What is up with the weapons trion.

I must admit i was very defensive of this game and how its cool that you can compete with high level guys but I have lost intrest in the loot. I used to love old rpgs when collecting an item and the stats were a few points higher would mean a replacing your current setup. The best AR I have come across was from an episiode mission!

Its not an enjoyable experience scrolling through your inventory and everything is to similar. I picked up a purple pyro granade at the start of the game and it still has better stats 400 levels later!

The most off putting experience to date was a trade I made with a level 1000+ player and the item we swapped, my lower level had more or less equal stats.

i'm guessing this game ia all about the mods and maybe collecting them is the way to go? Overall a very fun game but at the present really feels as the progression system is next to non-exsistent. Such a shame as I love the whole collecting concept

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Originally Posted by Tango80

Tell me if you fiddled with the same gun in RL over and over for years and years would you get better with weapons of the same type?

No not really you can get the jist of what they do but you really wouldn't know unless you got familiar with it. However when you learn the in's and out of a particular gun do you learn anything else about it?

Nope so think of it like in real life you get used to a gun but after learning everything about it. It's time to get a new gun and do it all over again.

And if you wanted you can go back to that gun assuming you didn't sell or scrap it. Thats how I look at it.

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You never have owned a real gun have you?
Yes you do get better at it after years of shooting a REAL GUN. (practice makes perfect you know)
Even if you do get really good with 1 type of a REAL GUN a true gun person does not get rid of it. they just buy another and enjoy shooting both.

Now for the last big hole in your argument, THIS IS NOT REAL LIFE! It is a game, and as a game it should entertain and give a sense of accomplishment and satisfaction when you do find an "epic" quality weapon and not be the same thing as it's same level counterpart.

THAT is what this thread is really about. just having a small stat boost to the reload time or fire rate would help players feel they really found a better weapon that feeling "oh look i found a orange colored named weapon... now i have all the different colored guns of that type... yay?)

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Originally Posted by Snugglebuns

Wow, you can see that after the game has only been out for a week and none of the content additions are released? I'll see you when the game is still going strong after 6 months.

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I really hope so dude...I really do hope! im not even gona buy any DLC untill the first one is released so that way ill know if its worth it or not. Im praying that it will be worth it tho

It might help if side missions at ego 500 didn't still give out level 1 mods. Very slowly starting to see 2, and 3s..but its mostly still Ones. And its annoying.

Also, drop rates on Infectors, BMGs and shottys need to be toned down. Every co-op run it seems I pick up at least three of each. and next, the faction merchants need a serious upgrade. Rep 50 assault rifle does..40 damage. Really?? I can only hope they get better at higher rep, but I doubt it.

Im still running around with a lvl 89 Shotgun, And I am Level 412 I believe?

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Originally Posted by Rodney

You never have owned a real gun have you?
Yes you do get better at it after years of shooting a REAL GUN. (practice makes perfect you know)
Even if you do get really good with 1 type of a REAL GUN a true gun person does not get rid of it. they just buy another and enjoy shooting both.

Now for the last big hole in your argument, THIS IS NOT REAL LIFE! It is a game, and as a game it should entertain and give a sense of accomplishment and satisfaction when you do find an "epic" quality weapon and not be the same thing as it's same level counterpart.

THAT is what this thread is really about. just having a small stat boost to the reload time or fire rate would help players feel they really found a better weapon that feeling "oh look i found a orange colored named weapon... now i have all the different colored guns of that type... yay?)

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Yes i do have a Real guns and yes i know how to use them. But you are missing my point. First off Using, Cleaning and handling One gun compared to another gun are completely different in how both guns handle.

When you use a 1906 Springfield vs a Mosin Nagant the handling characteristics are different. Similar but not really the same. And you failed to realize that is what i have posted.

When you get familiar with a gun you know the in's and out of that particular gun that however doesn't make you a savant on another gun. You know how to use it but that doesn't make you a marksman with it. Unlike your other gun which you have time and practice invested into it. The Experience system is there to show you that as much as you want to learn the skill for a particular weapon type you aren't going to learn anything more from the same weapon you have been using switch to a weapon of a similar type.

So don't try to tell me what it is like. I own quite a few guns each and every gun has it quirks and small subtleties. Handling each gun is different Similar but not the same. Same as in the game the guns are similar but not really the same.

Oh and let me Highlight part of my post that you didn't comprehend correctly.

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Originally Posted by Tango80

Tell me if you fiddled with the same gun in RL over and over for years and years would you get better with weapons of the same type?

No not really you can get the jist of what they do but you really wouldn't know unless you got familiar with it. However when you learn the in's and out of a particular gun do you learn anything else about it?

Nope so think of it like in real life you get used to a gun but after learning everything about it. It's time to get a new gun and do it all over again.

And if you wanted you can go back to that gun assuming you didn't sell or scrap it. Thats how I look at it.

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Same gun yes. Guns of a similar type not so much.

Unfortunately personal accomplishment is critical for these types of games. You remove that from the equation, and what you have is a single player game. That like most single player games quickly runs its coarse. Some might argue that this game is really a multiplayer game, and that it will have the longevity of a Call of Duty, or a Halo title, but that simply isn't the case. Those games are technically superior shooters. In other words they take a whole lot more skill to play, and as such the learning curve is much longer.

You can forget about the bargain bin when it comes to this title. This game is going to be barren in as little as a few months. As far as this genre is concerned this game doesn't have enough story driven content. The leveling is painfully soft, and the combat mechanics have a really short learning curve. You really aren't going to get that much better at playing this game.

What we have is a unfair balancing system that makes the effort unrewarding, and that is a serious problem. I know some want to dismiss this gripe. As this isn't the game for certain types of people, but guess what this gripe is pertinent to most of the players in the game. They want the real sense of accomplishment that comes from putting in the effort. If they don't find that soon. They will actually leave, and we are talking about most of the player base.

So you can blindly defend this developer all you want, but things must simply change. Otherwise you aren't going to find any other players to play the game with in a couple months time. A few extra story missions every week isn't going to hold this thing together. This game needs a real loot end game.

I guess what the people who are upset with the way weapons are just want an increase in base stats, which is understandable. I agree, it could use a tweak.

But, the fact remains no one is at or even remotely near the level cap yet. Maybe we should wait and see what level 5000 weapons hold in store before you all throw a fit over level 1-1,000 weapons?

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Originally Posted by Orge Lambart

lol as if I was losing an argument, I'm still waiting for you to prove to me that high level weapons are better in any way than lower level weapons... you can't do that... Trolling, not trolling, it doesn't matter because you didn't win anything. Unless you call making confusing statements as winning your argument. Just remember it wasn't me who said you can have more than 4 mod slots on a weapon... that was all you buddy.


Also I didn't troll 3 people, it was only 2, Snuggle and Tango are the same person...

Like I said, the law of diminishing returns, if you really think this game will survive the test of time with zero variance you are just fooling yourself. Once the novelty of newness wears off, you are left with an MMO that is void of stuff to do, has the same enemies to fight over and over again, unfun challenges, and a very broken PVP set up.

I mean in all honesty, what is their to keep a player coming back once he beats the main quest. It's not like you can roll an alt, you do the same stuff on the alternate character, it's not even like you can find new and exciting weapons, because they are all the same.... lol.

OH look another major arkfall.... I wonder what this one is... oh wait, it's the same one I've done 30 times already.

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Oh and you. You really are a terrible troll. You are indeed entertaining, but annoying. Petty insults to help your case is getting you no where. If you could read and comprehend what's in front of you and not twist the words of others to make you seem valid, the. You migh have a chance. Just stop lmao.

If someone could post a picture of a low level (1-300) epic or blue so I can find a high level equivalent and present that to this troll so he doesn't have to strain himself any further, it would be much appreciated.