structure to cater for a few people. Thank you.

Sorry if i sounded rude but honestly im sick of it. The replys in this thread prove me right. The pve crowd only thinks of themselves and they cry the loudest so everybody listens to them. Our clan isn't playing anything right now. Cus there aren't any good pvp mmo's out there. They stopped making them after uo and shadowbane. 90% of all mmo's that come out now are the same cookie cutter thempark garbage and people just eat it up. Why on earth do people still find it fun after 10 plus years now to do the same dungeons raids same quests same battleground/shadow war over and over and over and over again. It gets so old so quick yet people can't get enough. Its always the same cry to I dont want to get ganked while im pveing. Yet everytime ive mentioned suggestions on what the pvp crowd would like to see I have always said they should be up to the player. If you want to go to the pvp area its your choice. If you want to initiate a clan war its your choice if you want to participate in a faction war again your choice. If you want to do the same quests or dungons u been doing for over 10 years now you should be able to do them in peace. Yet all people will read in this post is pvp ewwww no thanks.

shadow world is open world pvp

chuck... an area of open PvP where there are no missions and you can avoid if you dont want to go there.... that is basically an opt in instance without a loading screen. you say people can do the same instance over and over in peace.... maybe we DONT want to do the same instance. maybe where other MMOs have open world PvP mixed with PvE which hinders us, we want a game where we can do open world PvE. you know, in an ever changing environment... with lots of different people rather than the same ones we do instances with...

as i said, if you want a PvP shooter, play some Planetside 2 on the PC. you have thousands of players on one server across three continents fighting each other for control of the map across three factions. i played it friday night with my small outfit in a squad of 6.
to put it in perspective, a squad is 12 players, a platoon is 4 squads (48), and some of the larger outfits(guilds) on one faction tend to run multiple platoons. you want an open world PvP game where people cant complain, Planetside is for you. you also get aircraft and ground vehicles for a total combined arms fight on a larger scale than BF3.

just because you have 60 people who dont want a PvE game doesnt mean the vast majority dont.

and to say most MMORPGs cater to PvE and is unfair to the PvPers is like saying most shooters cater to PvP, and should stop.

the story line in defiance is that the world was ravaged by war, aliens vs humans, humans vs humans and aliens vs aliens. and now the world is going through a process of rebuilding. other than shadow war, how could you justify faction combat?

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Originally Posted by Duskguy

chuck... an area of open PvP where there are no missions and you can avoid if you dont want to go there.... that is basically an opt in instance without a loading screen. you say people can do the same instance over and over in peace.... maybe we DONT want to do the same instance. maybe where other MMOs have open world PvP mixed with PvE which hinders us, we want a game where we can do open world PvE. you know, in an ever changing environment... with lots of different people rather than the same ones we do instances with...

as i said, if you want a PvP shooter, play some Planetside 2 on the PC. you have thousands of players on one server across three continents fighting each other for control of the map across three factions. i played it friday night with my small outfit in a squad of 6.
to put it in perspective, a squad is 12 players, a platoon is 4 squads (48), and some of the larger outfits(guilds) on one faction tend to run multiple platoons. you want an open world PvP game where people cant complain, Planetside is for you. you also get aircraft and ground vehicles for a total combined arms fight on a larger scale than BF3.

just because you have 60 people who dont want a PvE game doesnt mean the vast majority dont.

and to say most MMORPGs cater to PvE and is unfair to the PvPers is like saying most shooters cater to PvP, and should stop.

the story line in defiance is that the world was ravaged by war, aliens vs humans, humans vs humans and aliens vs aliens. and now the world is going through a process of rebuilding. other than shadow war, how could you justify faction combat?

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I see his point, Pvp should be focused on just as much as pve, I feel they should add a "runescape wilderness" area for people that want open world Pvp.
On a side note, I didn't realize that video games NEEDED to make sense? In which case there isn't a single game out there that justifies every single thing they enter into the game, you may as well give up gaming if they have to make logical sense for you to play them.

Except that this game was built with a focus on PvE... thats what Trion designed it to be. It is nice that it has PvP elements in it as well, but that's more of a bonus than the main attraction.

There are pvp focused games out there (Planetside 2) and thats not what this game is about. Also it's not really a surprise that people complain about being ganked as its common in some games and makes it impossible to even play the game.

So if more people are outcrying for PvE that is because its a PvE focus game that we are talking about. If I was on the Planetside forum and someone said I think planetside should have a PvE server I would argue that point as well.

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Originally Posted by Chuck Zitto

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seriously? if you want to make a case for it then why sound so rude most people will just disregarde what you said? your right most people will read and thing "no thanks". but thats down to attitude.

but i digress, so you cant understand why people like to live in a "theme park", and it not have a section or zone that is based for pvp? not a single soul would not want a zone based for this. as your right its down to choice. that choice wouldnt hinder the way we wish to play. but its a resource issue. trion can not cover all angles. im sure they could, you would have it. but Trion have made their choice in putting resources into other parts of this game.

people dont like doing the same dungeon/quests for over 10 years. thats why we scream for new content, new areas, new dungeons because we dont like doing the same thing over and over again. if we get a boss battle that echos others, most people complain "its been done".

you want people to be able to have the choice to pvp in a zone? and pve to have a choice to mission in peace. so basically what you mean is a tag system where people who want to can. or in other words shadow war...

shadow war is not the same locations, it moves, its based in the open world map, the points/objectives move, all you do is tag yourself in and bang your in. you want where pvers can see whats going on without being interupted.

the only one being selfish here is you. i sorry to say. if you get bored by that, and you still dont like shadow war. then im sorry to hear that. Trion have made their choice, why complain about what people want on the very forums of the game they want and its choices.

the main reason why pvp mmo's have died. is because mmo and pvp is not a war of skill, but whos got the bigger toys. the people who burn through tons of time earn the gear then do nothinb but hassle those who dont have the ability to defend themselves. Most gamers are casual and oftern get there back side handed to them, leave in frustration and the game dies.

Now i know Defiance is more about being a TPS then gear based mmo's like WoW, but as i said 1 trion have made there choice. (they have pointed out they have far more pvp like things in the pipeline), and 2 they obviously feel they cater to this with shadow war.

i would make 1 suggestion though, if you want true unlimited open world pvp etc... Eve online.

Sorry he regards the pvp crowd as a 'thing' if thats the case why isn't he playing blops or bf3 or ghost recon? Or if you like magic wow/smite/lol/dota... PLANETSIDE...

The few minutes I spent reading his posts I will never get back... I'm not happy about it, expect a invoice.